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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(01-07-2017 10:11 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  I have no doubt the main facts of the Holocaust occurred essentially the way history records them due to the fact that many of the main engineers of the slaughter, such as Rudolf Hoss, were quite proud of their work.

https://www.amazon.com/Commandant-Auschw...1842120247

It doesn't require any conspiracy on the part of the Allies to commit an exaggeration of the Holocaust when so many members of the former Nazi regime were so eager to tell the story themselves.

Allies: "We're going to tell the world what you've done! We can say anything we like."

Hoss: "No, no, don't you dare. I'll tell the story myself. Whatever you could come up with would never do the efficiency of my work justice!"

If there was any exaggeration on the scope of the Holocaust, it was due to the embellishment of the perpetrators themselves, not anyone who was left to pick up the pieces.

It must be a comforting illusion that White Europeans could never be guilty of such a crime. But the guilt is, nonetheless.

That bold part has nothing to do with the discussion.

Many Nazis involved with the concentration camps denied the claims made in the "official" story. If we're taking the word of Nazis into account, you cannot simply ignore the dissenters and believe the people who say what you want them to say. That is the definition of confirmation bias.

I can counter your example of Rudolf Hoess "proudly" saying what happened--which is an exaggeration, as I saw when I read his actual testimony--with Josef Mengele, who went to his grave claiming his innocence. And there were many prisoners who testified that Mengele was kind to them. The Mengele story is based on the testimony of Miklos Nyiszli, a Jew who supposedly worked under Mengele as a doctor in the camp. If you start poking into his (various) stories, you'll find all kinds of holes and inconsistencies. Plenty of people jumped on the bandwagon accusing Mengele, but it's funny how there's a distinct lack of evidence of his thousands of terrible experiments. Like, for example, several reams of paper full of notes and data. I've done scientific research. You quickly find yourself ass-deep in notes and data even doing minor research.

Incidentally, I'm not going to take your linked book as a good source when it was, at best, a coerced account ("Captured by the British after the war, tried, and sentenced to death, he was ordered to write his autobiography in the weeks between his trial and his execution") written immediately before the man was going to be executed. And if you do want to accept Hoess's words, he says he was tortured after his capture by the British once they realized who he was! There are accounts from British soldiers who admit they threatened his family directly and tortured Hoess as well.

Confessions affirming the official story--mostly obtained from captured prisoners under duress, often held by the Soviets--plus cherrypicked "eyewitness" testimony from inmates are the entire basis of the official holocaust genocide story.

The physical evidence supporting the official story is laughable, and the more I study the matter, the more problems I find with the Auschwitz gas chamber narrative specifically. I'm not ready to present a full explanation because I keep finding even more threads to tug but suffice to say the method of gassing as presented in the official story is ludicrous and the "gas chamber" was wholly inadequate to safely kill thousands of people a day. I already talked about the crematoria bottleneck in this thread as well.

Setting aside the confessions and testimony entirely, I don't see how anyone with significant scientific knowledge could look into the claims made about the mass killings in the holocaust from a purely objective standpoint and not find endless questions and problems. The most disturbing thing is only "holocaust deniers" seem to have asked these questions. And that wraps it up with a neat little bow, doesn't it? If you ask questions and point out inconsistencies, you're a denier, and thus should be ignored as a kook. And if you live in the wrong country, you should go to prison for daring to question the narrative.

Let me repeat that I went into this with no reason to doubt the official holocaust story. I do not worship the Nazis in any way and if I'd been alive during WWII I would've been over there kicking their asses myself. But I'm not going to pretend the official story of the holocaust makes a damn lick of sense just because the Nazis were the bad guys in WWII from the American perspective.
01-08-2017 11:42 AM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:11 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - weambulance - 01-08-2017 11:42 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-17-2017, 07:25 PM
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