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(07-03-2015 06:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I'm on Deuteronomy right now, I took a long pause when reading 23:20:

Quote:Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

So God wanted Jews to be central bankers and control the financial system of many nations?

Before that, there are many references to allowing the Jews to wipe out their enemies by killing children and taking wives and spoils for themselves.

I am to believe Moses, a Jew, when he said that God wanted the Jews to dominate other peoples because they were held in favor? Isn't that a bit self serving? And both Christianity and Islam accepts the God of Abraham as the one true God, meaning that the Old Testament is fact to them.

To really grasp the meaning of the Bible it helps to have a commentary handy as well, otherwise it's easy to get confused or get the wrong idea. Using the KJV makes it a bit harder too, since it's written in "ye Olde English" and is such a literal translation of languages that lack punctuation and have several meanings for each word with multiple nuances. Context is key!

It might be a bit of a stretch to say that God wanted Israel to dominate other nations. In OT times God was building up the nation of Israel to be a mighty and holy nation. It's possible that usury was common practice among all nations in these times, if so then lending without interest to your friends then wouldn't be much different to lending your buddy a few interest-free dollars now. You want to help your buddy get ahead, after all.

Even with lending at interest that doesn't really equate to a proper banking system as we know it now - the Bible doesn't mention the fractional reserve system (which really is a licence to print money). That system didn't come along until the Knights Templar created it according to the sources I've read.

It is a common misconception that Christianity, Islam and Judaism all worship the same God. They don't. Islam and even Judaism don't actually take the OT as fact if you really drill into the meanings of the words.

Since Islam and Judaism both deny the divinity of Jesus, they cannot claim to be worshippers of the Father -
"No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." 1 Jn 2:23.

Islam denies the divinity of Christ, and that he is the Son of God:
"The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, is only a messenger from God and a word from Him (“Be” and it is), which He sent to Mary, and a soul from Him.[3] So, believe in God and His messengers, and do not say, “Three.” Stop, it is better for you. Indeed, God is one; exalted is He above having a son." Quran 4:171-172.

Adherents of Judaism/Talmudism frequently quote Deuteronomy 6:4 in an attempt to refute the divinity of Christ:
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

But to claim that as evidence against Jesus' divinity is either being ignorant or disingenuous. The word used for "one" is the Hebrew "echad" meaning "unified", rather than the singular "yachid" - see http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-onen...-echad.htm , this link explains it better than I can.

This helps us make sense of what the Bible says about the God of Moses ("Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me[John 5:45-46]) and Abraham (“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was glad,”[John 8:56-58], "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what Abraham did."[John 8:39]).

Since I don't wish to sidetrack this thread too much, I'll finish by saying that I think it is worthwhile studying exactly how the word "Jew" came about and came to be associated with what we call Judaism too much, and the differences between Dispensationalism, Supersessionism/Replacement theology, Dual covenant theology and Reformed Covenant theology.
07-04-2015 04:26 AM
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