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(07-04-2015 02:11 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  Pagan philosophy doesn't help you. You see, pagan philosophy also reached the conclusion of an unmoved mover, which logically would have the same attributes as the Christian God.

The claims of Christianity (and Judaism) being a Bronze Age belief system are simply wrong. Neither one arose until the Iron Age. Let's try to get history right.

Sorry, my mistake, I meant to write Iron Age. You're right, none of them arose until a relatively late period. The majority of the Hebrew biblical scriptures were composed during the Babylonian Captivity in the mid 1st millennium and Christianity only has a history of about 2000 years!

That means that Sumerian Paganism is more ancient than Judeo-Christianity by over two millennia, Akkadian Paganism by at least a millennium, the Indian Vedic Pagan tradition by about 6 centuries and Greek Paganism by a few centuries. Hell, even Buddhism was most likely contemporaneous with biblical Judaism and is much older than Christianity!

It is evident that ancestral Paganism came long before Judaism or Christianity and that the biblical religion is actually a mere reaction to the former.

By the way, the more ancient Sumerian mythological accounts reveal some really mind-blowing stuff. They reveal that Enki, the Sumerian serpent god of wisdom, was the true creator and father of mankind, the true benefactor and enlightener of our species bestowing upon Adapa (Adam) the knowledge of godhood in the Sanctuary of Eridu (interestingly located in a region called Edin), and the true savior of mankind from the Deluge. Enki's mythological homologues include the Greek god Prometheus and of course the Serpent of Eden in Genesis. Pretty cool, eh! No wonder they never told us about the Sumerian texts in church!

The deistic Unmoved Mover of the Pagan world is nothing like the Judeo-Christian god. He doesn't order sadistic genocides and merciless massacres on Earth. He doesn't have a Chosen People or incite bloodthirsty wars on our planet. He doesn't demand sacrifice or require any plan of salvation. The Unmoved Mover of Pagan philosophy is more like the concept of Brahman, the primordial expansive creation principle, in Hindu cosmology.

Christianity never helped me. It was a totally useless philosophy. On the other hand, Pagan practices such as Yoga and meditation have helped me a lot and the improvements in my life have been abundant.


(07-04-2015 01:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(07-04-2015 12:22 PM)Lumbre Wrote:  Samseau,

I appreciate your effort to explain to me your point of view and at one time I would have accepted most of what you have said, but after many years of study and seeking, I do not buy into the notion that there is a distinction between biblical Jews and Talmudic Jews. The Hebrew Bible is already chock full of cruel violence and sickening immorality perpetrated by Yahweh and his people and there are many jehovitic commandments by which one can easily justify Zionism even without the Talmud. My point is that the Zionist Conspiracy has always had its roots in the most basic books of the Hebrew Bible.

It was all repudiated with Christ. The Talmud is a heresy which denies Christ.

Quote:As a Red Pill man, I don't see any true value of any of the Abrahamic religions be it OT Judaism, NT Christianity or Islam. I just don't care much for dogma, faith in doctrines, Bronze Age moral systems, the concept of religious sin, guilt, authoritarianism or the like.

You don't see any value in a system that created you and the country you live in? You wouldn't even be here right now without Christ. The White race probably would have ceased to exist as well back in the 1000's without Christ.

Quote:I feel that I have always had a Pagan soul and that my stint with Christianity really made me sick and unstable for a number of years.

Pagan = do whatever you want = fag marriage, pedophilla, unlimited taxes, slut women, fat acceptence, etc.

I doubt that any of you know anything about Paganism other than what your Christian writers have told you.

Paganism, the ancient kind, had nothing to do with what you call "fag marriage", pedophilia, unlimited taxes, slut women or fat acceptance.

Paganism is a very broad term and can refer to numerous distinct pre-Christian religious and spiritual traditions.

Gay marriage wasn't common at all in most Pagan cultures. I have researched several ancient cultures and it seems that Nordic and Slavic Pagan societies were quite homophobic and also favored traditional marriage. Fertility was widely venerated and so heterosexuality was idealized. The only difference was that people wouldn't normally stone you to death for being a faggot unlike in Judaism.

Pedophilia - Catholicism and to a lesser extent Evangelical cults come to mind.

Taxation of followers was a common part of Judaism under the Mosaic Law and this practice continued into Christianity.

Pagan religions didn't glorify fat people, they promoted personal virtue, fortitude and accomplishment.
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