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(02-28-2019 11:41 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I can't remember where I quoted it from but a blogger explained that the Left call us murderous fascists because they project their own murderous, fascist personas on us, while conservatives project their own benevolent personas on the Left and think that if they just use the right words then the Left can be reasoned with.

Interesting. I'd not though of it in those exact terms.

The way I see it personality traits have the conscious side that people know about and other people see; and they have an unconscious side that is suppressed. Everyone has different personality traits, but you can only kind of measure the conscious ones. It's why a lot of these shooters, like the new NZ one, are often described as nice, helping, quiet, agreeable. There's something else on the other side of that they don't know about.

If you push leftists with hate facts, ideas and things they don't like they will sometimes move out of their generally agreeable selves and into the dark unknown of their unconscious rage.







I think there are two reasons for this:

1) it threatens the integrity of the left wing organisation of society they want to live in – you're not only not holding it up, you're tearing it down
2) you are pricking the bubble of agreeableness that they want to live in. Agreeable people need to live in agreeable societies. We want to make it less agreeable, which does not suit them

Above I'm referring to full blown shift to their unconscious hate spewing out. What Leonard is referring to is the casual and relentless assault conservatives etc. have been under for a long time as bad, dangerous, horrible, PERNICIOUS!, heartless etc.

I think that's probably exactly as Leonard suggests. Conservatives are the designated acceptable area for leftists to let off a bit of this darkness they can't confront. If you want to live in an agreeable ecosystem, what better way to deal with disagreeability than dump it all in one area and blame it on someone else. Leftists won't say they are being disagreeable when they denigrate conservatives. They'll say they are sticking up for the little guy. It's why they voted for the biggest corporate recipient candidate the world has ever known.

These people are arranging themselves in a virtue hierarchy. It's important for them to see themselves and be seen as virtuous. So the worse parts of themselves come out in the designated area of conservatives, to be blamed on conservatives being morally inferior. So even if their darkness is seeping into their sub-consciousness, they can at least tell themselves they are better than the half of people who are bigots.

But it gets a bit more complicated. There is generally not just utter silence in the area of society where the things they say are the worst occur most (Islam); there is typically complete capitulation.

I think the reason for this is, when you strip down what the left and right actually care about. You will find what they really care about is dominance – to be within a structure that is suitable for them to exist in and suppresses those that threaten it. The difference between the left and the right is the method they use to assume dominance.

The left assumes dominance through using grievances to convince certain groups they are bad and need to give something up. If left unchecked will eradicate said groups. For the lower down that is more redistribution. For the higher ups its more feeling good (virtuous) about themselves. And for the leaders its dominance of the hierarchies that manage this system. This is achieved by emotional manipulation, then physical force. In the center it's more, “Be nice. This is all about the poorest and most vulnerable in society.” and the far-left “You're literally Hitler! Gulag!”

The right assumes dominance through asserting supremacy and outright taking it. It uses notions of superiority to push certain groups down. If left unchecked will eradicate said groups. For the lower down that is more redistribution. For the higher ups its more feeling good (superiority) about themselves. And for the leaders its dominance of the hierarchies that manage this system. This is achieved via psychological terror, then physical force. In the center it's more “Move over, chap. You've not cutting it.” and the far-right is “Get in the oven.”

Worth noting is that the right does not exist, by and large, in The West as an organised force. What we are told the right is, is a mix of people who just don't want to go more left and people who want to be left alone.

The left is feminine. It's negative expression is something like the 10% of women who throughout history who have had other men's children and knowingly have some cuck raise it in ignorance. It's not possible for this force to dominate and control through force, so it's learned to be sneaky and deceiving. The right is masculine. It's negative expression is something like a black eye. It can dominate and control through emotional coldness and physical strength, so it does.

Returning to the matter of why the left doesn't tend to go after Islam or other groups that are at odds with much of what they say they care most about. So the left is a system of dominance to serve certain people's needs and desires at the expense of others. Right now Islam or other groups present no credible threat to that system. The only group that posses a threat to them are the people who just don't want to go further left or be left alone – now known as the far-right.

This relates to Jordan Peterson's conundrum as to why the left is not seen as bad as the right, despite all their killing etc. One is because, as noted, the left have created the “right” as the designated area of hate; and two, because the left says “I'm nice. I'm all about helping the poorest in society.” and as soon as it is able to get away with it, it kills you. While the right just tells you it's going to kill you and does it.

The right is up front. It operates on a conscious desire to dominate. While the left is deceptive to itself and everyone else. It says it's all about the opposite of dominating, while the desire to dominate manifests itself from the unconscious - dominating the groups that threaten its dominance.

Returning to the original premise that leftists project their hate onto conservatives and conservatives benevolence onto leftists. Conservatives are less agreeable and harder. On the unconscious end of that is agreeableness and softness that the conservative does not want to know about; as it doesn't want to see themselves as a soft soy boy. So this is projected onto the leftist.
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