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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
It's plausible you could kill people by sticking them in a room and using diesel exhaust, sure.

It's not likely CO would be the killer in that situation.

It's plausible that such a jury-rigged system might be thought up, given very limited supplies. One or two examples of such a rig would be plausible.

There are two distinct claims that I have a problem with here, though:

1) CO is uniformly claimed as the killing agent in these exhaust (not poison) gas chambers and vans. The bodies, however, are described as "blue". CO poisoning makes people look very red, not blue. Blue is cyanosis due to asphyxia (in this context).

2) CO gas poisoning from diesel engines as a standard method used at many locations is implausible. There are just so many more efficient ways of doing it, and diesel fuel is a strategic resource in war.

If diesel engines were used to kill with CO2, the people in the rooms would've been frantic. Do you know why you start to freak out if you're holding your breath underwater and can't get air? It's because CO2 is building up in your body. The human body doesn't sense a lack of oxygen and decide to breathe, it senses a surplus of CO2. That's why you can die without ever realizing something's wrong if you screw around with nitrogen in an enclosed space. Your body never knows the oxygen is missing.

Now, maybe we can talk about why eyewitnesses claimed the people in the gas chambers just died peacefully if CO2 was the cause, but that's not even my point. My point is if CO2 poisoning was the actual cause of death, not CO, it would've been an obviously cruel death for every single one of them. Thus, the Nazis would clearly not have cared about killing the prisoners cruelly.

So why not use steam? Just as an example. Plenty of wood around, plus they had plenty of coke for the crematoria. Was water hard to come by, especially nonpotable water? I doubt it. So why not use steam? Boilers would've been easy to come by, as they were commonly used for household heating for 50+ years by the 1930s.

If you flood a room full of people with pressurized steam, they're all toast in about a minute. It would be horrifyingly painful, but so quick it would probably be more humane than slowly killing them with CO2, letting them go nuts from the panic reaction, each feeding off the hysteria of the rest, the strong trampling the elderly and the young while trying to escape...

Or why not use simple asphyxiation? Seal the place well enough, lower the ceiling to 78 inches to minimize air volume, cram them in and bar the door shut. Why waste a bunch of diesel on your Rube Goldberg execution chamber when you can let them suffocate without wasting anything?

I can come up with many other alternatives that do not rely on jury-rigged systems that consume strategic fuels, even granting the premise that shooting the victims would be too traumatizing for the guards, which I frankly do not find a persuasive argument in the first place.

See, I'm fine with admitting that governments do dumb shit sometimes. Sometimes they even do systematically dumb shit (okay, pretty often). But I find it very hard to believe that in Nazi Germany, the country that created one of the finest war machines in the history of mankind, they relied on a jury-rigged, inefficient system as the standard method of committing mass murder over a period of years and nobody came up with a better, much less wasteful way of doing it. Especially once the liquid fuel shortages started later in the war.

Maybe some high ranking Nazi owned a diesel distribution company and just wanted to boost sales by mandating the diesel exhaust gas chamber execution method, eh?

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I wrote that over an hour ago and now I'm reading through various sites online. No doubt my analysis will seem familiar, seeing how so many "deniers" online came to the same conclusions I did.

Except I didn't read what they had to say first. I worked from the sources used to construct the official story and used my own knowledge, along with some googling to make sure I was right about certain details, to reach those conclusions.

My assumption for many years--until a few days ago--was the victims in the gas chambers didn't know they were going to die. I thought it was something like "Hey you stinky buggers, time for a shower!" and whoops, out came the poison gas. I figured maybe 15-30 people in one of those shower rooms, because it's obviously ridiculous to think cramming people into a room, one per square foot, would allow for much cleaning.

But none of these accounts I'm reading support that idea. And now that I'm actually reading what the "eyewitnesses" had to say about it, it's obvious that there are big fat holes in the official story. What I'm reading is, at the very least, wildly embellished to make the Germans look like Really Bad Guys. There sure are lots of stories of SS dudes stomping babies to death in front of their mothers. And these are the guys who were supposed to go crazy from shooting their victims?

I would've thought rounding people up, stripping them of their property, and sticking them in concentration camps was bad enough. I certainly do not consider the contemporary internment camps in the US any kind of shining moment in our history. And if we'd been invaded and were losing the war, I doubt anyone would've made those camps a high priority for supplies and care. It's likely loads of them would've died like the victims did in the Nazi camps.

So why was it so important that the Nazis be painted as the evillest people in human history, and for all time?
01-03-2017 12:37 PM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 02-20-2017, 11:44 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-05-2017, 11:43 PM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-13-2018, 11:45 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 08-02-2018, 01:06 AM
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