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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
Excerpt from a good write-up by Germar Rudolf:

Quote: Why should I take Holocaust revisionism any more seriously than the claim that the earth is flat?

There is no topic where dissent is taken more seriously than when it comes to the Holocaust. The United Nations have issued a number of resolutions against it (11 January 2005; 26 January 2007; 27 January 2009), and an increasing number of nations prosecute Holocaust revisionism as a crime, punished with up to 20 years in prison (see question 15. Is Holocaust revisionism illegal?). The comparison is therefore wrong. In fact, the shoe is on the other foot. It was once illegal to proclaim the truth that the earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun, a crime punished by the Catholic Church with imprisonment or even death, as Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei found out the hard way. Today flat-earthers may be laughed at, but they are not persecuted beyond that. Holocaust revisionism, however, is being taken extremely seriously, because if it were not suppressed, it would spread like a wildfire and threaten the powers that be, just as Bruno’s and Galilei’s theories did.

Whether an unusual claim ought to be looked into and maybe taken seriously should be judged by what is at stake. Let me give a few examples:

1. What would be the political and social repercussions if it turns out the earth is flat? I cannot see any. So why bother? And why would anyone claim in the first place the earth is a sphere, if it’s not?

2. Take, on the contrary, the events of 9/11/2001. What would be the repercussion if it wasn’t a Muslim terror act, but a false flag operation by the U.S. government? It would have ginormous effects, so it’s worth our time looking into the arguments of both sides.

3. Or take the claim that no man ever landed on the moon. Other than leaving the LB Johnson and Nixon administrations with egg in their faces, and a dent in the U.S.’s self-confidence, the issue is more academic than impactful. Although it is an admittedly interesting challenge.

4. Last but not least we have the climate change debate. What if climate change is – rightly or wrongly – assumed real, and we implement drastic measures to counter it? Then worldwide carbon emission limits might cause a major economic crisis at worst. On the other hand, what if climate change is erroneously assumed a hoax, and we keep spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? Then a mass extinction event may happen on earth, wiping out most life as we know it, including all humans. Which brings up the issue of risk assessment. Any side in any debate can be wrong. The question then is: which side can claim to err on the side of caution? If the answer is as extremely clear as in the climate debate, it should be clear which end of the stick we should pick, no matter what.

Coming back to the Holocaust, the question is what is at stake here. Some of it was touched upon in the answer to question 3. Why is Holocaust revisionism necessary? This in not the place for a thorough political and sociological analysis of the Holocaust’s place in modern western society. Suffice it to say that the powers that be prove ultimately with their unparalleled and unprecedented persecution and suppression that this is THE MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC about which they are hell-bent at keeping an absolute control over our minds. That’s fishy enough to warrant a closer look.

In addition to this, here are a few observations highlighting the importance of this greatest of all taboos:
  • The Holocaust was and is the justification for the creation of Israel, and the ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians from territories under its control.
  • The Holocaust is with a distance the most important aspect of modern, predominantly secularized Jewish identity.
  • The Holocaust is abused as a justification for any human rights violations and violations of international law committed by Israeli authorities.
  • The Holocaust is the moral justification for the special relationship between the US and other western nations on one hand and Israel on the other, resulting in almost unanimous and unconditional support for whatever Israel does.
  • The Holocaust is in extension used to support and justify the “war on terror,” which is to a large degree a war of the West against the Arab and Muslim world as Israel’s potentially most dangerous opponents and enemies.
  • The Holocaust is with a distance the most important aspect of modern, predominantly secularized GERMAN identity. It makes the German nation defenseless against any claims usually resisted by self-confidant nations. Germay’s Holocaust cult is a suicidal death cult. This has become crystal clear with the 2015 refugee crisis.
  • The Holocaust is abused to undermine any attempt at self-preservation by individual European nations, or by Europe in general, thus threatening the entire continent to be turned into an assembly of failed third world countries.

The last two bolded bullet points are key to why the lie of the gas chambers must be exposed. The Holocaust is being used as a psychological weapon of mass destruction against the European people. I will write a longer post on that when I have more time.

Another excerpt of Rudolf's from a short introductory essay on Revisionism:

Quote:Political Correctness and Revisionism

Many people are bewildered when they first hear Holocaust Revisionist arguments. The arguments appear to make sense, but “How is it possible?” The whole world believes the Holocaust story. It’s just not plausible that so great a conspiracy to suppress the truth could have functioned more than half a century.

To understand how it could very well have happened, one needs only to reflect on the intellectual and political orthodoxies of medieval Europe, or those of National Socialist Germany or the Communist-bloc countries. In all of these societies the great majority of scholars were caught up in the existing political culture. Committed to a prevailing ideology and its interpretation of reality, these scholars and intellectuals felt it was their right, and even their duty, to protect every aspect of that ideology. They did so by oppressing the “evil” dissidents who expressed “offensive” or “dangerous” ideas. In everyone of those societies, scholars became the “Thought Police.”

In our own society, in the debate over the question of political correctness, there are those who deliberately attempt to trivialize the issues. They claim that there is no real problem with freedom of speech in our society, and that all that is involved with PC are a few rules which would defend minorities from those who would hurt their feelings. There is, of course, a deeper and more serious aspect to the problem. In American society today there is a wide range of ideas and viewpoints which the mass media will not allow to be discussed openly. Even obvious facts and realities, when they are politically unacceptable, are denied and suppressed. One can learn much about the psychology and methods of the Thought Police by watching how they react when just one of their taboos is broken and Holocaust Revisionism is given a public forum.

First they express outrage that such “offensive” and “dangerous” ideas were allowed to be expressed publicly. They avoid answering or debating these ideas, claiming that to do so would give the Revisionists a forum and legitimacy. Then they make vicious personal attacks against the Revisionist heretics, calling them political names such as “hater,” “denier,” “anti-Semite,” “racist,” “terrorist,” or “neo-Nazi,” even suggesting that they are potential mass murderers. They publicly accuse the Revisionists of lying, but they don’t allow the dissenters to hear the specific charge against them or to face their accusers so that they can answer this slander.

Revisionists are frequently accused of being hate filled people who are promoting a doctrine of hatred. But Revisionism is a scholarly process, not a doctrine or an ideology. If the Holocaust promoters really want to expose hatred, they should take a second look at their own doctrines, and a long look at themselves in the mirror.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” - Romans 8:18
01-12-2017 08:42 PM
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