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RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread
(12-31-2016 11:01 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(12-31-2016 10:31 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(12-31-2016 10:26 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  If the Holocaust is to be "denied", then is the below a lie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold%27s_Report

https://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/...rt-by.html

Pilecki and what happened to him came out publicly after the fall of the Berlin Wall. The worst part is the Allies knew what was going on and didn't bomb the rail station to Auschwitz.

A conversation about how much "Jews have been milking the Holocaust teet" should be separated from "is the Holocaust real"?

Yes the Holocaust is real. Yes, not all were Jewish. Yes most likely 11 million people were summarily executed and chances are of those who died 6 million were Jews. The Soviets also had concentration camps and killed far more people before WWII (numerically) than during the Holocaust and that also involved "who you were at the time" but we dont have "memorials to the death of Communism". THAT bothers me more than anything discussed related to the Holocaust.

This is a good example of misleading information:

Quote:During World War II, he volunteered for a Polish resistance operation to get imprisoned in the Auschwitz death camp in order to gather intelligence and escape. While in the camp, Pilecki organized a resistance movement and as early as 1941, informed the Western Allies of Nazi Germany's Auschwitz atrocities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

Quote:The Wannsee Conference (German: Wannseekonferenz) was a meeting of senior government officials of Nazi Germany and SS leaders, held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee on 20 January 1942.

Even the mainstream historians allege that the Holocaust was planned out only during and after the Wansee conference.

Which makes the above a total falsehood.

It is not. Read Pilecki's full report, which covers the years 1940 through to about 1943. Auschwitz was first constructed in April 1940. Pilecki allowed himself to be arrested in September 1940. At that point, Auschwitz was being used to house mainly Polish prisoners, and Pilecki's account speaks to the sorts of torture and murder that was going on against them at that point. Pilecki organised a resistance movement within Auschwitz and was getting reports of what was going on in there out as early as 1940. The Polish home government began passing these reports on to the British government in 1941. Meanwhile, Pilecki's account continues as a contemporaneous account of conditions in the camp from 1940 onward... aaaaaaand, when he gets to 1942, his accounts refer to thousands of Jews coming into the camp ... that is, right after the Wansee Conference as you describe, in January 1942. Pilecki escaped Auschwitz in April 1943.

Pilecki's report provides an estimate, such as it is, of those who died in Auschwitz:

"Here I quote the number of people who died in Oświęcim.
When I was leaving Oświęcim, I remembered a serial number 121 thousand and some. There were about 23 thousand of those alive, of such ones who had departed in transports or been released. About 97 thousand numbered prisoners died.
It had nothing to do with the number of people, who had been gassed and burnt in masses, unrecorded. Basing on estimations done by those who worked close to that commando, over 2 million such people died.
I quoted that number cautiously, not to overestimate; the daily quoted numbers should rather be discussed in detail.
Colleagues, who were there and witnessed gassings of eight thousand people a day, quote the number of plus/minus five million people.
"

Again, these are estimates, but that's 2 million gassed and burnt at Auschwitz alone. And that was still in 1943, a good year or more before liberation.

Pilecki was also not a Commie who, after the war, made up this shit to benefit the Russians (as a lot of Poles who turned to Communism either willingly or out of pragmatism did). Pilecki was collecting evidence on Russian atrocities against Poles after the war, at least until the Russians arrested him, had a show trial in 1948, and executed him. His last words to his wife are reported as: " "I cannot live. They killed me. Because Oświęcim [Auschwitz] compared with them was just a trifle."

This gets more and more fanciful.

So now the nazis build Auschwitz complete with gas chambers - to kill Polish political prisoners? Why the need for gas chambers for that?

Besides, I see no credible proof of this report being authentic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold%27s_Report

Quote:The first publication of Witold's Report took place in 2000, 55 years after the war.[citation needed] An English translation was published in 2015 under the title The Auschwitz Volunteer: Beyond Bravery.[16]

Eli Wiesel was a liar.

Anne Frank's diary is a fraud.

Show me credible of this report being contemporary.
12-31-2016 11:18 AM
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