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RE: The Old Testament thread
Ambiticus,

It was never really my intention to get into a long drawn-out debate on this subject, as an ex-Christian reading the Bible, I just call a spade a spade.

First of all, it is an absurd fallacy that the biblical god Yahweh is an embodiment of goodness and morality. His own scriptures show him to be a ruthless tyrant who orders genocides against non-Hebrew peoples, lootings of foreign wealth and ritual sacrifice of living creatures. The wise American Deist Thomas Paine in his famous book 'The Age of Reason' famously expressed that belief in a cruel god makes for a cruel person. I see today that Christians have no qualms about the many cruel and sadistic acts of barbarity perpetrated by their warlike god throughout the Bible and therefore expose the perversity of their own minds as they value blind faith over reason and innate morality.

Please don't come with the myth of so-called biblical 'moral absolutism'. That has always been a fallacy. The biblical religion is really a clear example of moral relativism. Throughout the scriptures we see that it is always one rule for Yahweh's chosen followers and another rule for everyone else. A departure from Christian "values" was never the cause for the evident moral decline. A departure from common sense and reason was!

I see that you wish to call me a troll simply because I don't agree with your religion. I understand that Christians prefer to resort to personal attacks and deflectory techniques whenever somebody points out the barbarity of their religion's teachings or puts into question the absurdities of their worldview. This is quite understandable given that they have an emotional investment in what they are defending. Christians are forced to shy away from reasonable debate about subjects pertaining to the morality and the authenticity of their own religion.

I am not confusing Christianity with any other religion. Nice deflectory technique buddy! The Old Testament religion, the foundation of the abrahamic worldview and contextual backdrop of the Christian offshoot, was always a religion centered around the bloody sacrifice of living animals through ritual slayings and holocausts for the atonement of the follower's transgressions of the Mosaic Law and also for the appeasement of the violent and bloodthirsty local deity Yahweh. In ancient Judaism, there were three main types of sacrifices: The holocaust, a daily fully burnt animal offering to Yahweh in order to show him devotion and appreciation; the Peace Offering, a bloody sacrifice in order to thank Yahweh for his "mercy" towards his Chosen People; and the Atonement Offering, a brutal immolation of a living creature over the jehovitic altar in order to ask for the forgiveness of so-called sins and transgressions. Judaism was always a cult of barbaric bloodshed and sacrifice.

Christianity gets even more bizzare. The whole core doctrine of the Christian sect is that Jesus, the purported son of Yahweh, was sacrificed on the cross as a live offering to Yahweh for the atonement and exoneration of the sins of Christians! It is a cult of sacrifice founded on the sacrificial offering of a sentient being in exchange for Yahweh's favor and the forgiveness of one's errors! It doesn't get any more blatant, does it? Religions based on blood sacrifice and the destruction of life are never paragons of morality, but rather insane teachings of perversion and degeneracy.

The so-called New Covenant can be likened to a form of spiritual usury. The religious elite, the Christian myth-makers, first attempt to convince us that we have a problem (Original Sin) and that we need help (forgiveness and salvation). Then they offer a solution: acceptance of the doctrine of Jesus's sacrifice for man's supposed sins and obedience to such institution. They convince us that we are somehow indebted to this so-called savior. Then the new converts slavishly follow them and hand over their money and possessions in the form of tything. Much of organized religion has always been a business.

According to the Bible, Yahweh is a child killer and a psychopathic genocidal 'man of war'.

As a modern person, I don't attempt to follow either the "Old Conenant" or the "New Covenant". They are both absurd and deeply immoral as insightful philosophers like Nietzsche and Ayn Rand have pointed out. But I suppose they are just cut-above-the-rest trolls too, aren't they? Deism is a much better option than outrageous barbaric Abrahamism or godless nihilistic materialism.

As for a crazy society of blind and deluded folks, I was referring to people like you, those who follow the absurd sacrificial cult of biblical religion while portaying themselves as moral and enlightened. I don't need some primitive book to reach the conclusion that society has gone mad and has been mad for hundreds of years. In fact, Judeo-Christianity has arguably brought about a lot more madness than anything else.

The evidence offered here is clear. But as I suggested to Roosh, for more information you can read Tony Malone's great work on the matter. Search for 'Saint Oxen Books'. That said, can you offer any evidence for the veracity of the Bible other than "the Bible itself says that it's the word of god"?

On topic, the Jews have always had a reputation for being usurers, in ancient times and today. They were expelled from many European lands hundreds of times. What has always compelled the Jews to engage in usury and financial deception? The obvious answer is that they are motivated by their own scriptures which not only permit this crime but also encourage and even order it. Turn a blind eye if you want, but the truth will always be the truth.

The Sumerian cuneiform texts are more ancient than even the oldest books of the Bible by not only centuries but millennia. The Sumerian culture is the most ancient known civilization in the region and predates the Hebrew culture by an enormous timespan. It is widely acknowledged that the Sumerian mythological accounts influenced the later cultures and religions of the region including the Hebrew one. Great sumerologian Samuel Noah Kramer and many others of his generation have written several highly respected scholarly books on the matter. Attempting to deny this fact and suggest otherwise only shows your ignorance with regards to history and mythology. But I am sure that you are only capable of arguing from an emotional and dogmatic mindset as most religious Christians do, afterall fideistic religions such as Christianity and Islam rely on axiomatic dogma as opposed to research and inquiry.

The previous guy had no argument. He could only compare me to the New Age SJW Acharya S and accuse me of being a troll just because I don't accept his religion!

By leaving Evangelical Christianity some years ago, I regained my sanity and rediscovered a deep sense of spiritual wellbeing. I took the Red Pill for religion so to speak.

Satyameva Jayate!
07-04-2015 08:18 AM
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RE: The Old Testament thread - Ambicatus - 07-04-2015, 06:45 AM
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RE: The Old Testament thread - Lumbre - 07-04-2015, 11:48 AM
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