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Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
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RE: Anyone regret not joining the military or other masculine occupations?
(08-08-2019 12:32 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  As an ex-military guy, you run into this from time to time. The shoulda/coulda crowd with regards to joining. Lots of "I was gonna/could have been be a ranger/SEAL/spec ops" folks out there.

If your options are bleak and you can do a relatively fun/fulfilling job with a good group of people, the military can be an amazing experience where you could see yourself doing 20 years and getting the pension. When it's good, it's REALLY good. Everything just gels and it's a really great feeling. On the other hand, if you had options, signed up, and ended up in a shit job with mostly shit people, you will feel like you're in a hellish prison for years on end.

In short, when it works, it's a good experience. When it doesn't, it's a living nightmare. Whatever ends up happening, you will build some character and have some interesting stories. That and your tolerance for BS will be both higher and lower if you know what I mean. Higher when necessary; lower when not. Good skill set to have all around for both professional and personal reasons.

The biggest reason to not join today in my opinion would be due to how the military really pumps and dumps its people medically and tries to deny responsibility for any negligence. Go look up "burn pits" and "military base water contamination" to see what I mean. You shouldn't sign your life away to an organization that has a multi-decade record of treating its people so badly.

Furthermore, I think A LOT of people underestimate the burden of being US government property for years and the possible consequences that can lead to:

1. You can't quit your job.

2. You might be force into a job you don't like for years on end.

3. You can't find a new boss.

4. You can't move to a place you like.

5. You can't get promoted faster based on merit (mostly).

6. You are on the clock 24/7/365.

7. There is no overtime. You can be forced to work 90 hours/week. Every week.

8. The politicians are constantly trying to find ways to screw you out of your benefits and create new ways for you to get killed; the military industrial complex needs its profits.

9. You could get kicked out/RIF'ed before your 20 through no fault of your own and get virtually nothing for over a decade of service.

10. You must accept being injected with dubious vaccines by dubious quality military doctors. You don't get to decide what goes into your body.

11. You will always have a boss over you that could legally force you to do something stupid that could get you killed or seriously injured. If you refuse, you will be placed in handcuffs.

12. If you live on-base, your higher ranking co-workers can pretty much raid your house at anytime for "inspections."

13. Now, you have to deal with women in combat roles, out and proud faggots, and an ultra PC environment in most areas of the military. Most military "leadership" are actually managers; not leaders. Big difference. Remember, they can get you killed. That or the weak ass wanna-be Captain Marvel female who can't carry the ammo backpack will get you killed instead.

If you join the USA military in 2019, you're really rolling the dice. I would do extensive homework about the branch and specific job you're going into before signing the dotted line. Broadly speaking, I wouldn't do it personally since there are plenty of other ways to earn your Man Card and serve your country outside the military.

This basically nails it.

I joined the reserves early in university, and thought long and hard about going to Royal Military College (Like Canada's west point), as a pilot, but ultimately, 4 years of school, 2-4 years of training, and another 7 years service commitment at the time was simply too much dedication. Reserves was sort of a compromise I guess.

Pluses were camaraderie, discipline, and the people you met, a bit of money, and a bit of travel, although I'm sure it's only a fraction of what the Reg force guys experienced.

I still have tons of friends in the forces, and some did some amazing things. A couple F-18 pilots, A couple cargo pilots who managed to hit every continent after only a few years, one guy who went to test pilot school and made it to the last round of astronaut selection here a couple years ago, and many more others with far more pedestrian jobs making machine parts or sitting around an airfield firehouse waiting for planes to crash, spending too much time away from home, making not enough money dealing with bad bosses. Even a few chopper pilots who complain about bad gear and bad training who've never really left their home province. BK is right when they say the majority of people are managers, not leaders, this is a giant arm of the gov't, and bureaucracy/cover your ass/fear of change or decisions runs just as deep. But not only are they managers, many are crappy managers. As many people I know with truly enviable lots, I know more who are counting down to their 20 years when they can leave with partial pension and put it behind them. My regret to not going that route leans exactly as BK says since I assume I would have been in the former bunch, but thankfully even my pragmatism at 17 recognized the long odds, so just went to a regular school for engineering.

Finally, unforeseeable, and tempering any regret I had, the military of almost 20 years ago was a completely different beast than today. I did an exchange to Oz in early 2000s, and was impressed by both the military and general culture there. Men's men doing fun things. Seeing how giant a fire we could make in the desert from old super dry creosote soaked railway ties. Almost didn't believe the stories here in the last few years about how it changed in 15 short years, until I eventually went back and saw for myself. The fun got quartered, while rules, SJWism, and prices quadrupled. I still get to bases probably once a year to visit friends, and after a few border line scandals from inappropriate comments and actions in the forces, and pressure from our feminist PM, basically every cork board is plastered with things about diversity and stopping rampant assault. People are afraid to even swear now it seems, and I can't imagine that being helpful for esprit-de-corps.

Now, at the same time I did end up doing a masculine job as an oil engineer. Working with 90% guys, and even the girls were good. BSing non stop. If you sucked at your job you would be ridiculed till you quit or shaped up, if you didn't suck you would still be ridiculed, but in a different, friendlier way, generally referencing your race, height, weight, sexuality, or size of your phallus. Similar to the military, there's a hundred ways to die, and your coworkers can literally have your life in their hands, so you want people around you that you can trust. Hours were long, conditions were garbage, often operating in some god forsaken corner of some third world country, many friends who operated in active war zones. First world countries weren't much better. Money was amazing, pushed myself hard, travelled a ton, and met some of my best friends ever, as people who've both had to work 3 days straight in -40 or pouring rain up to your knees in mud forge a certain level of mutual respect and camaraderie. Certainly not the same level as getting shot at while your buddies risk their life for yours though.

Like the military however it's a young man's game, as these jobs are all characterized by work above all else, long hours, discomfort, generally not so nice places or living conditions, but also truly once in a life time opportunities. Between work trips and time off, I doubt I know someone who's been to even half the countries I have. I filled my last passport in 2 years. However, once you've seized those opportunities, you start to yearn for a bit nicer quality of life, and priorities change, so unfortunately, I think for many it's a sort of a 'use it or lose it' expiring around your mid twenties. Yes you can do these things at 35, but far more difficult to accept that last minute job or deployment in the middle east for somewhere between 1-6 months leaving tomorrow when you have kids that need looking after back home.
08-25-2019 09:24 PM
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