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RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread
(12-31-2016 03:49 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  This is wilfully misleading. Ausrotten can only have the translation of "permanent removal or uprooting" in the context of non-living things or abstract ideals - things that cannot literally be killed. When referring to people, it means 'complete destruction.' One need only look at a basic German-English dictionary to demonstrate this:

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To put this into context for English-speakers, it would be like attempting to claim that exterminate, with its roots in the Latin words ex (meaning 'out of') and terminus (meaning "borders"), is synonymous with "deportation." Any fluent English speaker will tell you that is non-sensical.

I dare you to take that translation of Himmler's speech to any of the fluent German speakers on this forum if you are so certain of it.

Again, I would like to point out for everyone that this is the extent of the "evidence" for the Holocaust: quibbles over the precise grammatical meaning behind a single word in a speech. I find this preposterous evidence in the face of the enormity of the accusation at hand. We have a criminal case with allegedly six million dead bodies and the best evidence to be marshaled is a dictionary definition. What is wrong with this picture? If you're on a jury, is this enough to convict?

(12-31-2016 03:49 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  False strawman. No serious Holocaust scholar claims 6 million Jews were gassed to death. At least half of the Jews murdered were killed outside of the extermination camps, either by the Einsatzgruppe death squads on the Eastern Front, or by systematic ghettoization, or by deaths in the other concentration camps. And I would point out that the Nazis were not completely successful in covering up everything - the Madjanek extermination camp was captured virtually intact, gas chambers, crematoria and all.

It doesn't matter how many millions were supposedly killed in gas chambers (and the number seems to be in constant decline). What matters is whether the gas chambers existed at all, because if they didn't then the entire story falls apart.

(12-31-2016 03:49 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  If you want to disregard the testimony of all the defendents and witnesses at the Nuremburg Trials, fine. Set aside the fact that Rudolf Hoss, who you earlier mentioned, wrote entire memoirs about the killings at Auschwitz and testified about them in multiple other forums.

Since you seem to discard all testimonies of survivors as either hearsay or fabrications, how do you account for the testimonies of dozens of former SS guards, like Josef Klehr, or Oswald Kaduk, or, Oskar Groening - men who openly admitted to the roles that they played in the killing process, as well as to the purposes of the extermination camps?

What do you have to say about the many thousands of people who testify that they were abducted by aliens? I don't say that flippantly. I'm merely pointing out that it's not exactly uncommon for people to testify that something happened to them when in reality it did not occur. People lie about things like that for all sorts of reasons. Besides, there are also eyewitnesses whose testimony contradicts the official narrative. Like Paul Rassinier, who was himself imprisoned at Buchenwald. Or Esther Grassman. Or Maria Vanherwaarden and Marika Frank:

Quote:An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. [16] She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.

Auschwitz was no vacation resort, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the deaths of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus. She saw some take their own lives. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program.

A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later.

Or how about Mr. Holocaust himself, Elie Wiesel, who never mentioned gas chambers in his memoirs, but talked about fabricated nonsense like watching babies being thrown into burning pits and geysers of blood spurting out of the ground?

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” - Romans 8:18
12-31-2016 04:39 PM
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