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Does every man deserve a woman/wife and children of his own?
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Does every man deserve a woman/wife and children of his own?
This seems to be an assumption around here due to it being a norm in Patriarchal societies.Not trying to be particular divisive but I thought it would be good for me to get some thoughts out. Probs not going to change society any time so best not to take this too personally.

I do think Hypergamy is quite healthy. Why should a low-quality male desire to have as many children as a higher-quality one? If you care about the well-being of the group shouldnt you should be happy for a higher quality male to have more children than you.

In the past this system may have been beneficial for the march of civilization. But civilization is not marching anywhere now, we have arrived into abundance and all that is left now is for the gene pool to be improved by hypergamy and producing better quality offspring.

This expectation coming from Patriarchy is causing more and more problems in the modern world.

When sons are born there is an expectation he will go into the world and make money and become successful within the system. This should help him get a wife and have children. If he doesnt get a wife and children he might feel a failure, and more so the people around him will think him a failure. Parents want their son to marry and have a wife to maintain social status. Because men are indoctrinated in this type of individualism and idea of ownership of women and wealth, we see serious thirst and entitlement from the degenerate and broken men. It is a really bad thing when low-quality broken men feel the pressure to 'have' some wealth or women. Their lack of intelligence and morality means they often go too hard, fast and take too many risks to get that wealth or women.

Low-qualty men are having a negative impact on society, and they are no longer useful as farmhands or soldiers, so they will likely just get used and abused by the system. Ultimately, they are driven by ego, insecurity and selfishness, so I would be happy to see them weeded out, the sooner the better. I am not a Christian so I dont believe in salvation. In my opinion hungry, selfish, immoral men who dont care about the negative impact they have on others but only care about their own gratification have little value for the group. A good example is poster Rob Banks. This guy is not concerned at all about the effect he had on a women, no sense of responsibility, guilt or anything, just wanted to 'have' a woman, a virgin too, and now wants another one, people like that cause lots of problems in society.

Hypergamy is perfectly healthy. The top guys should have the most children, the middle guys an average number, and the lowest little or nothing. There is no higher goal for humanity than to improve the gene pool.

This idea that a man can 'own' a woman is now outdated. Men who understand love and relationships also understand that marriage and love are very different, and it can be quite miserable living with one woman in a nuclear family away from friends and loved ones. Even moreso for a woman to be stuck to a man for life, who she realizes is lacking in morality and masculinity, as the vast majority of men born of Patriarchy are.

Public 'ownership' of women by being a good, provider husband is problematic because now for sure many men will not get that. The public, permanent nature of real Patriarchal Monogamy means many men will feel like losers, many living alone in old age, without female company or children around them.

I know my parents and those of my peers would saying stuff like "X is married, so is Y, why arent you yet". Society puts pressure on men, which pushes men too hard, and when failure occurs, as it inevitably will nowadays, it is all the more painful.

I havent worked a serious job for 5 years when I worked in the tech department of a large Bank in London. I only started living when I stopped working. The last 5 years of my life have been great. For me to maintain my low-stress working life (I currently make a little money from temp work and doing some coding which I hope to monetize) I need reponsilbilities removed from me. I dont want to be responsible for a wife and a child financially. We live in abundance, they will have enough anyway, so why put myself in that place. Work a crap job hoping the woman and government will make it up to me, get stressed about financial stuff, and then just lose it all anyway. So many men are like "This is mine and thats yours". I put myself above this type of individualism, because I am the best. I am already the best guy so I have no need for competition to prove anything.

"I work so hard at my job, got into debt to try and impress people, get stressed with all the bills etc so this women better love me alot and make up for it". Nah bro, a woman is only going to love you when you have positive energy. Positive energy is returned with positive energy. You cant buy positive energy with money.

"I worked so hard, this woman is mine and this house is mine, it says so right their on the deeds, this belongs to me cos I slaved away for years for this achievement, I hope the house rises in value so I can feel richer." In the former it's just your turn, bro, and in the latter the house is yours as long as you pay the taxes on it, which will go to the single moms who dont work anyway. Sucks I knw.

Theres nothing inherently noble about work, certainly in modern society. Capitalism is degenerate, how many ways can a spiritual man make money in the west and keep his morality in tact. Work for a financial institution and you are just propagating usury. Work for consumer products company and you are just trying to get people to buy shit they dont need. All the people who contact me trying to sell me stuff, how many are actually adding value to my life, even the net affect of marketing and advertising is negative even when you learn about some good product. So some guy works a job just trying to get other people to buy more stuff they dont need. What's so noble about that, why should he deserve to 'own' a woman. More importantly, even women can do those jobs, so is this even a man, if he spends most of his waking time doing the same things as women, surrounded by them.

I like the idea of a non-Patriarchal society. If we want women to have more children earlier we need to make it easier for them. Ultimately, it may become socially acceptable, even ideal, to have children out of wedlock.

Father son relationships are always strained and intense. Maybe men can raise the children of their sisters as their own, a relationship a bit more distant and relaxed than a typical father-son one. Therefore, every man might have the company of children at home and be part of a family. Higher quality men will also have children of their own, and can negotiate time with them, by maintaining a positive relationship with the mother. I think this was the setup in the video I posted about the chinese Matriarchy.

More importanly, relationships should be private. There is no need to tell the world you have a gf/bf or husband/wife. Public displays of affection are weird, modern and not normal. Often times is causes jealousy and other negative emotions in people. Many men also want to show-off to other men about what they have, and often exaggerate, fuelling the sense of insecurity, unhappiness, and urgency in other men. This just creates a society of harsh, meaningless and constant low-level competition and superficial one-upmanship at the bottom level.

Low quality men should not feel that are losers, and higher quality men with greater access to women shouldnt rub their faces in it. But in a modern, competitive, patriarchal society this is exactly what will happen. Add Polygamy to it and it will be awful for those low-status guys.

Patriarchy rewarded obedient working men who could follow directions but may not have had an internal moral compass. Inner Game is important now to attract women, and Inner Game is related to Internal Morality. Men who dont have that compass, who are poor at creating an emotional connection with women will and should lose in the reproduction game. Internal Morality is the most masculine thing and should be respected by men, not outward wealth or political power within a false or broken system.

As I high-quality male, I see nothing worse in the world than the great number of low-morality, entitled, high-energy ADHD type guys who cant chill out and often cause problems.

TLDR: Patriarchy resulted in a society with unnaturally low quality men (and women) and now it may be better to move into a more eugenic set up which is also less stressful and competitive.
(This post was last modified: 01-28-2020 12:02 PM by mr_ks.)
01-28-2020 11:59 AM
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