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(08-20-2019 08:51 AM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  Really this is on the Brits. In the 1980s they should have said "sorry, we signed the 99-year lease with the Qing Dynasty, not the PRC. However, because we are magnanimous, we will allow the people of HK to decide their fate--a referendum with the options of remaining a British colony, joining China, or full independence, using either ranked choice or a runoff--we will respect the outcome if Beijing pledges to do the same."

This is very accurate.
Legally speaking, isn't Taiwan (which officially calls itself "the republic of China") the legitimate legal successor to the Qing Dynasty ?

Also, the 99 year lease clause made in 1898 only applied to the "new territories" (the north of Hong Kong and Lantau island) while Hong Kong island and Kowloon were to remain British "forever" as per treaties in 1842 and 1860.

Also, in British laws, property leases are renewed all the time, as long as you pay again.


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I think Margaret Thatcher simply sold out big time to Deng Xiaoping. It was Thatcher's signature style in her 11 years in power to privatize and sell off as many state assets as possible, to pay off old debts and stimulate the economy. She sold off state railways, post offices, bus services, water/gas/electric services, shipbuilding, steelworks, the national airline, council houses, government buildings....anything and everything she possibly could. The 1980s in the UK was like a huge neverending state property fire sale. It's likely the UK simply got a shit ton of money from China secretly to simply let Hong Kong go.


If Argentina had done the same and simply offered the UK enough money (instead of invading the Falkland islands in 1982) I bet Thatcher would have let those islands go as well without a 2nd thought...but the Argentines were (and still are) short of any serious cash.


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