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(07-03-2015 07:49 PM)Lumbre Wrote:  
(07-03-2015 06:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I'm on Deuteronomy right now, I took a long pause when reading 23:20:

Quote:Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

So God wanted Jews to be central bankers and control the financial system of many nations?

Before that, there are many references to allowing the Jews to wipe out their enemies by killing children and taking wives and spoils for themselves.

I am to believe Moses, a Jew, when he said that God wanted the Jews to dominate other peoples because they were held in favor? Isn't that a bit self serving? And both Christianity and Islam accepts the God of Abraham as the one true God, meaning that the Old Testament is fact to them.


Also take a look at this parallel verse from the same Hebrew law book:

"For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee." (Deuteronomy 15:6)


Most people are in a state of slumber and fail to see the true reality. The very uncomfortable and sickening truth is that the Hebrew Bible, the so-called "Old Testament" which lies at the foundation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, is actually nothing more than an ideological blueprint for the Jewish takeover of Gentile nations through covert infiltration as well as a forged religious history for the justification of themselves as an entitled "Chosen People". The true nature of Zionism, a worldly philosophy intrinsically linked to this absurd biblical concept of Jewish entitlement, is none other than the surrepticious financial and political domination of the entire world by an elect Jewish elite in accordance to the strategy layed out in the biblical blueprint. The Old Testament, whose secret doctrine is only for the Jews, is the "master program".

Wrong. The OT's blessings were extended to anyone who accepts Christ. It is today's Talmudic Jews who believe only the Jews have standing with God.

The word "Jew" is hebrew for "chosen," and what you fail to realize is that the Jews stopped being chosen after they rejected Christ Jesus.

Therefore, the lessons of usury in the OT are there for anyone who accepts Christ to use, but, since Christ instructs us that he wants the light of Truth to be spread and not accumulation of power, mercy and not judgement or sacrifice, it follows that rather than use the privileged position as a Christian to enslave others Christians should instead convert them.

And of course, since it is illegal for a chosen (i.e. anyone who accepts Christ) to lend to someone else who is chosen, it follows that usury would be banned everywhere Christ is accepted.

Quote:The Bible orders the Zionist insiders, today's powerful globalist bankers, to conquer whole nations through usurious debt. Usury is the fundamental modus operandi. They form their cartels, they loan large quantities of money out to foreign governments with high interest, they make them crumble under the strains of debt and then they covertly take control of those devastated nations. As evidenced in the Old Testament, this is the will of their warlike "god", already shown to be a xenophobic and psychopathic butcher in his own "holy" book. The same Jewish attitude, anti-Gentile rhetoric and underhanded strategies are elaborated even further in the later talmudic texts.

You are confused. Again, the OT's instructions to give special privileges to the chosen (aka the word "Jew" which is hebrew for chosen) were extended to all peoples after Christ came into being. So had Christ never existed then what you say would be true.

Also, yes the Talmud is disgusting but it is nothing more than heresy. Written by people in denial, they still stubbornly call themselves Jews despite the fact they lost their chosen status after rejecting the Son of God. The true Jews today are those who follow the word of God's Son.

Quote:Then there are the "prophetic" and "apocalyptic" books of the Hebrew Bible, the infamous Ketuvim, which further outline the perverse Jewish fantasy or cunning plan of world domination through infiltration and war. The prophecized Jewish messianic age is really the Zionist ideal of a worldwide Jew-run communist slave state headed by the "New Jerusalem" in which productive Gentiles are exploited and robbed of their wealth whose property right is naturally handed over to the Jewish nation. When you read those books with a critical eye, you will become aware of the details. The would-be prophecy books say that the Jews will be scattered among the (Gentile) nations, a diaspora necessary in order for them to take financial control over them and continue their parasitic conspiracy. The final outcome is predicted to be a post-Armaggedon one-world theocracy wherein the people of Yahweh - the Jews, not the Christians - possess all the land, make all the laws and help themselves to all the wealth of the nations. It is no surprise that International Jewry has so pushed Marxist ideologies and a shift towards socialistic forms of government.

Wrong again. The people of Yahweh are those who accept His Son. This clearly seen by the fact that Christians are allowed to prosper by God while those who call themselves Jews are persecuted and reduced in number as continuous punishment from God. Modern "Jews" are extremely stubborn people who are in denial about their punishments from God.

For example, instead of realizing the old Israel was destroyed because they failed to obey God and accept Jesus, Talmudic Jews instead have doubled-down and proclaimed that Israel was destroyed BECAUSE of Jesus and that Jesus was the worst heretic of all time.

