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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(01-02-2017 09:59 AM)weambulance Wrote:  The claims about the numbers of bodies supposedly burned in the crematoria didn't feel right just based on my gut scientific sense, so I started looking into the math. I was going to do a post detailing the problems I found, but then I found this rather long and exhaustive investigation into that very question:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html

I honestly just quickly read through it and there's no way I'm spending a week checking his 200+ sources, but nothing jumped out at me as obviously wrong in his presentation. He goes into sufficient detail to even consider how many times the firebrick would've had to have been replaced in the ovens.

Here's the author:


Hmm. Seems sketchy... that's a scary label.

...Of course, if as a geologist I went out and did that kind of analysis showing the problems with the claims of the global warming crowd, I would be tarred with the same brush. [b]Denier. And indeed, quite a few scientists have been.

The label doesn't make them wrong.[/b]

I agree with you on this. I myself having worked in oil and gas most of my adult life, could do the same thing with the Peak Oil proponents. Working for a few of the top 10 oil companies in the world, you get access to alot of the information on the state of drilling (E&P, Upstream, and Downstream).

Anytime someone told me we were running out of oil in 50 years or whatever, I could smack them with facts and information on all the reserves available, the sizes of them, new discoveries that were being found everyday, what we currently tap and work, and fields we leave sitting because there are just cheaper ones to drill.

Even though Peak Oil and Global Warming (manmade) have been mostly debunked, history also being fact based and driven, is never easy because the evidence is constantly fading away.

(01-02-2017 12:37 PM)Delta Wrote:  I have to admit that this thread has changed my perspective in some ways.

I used to think "Holocaust denier" meant raving anti-Semitic lunatic who believes that there's some pact among Jews to make up stories about having been sent to concentration camps. In reality, the deniers' position does not require the bulk of concentration camp survivors to be lying in any way, and I don't sense any malice toward Jews in this thread. I say this being partially Jewish myself.

This common misrepresentation of Holocaust denial (as denial that anything happened, rather than denial that the purpose of the camps was extermination), coupled with its illegality throughout most of Europe, is enough to cast some doubt in my eyes. Let's say you know a guy named Joe. You can't go around telling everyone Joe is a crazy idiot with ridiculous beliefs, and then cover Joe's mouth and knock him unconscious when he tries to speak up for himself. If he's so insane, why not let him open his mouth and prove you right?

I'm not saying I totally buy into what Scorpion and others are saying. I'd have to do much more research to form such an opinion. But my mind is more open than it used to be.

Scorpion is a good man (I consider him a friend) and has done alot for this community. Not saying he can never be wrong on something either. Even if he was, he is usually fairly gracious in acknowledging it. For those on the fence, I would say at least give him a chance on it and hear him out. It's not like he banged your mom. Tongue

I myself, like I said before, I had doubts about the numbers but did not think about it too much because there are issues concerning numbers in other parts of WW2 history, like the number or Indians, Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos killed or executed (eg. Rape of Nanjing's 300,000 deaths). Stalingrad's numbers has been subject to some strong debate in the past on just how many civilians and Russians were killed in the siege. That entire siege was ridiculous! It easily matched at that time Hitler's incredible psychosis.

Anyway if Scorpion says something isn't right about something, he isn't the type to cry wolf, and that is good enough reason to dig along and see what the deal is. It will take me some time to read through all of what he and others like Gorgiass have posted.

Germany/Germanic people have a strange and a very, very long history. They (The Anglo Saxons) pretty much snuffed out the Ancient Britons, so they are no stranger to rape/conquest. I don't know how Samseau and others can read and research Ancient history as much as they do. Makes my head spin sometimes trying to remember what ethnic group is fighting which, as if remembering all the Biblical ones is not hard enough.

The couple of German guys posting here made good posts. Parzival's post was excellent. I do feel bad for the young man whose great grandfather was SS and was part of that. What I would say as a person who has an ancestor that killed almost 200 innocent white people in a slave rebellion is that, you cannot internalize that emotional stuff as your crime or burden. They did what they did, you have your own life. Take their good and discard the rest and learn from it. Even though Scorpion said it kinda mean, he is right about how Germany's youth need to start standing up for themselves again. At some point they need to get back on the horse. Let's just hope it is not too late for that.

This is a good discussion fellas as long as it stays civil it should stay that way.

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RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-01-2017, 10:14 PM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-02-2017, 04:05 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - TravelerKai - 01-02-2017 01:50 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-02-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-02-2017, 10:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-03-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 12:33 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 01:17 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:11 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-17-2017, 07:25 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-17-2017, 02:23 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 02-20-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 03-01-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Menace - 04-12-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-12-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-01-2017, 01:08 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-02-2017, 11:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 01:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-03-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 02:00 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 06:14 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-05-2017, 11:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 08:35 PM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-06-2017, 12:25 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-06-2017, 12:42 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 09-06-2017, 12:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Nowak - 09-11-2017, 02:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 01-28-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-27-2018, 06:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-29-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Ruslan - 01-29-2018, 04:53 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:05 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-11-2018, 02:04 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Dusty - 04-12-2018, 07:42 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 04-12-2018, 10:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-13-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-14-2018, 07:17 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-13-2018, 11:45 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 06:00 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 01:50 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 01:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-15-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-17-2018, 03:12 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-19-2018, 12:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 05-02-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - kamoz - 05-19-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Lika - 05-23-2018, 03:15 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - fokker - 05-20-2018, 04:04 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - nola - 05-23-2018, 04:22 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 08-02-2018, 01:06 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - storm - 10-22-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-23-2018, 01:34 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 02:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 10-25-2018, 10:15 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-27-2018, 04:00 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 11-08-2018, 08:33 AM
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