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RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread
(01-01-2017 07:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Starving prisoners. The official narrative is that most new prisoners went to the gas chambers. So the men you see in that photo were the workers. It also doesn't show that these guys would get gassed.

I'm really undecided on this piece of history. My intuition says there were gas chambers, but not with super deadly gasses. Easy enough to suffocate with lots of different cheaper gasses. And gas chambers weren't the primary method of killing. Gas was for people who did not know they were going to be killed.

If I had to devise a mass extermination camp, it would be:

I am kind of with you on this. My academic historical expertise is definitely not Holocaust, but the 6 million estimate always seemed possibly too high to me even when I was a college student. My question for those posting in this thread is that, who exactly or what is claiming that 6 million specifically were gassed? In all my years of WW2 related coursework, I have never heard this before. From what I recall, anywhere from 1-3 million were starved, shot, tortured, buried alive, gassed, etc. The additional estimated up to 3 million more were not all Jewish, but rather a collection of Poles, POWs, Gypsy people, and other undesirables. For example someone shot while being rounded up with others before arriving, additional starvation after liberation due to displacements, lack of humanitarian supplies, war casualties around the camps, etc.

I will admit I never seriously studied WW2 in high school so if they are teaching kids that 6 million Jews died by gassing, that is unfortunate but not surprising, considering how loose and fast we are with facts of other more mundane historical stuff like JFK, Lincoln, Plymouth Rock, Native Americans, the history of Thanksgiving or Christmas, etc. All these and many more things have been constantly fudged to suit political and/or financial agendas.

WW2 is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind hands down. The Japanese had horrific war crimes that are hardly spoken about until every Asian government goes politically ballistic whenever Japanese leaders go to their war heroes shrine.

Trying to figure out which part of the war was worse is kinda tricky in my opinion. The Russian deaths are atrocious. The deaths in the Asian part of the war are almost as bad if not the same as the Jewish exterminations.

I have chatted with some WW2 and WW1 historians and while most folks like talking about the deaths during the conflict, these guys like to point out the aftermath death tolls as well (before as well in WW2's case). It's worth thinking about the after effects of WW2, when talking about the scale of death and carnage. You could make a decent argument for just alot of deaths (many from starvation or disease) after all the fighting stopped, all the way up to the 1970s, that were a direct result of WW2.

Germans kept records of many things, which make it easy, but the Chinese for example hardly wrote or recorded enough to know for sure, and to this day it is notoriously difficult to figure out how many of them really did die back then. Because of the result of the war, Mao kills/starve millions more on top of all of that. Russia could also be thrown in this same bucket. Communism as a whole as an after-effect of WW2, ruined millions of lives and set mankind back in many places in the world.

Alot of historians say WW2 is just a continuation of WW1's unresolved conflict. It's a very good argument for many reasons I won't get into, but WW2 and it's after effects did not truly stop in 1945, just the fighting itself. There was a reason many religious people thought that both world wars was the beginning of the end of the world. That's why I liked Weambulance's post about the spiritual component. That was a very evil time in the world. If you are like me a history junkie that sometimes like to visit places in the top 20 most haunted lists, the air feels different in places with heavy losses. For me it's very noticeable, especially if I get touched or see something strange.

The only thing worse than this is the war we narrowly avoided by getting Trump in office. Only a nuclear war could outdo what WW1/2 ever did.

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Holocaust fact finding thread - Valentine - 12-31-2016, 01:57 AM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - TravelerKai - 01-01-2017 09:22 PM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-01-2017, 10:14 PM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-02-2017, 04:05 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-02-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-02-2017, 10:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-03-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 12:33 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 01:17 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:11 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-17-2017, 07:25 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-17-2017, 02:23 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 02-20-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 03-01-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Menace - 04-12-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-12-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-01-2017, 01:08 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-02-2017, 11:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 01:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-03-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 02:00 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 06:14 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-05-2017, 11:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 08:35 PM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 09:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-06-2017, 12:25 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-06-2017, 12:42 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 09-06-2017, 12:33 PM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 01-28-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-27-2018, 06:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-29-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Ruslan - 01-29-2018, 04:53 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:05 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-11-2018, 02:04 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Dusty - 04-12-2018, 07:42 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 04-12-2018, 10:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-13-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-14-2018, 07:17 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-13-2018, 11:45 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 06:00 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-15-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-17-2018, 03:12 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-19-2018, 12:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 05-02-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - kamoz - 05-19-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Lika - 05-23-2018, 03:15 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - fokker - 05-20-2018, 04:04 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - nola - 05-23-2018, 04:22 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 08-02-2018, 01:06 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - storm - 10-22-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-23-2018, 01:34 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 02:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 10-25-2018, 10:15 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-27-2018, 04:00 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 11-08-2018, 08:33 AM
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