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(04-12-2018 05:27 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  That, and this thread, got me thinking about the utility of Christianity, even if one accepts or believes there is no God. Or, to put it more directly - let's say I'm an agnostic, but I recognize that the increasing secularization of the West is destroying it, is it okay for me to evangelize? Is it moral? Is it moral for me to feign belief to inspire others to it? I have met a few Catholic priests who I think may have been agnostic if not atheist. I have also met a number of nonbelieving women who, after they had a kid, wanted to send them to religious school and church (even though the parents didn't believe). So, what's that all about?

Consider Nassim Taleb's analysis of rationality and, on the way, religion: he believes religion is here primarily to help mankind navigate tail risks, and that the belief in itself is not as important as the purpose that belief serves.

To summarise and do a lot of violence to the full article, which bears a careful read: communities with religious beliefs tend to survive and prosper. Jewish cleanliness rituals are one example of that - plenty of people concede doing things like refusing to eat bloody meat and the like are solid heuristic approaches to hygiene. Survival is the basis of rationality, not logic, and if a belief serves a purpose ensuring survival, its content is not as important. As for belief - in science, belief is binary: either something is right, or it is wrong. In the real, complicated world, belief is an instrument to do something.

Christianity and Christian morals are strong factors in communities that have survived and prospered for a good 2,000 years or so. That's as much a reason to promote them as belief in the supernatural. The answer to the guy who amusingly points out that Mithras and/or Dionysus look a lot like Jesus is to respond: and where are the communities that worshipped them now? Did they hold onto Mithraism or Dionysian bacchals, or did they adopt the more survival-friendly forms of Christianity as they arose?

Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
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