Quote:I am an ex-Christian. I woke up to the deception of abrahamic religion years ago. If Old Testament Judaism is the "master program", then New Testament Christianity is clearly the "slave program". Judaism is a twisted religion that teaches Jewish supremacism, delusional entitlement, anti-Gentile genocide, warmongering, usury and global domination. Conversely, Christianity is a Gentile-oriented offshoot that idealizes meakness and submission, promotes blind pacifism in the face of oppression and tyranny, denies the acquisition of wealth on Earth, rejects earthly pleasure and eudaimonia, preaches unconditional love even for those who abuse us and wish to conquer us, and teaches a mindset of self-victimhood. Therefore, Christianity is a blueprint of how to be a good docile slave. NT Christianity was always a sickly and perverse ideology that went thoroughly against the fundamental virtues of the original Pagan worldview.

This is the White Nationalist atheist worldview. I have read these views already on my own and have successfully dissected them. Although tempting to follow, it is easily contradicted by the most cursory readings of the NT text.

Quote:Judaism is a twisted religion that teaches Jewish supremacism, delusional entitlement, anti-Gentile genocide, warmongering, usury and global domination.

The original OT text as well as the Talmud are this way.

Quote:Conversely, Christianity is a Gentile-oriented offshoot that idealizes meakness and submission, promotes blind pacifism in the face of oppression and tyranny, denies the acquisition of wealth on Earth, rejects earthly pleasure and eudaimonia, preaches unconditional love even for those who abuse us and wish to conquer us, and teaches a mindset of self-victimhood.

And this is where the argument falls apart. Christianity gets a bad rap for being too weak in White Nationalist circles, but I blame Protestantism for giving White Nationalists such absurd ideas of Christianity. Notice, White Nationalism has always come out of Protestant nations, who were rebelling from the Catholics.

The Russians, for example, have never characterized Christianity in the way you describe above because they have been Orthodox, yet Russians have always been nationalistic. Indeed no Orthodox nation has ever become home to the atheist White Nationalists (Orthodox nations are able to stay strongly nationalistic without resorting to race as a primary determinant).

To illustrate why Orthodox have never interpreted the Bible how you have described above I will go through it line by line, as someone who has been educated in the Orthodox tradition.

Quote:Christianity is a Gentile-oriented offshoot that idealizes meekness and submission

No. This is widely misunderstood. The line, "the meek shall inherit the Earth," which comes from the sermon on the mount, does not mean Christ wants his followers to be weak. Christ is making a prediction, and not a prescription. Christ is saying that those who are weak but righteous, will someday be the ones who become strong and powerful. Christ's message is those who follow the Truth, despite persecution and hatred from others, will in the end be the ones who rule the earth.

We know from the parable of the talents that Christ wants us to be successful in this world, and we know from other passages that success is not to be merely measured in money.

Quote:promotes blind pacifism in the face of oppression and tyranny

Not true. Christ told everyone he came to bring a sword and not peace. Christ threw the money changers out of the temple. Christ also used vulgar language. Christ was not a pussy, anything but. Christ was a man's man who kicked ass and took names. ALL Christians have a duty to protect the innocent, which is illustrated in the Evilness of how Christ was sentenced to death unjustly and yet no one defended him.

Christians are NOT allowed to be pacifists if innocent people must be protected. Conversely, when it comes to protecting yourself, one may choose not to defend oneself (turn the other cheek) but this passage is mostly interpreted in the Orthodox tradition as not letting insults and other slights turn oneself to anger. All Christians have the right to defend themselves; but it is up to them if they wish to exercise it or not.

Quote:denies the acquisition of wealth on Earth

False again, although this is still widely promoted because of the man Christ told to sell all of his possessions (Matt 19:21). People forget, however, that those were specific instructions just for that one man, and not universal instructions to all men.

Furthermore, we know from the parable of the talents that wealth acquisition can still be okay, but it must be used righteously and not merely for bodily pleasure or further worldly gain. Hence why, "What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36, Matthew 16:26)

Quote:rejects earthly pleasure and eudaimonia

If Christ rejected earthly pleasure then why did he drink wine? Also the idea that a man sins whenever he has sex with a woman (even if she is not a virgin) is a Catholic invention. See here:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47972.html


Quote:preaches unconditional love even for those who abuse us and wish to conquer us

"Love thy enemy" does not mean you ignore the fact they are your enemy. Indeed a man can shoot another man in the face while loving and pitying him, and lamenting that he needed to kill another man in the first place.

Quote:teaches a mindset of self-victimhood

Not true at all; Jesus explicitly instructs his followers not to worry. Luke 12 and Matthew 6. A man who believes he is constantly aggrieved by himself or others isn't being a good Christian.

Quote:Yes, the "god" of Judaism, the evil and bloodthirsty El-Yahweh-Saturn, does indeed wish for the elite Jews to establish themselves as central bankers and take control of our nations' financial systems through infiltration and usurious debt. His own scriptures express that desire clearly and for everyone to see.

As shown above, this is true of Talmudic Jews but not Christians, and Christians who support Talmudic Jews are committing heresy.

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