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RE: Ayn Rand Had it Right
My take on Ayn Rand - everyone should read some of her books, they should be an input into any thinking person's frame of reference, but that's not saying they should be treated as scripture.

There are some things you need in your frame of reference about Rand. Firstly, be sure you understand what the basic meaning of "Objectivism" is ... belief in objective reality. That means not using various forms of spiritualism as a basis for your philosophy or politics. If you are deeply religious and/or think that religion is key to keeping society together in a good way, there is a conflict. If you believe in building on a basis of objective reality, she's weighing in on the right side, mostly.

(04-06-2013 02:00 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Her personal history ( I read her biography) affected her hatred of any type of socialism, in my opinion to an excessive degree. While living in Russia at the time of the Revolution she saw the brutal Bolsheviks crush the nicer guys ( forget what they were called) who were going to rule Russia after the Revolution.

^this
And, despite her reputation as a philosopher for being brutally logical and factual, as a fiction writer she considered herself a romantic idealist. This means that her novels (as opposed to non-fiction philosophical writing) are not INTENDED to be realistic - they are intended to be fanciful imaginings of ideal heroes and ideal outcomes. She wasn't trying to tell you that if you approach life with John Galt's attitudes that you will have great success. Don't buy into the memes that she was "naive" and misleading people ... you need to understand the difference between an idealistic fantasy and a prescription for everyday life.
In fact, as some have alluded above, the villains (individually and in groups) in her novels tend to be the most realistic parts. She was describing real problems and realistic villains and fantasies about how unrealistically ideal men might overcome them. It's almost a superhero story. If you are going to attack it fairly, attack it on the basis of putting forth the wrong ideals.
09-28-2016 10:45 AM
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Ayn Rand Had it Right - Barron - 04-05-2013, 12:57 AM
RE: Ayn Rand Had it Right - megatron - 04-05-2013, 01:04 AM
RE: Ayn Rand Had it Right - iknowexactly - 04-05-2013, 08:51 PM
RE: Ayn Rand Had it Right - Duke Castile - 04-06-2013, 01:24 AM
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