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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
I thought this writeup by David Irving was pretty interesting:

The Suppressed Eichmann and Goebbels Papers

It's about 10,000 words so way too long to quote here.

The whole thing is worth reading (it's a bit rambly at the start), but the following passage is of particular interest given the earlier mention of Rudolf Hoess. He's speaking of Adolf Eichmann here:

Quote:Round about 1958, he [Eichmann] gets hold of the “memoirs” of Rudolf Höss, which were published by the Institute of Contemporary History in Munich in that year. Höss wrote these “memoirs” while he was in Krakow, in Polish captivity. They’ve always been a problem – let’s be frank about this – they’ve been a problem to Revisionists.

Eichmann’s comments on the Höss memoirs are annihilating. Reading where Rudolf Höss is saying that two and a half million Jews have been liquidated at Auschwitz, the camp where he was commandant, Eichmann comments, “Where does Höss believe that he got these two and a half million Jews? Not from me. Because to have liquidated two and a half million decrepit, elderly, unworkable Jews, I must have had to feed to him three, four, five, six or seven million Jews in that space of time, and from the transport point of view alone this would have been totally impossible.”

You see, the memoirs of Eichmann are very useful in this respect. He was the transport specialist whose job it was to round up the Jews in Hungary and Slovakia. and ship them off to Germany for forced labor and for dissipation to the other labor camps. He knew that shipping off millions of Jews wasn’t something you do at the snap of your fingers: you had to have conferences with the railway officials and with the road officials, and with the guards and with everybody else who was going to be involved in all this. You had to provide the food for the transports which were going to be on the rails for four or five or six days. All this had to be prepared and planned with typical German bureaucracy and method, and that took meetings and conferences. And Eichmann said, “If you’re going to ship five or six million Jews across Europe to Auschwitz at that time, let me tell you how many trains that would have taken,” and he worked out how many trains it would have taken, because he knew.

“You’re not only going to have trains going that way full of Jews, you’re going to have empty trains coming back. And you’re going to have to have a circulation time, a time where they’re unloading at one end, a time where they’re loading at the other end... You’re going to need so many thousands of wagons” of rolling stock. He worked out exactly how much rolling stock would have been needed, in these memoirs, and he said, “This alone proves that Rudolf Höss was talking through his hat. These figures are totally fantastic, and what the hell is Höss up to?” That is a brief, lurid summary of what Eichmann writes as he’s sitting in what he believes to be safety in the underground in Argentina, reading these memoirs of Höss, published in 1958.

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Something else I found of interest when I was looking up David Irving, related to the US election:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...28171.html

Quote:Anti-Semitic historian David Irving claims new support from teenage Holocaust-denying Trump fans

‘Racist’ author says young people are contacting him in their thousands to find out ‘the truth’ about Hitler

Ben Kentish | @BenKentish | Sunday 15 January 2017

Historian David Irving has claimed he is inspiring a “new generation” of Holocaust deniers through YouTube videos of his speeches.

The author, labelled “antisemitic and racist” by a judge in his failed 2000 libel action, said he received hundreds of emails a day from young people who back his views – many of them supporters of Donald Trump.

The 78-year-old told The Guardian: “Interest in my work has risen exponentially in the last two or three years. And it’s mostly young people.

“I’m getting messages from 14, 15 and 16-year-olds in America. They find me on YouTube. There are 220 of my lectures on YouTube, I believe, and these young people tell me how they’ve stayed up all night watching them.

“They get in touch because they want to find out the truth about Hitler and the Second World War. They ask all sorts of questions. I’m getting up to 300 to 400 emails a day. And I answer them all. I build a relationship with them.”

Despite a mass of historical evidence to the contrary, Mr Irving has claimed only a few Jews were killed by the Nazis and that the concentration camp gas chambers were a hoax. He once compared the Auschwitz death camp to “Disneyland”.

His theories have been criticised by a range of respected historians, who cite a significant lack of supporting evidence and accuse him of ignoring overwhelming evidence that millions of Jews were murdered by the Nazis.

He has also been arrested in a number of countries where Holocaust denial is a crime and served a year in prison in Austria for his views.

Once a highly regarded academic, Mr Irving has more recently been described as a “maverick” who produces “provocations” instead of serious scholarly work.

Despite this, Mr Irving said he had noticed a growing interest in his work and claimed “the truth about the Holocaust is gradually coming out”.

He said: “This is thanks to the internet. It’s how this new generation finds me. There’s a general belief among people out there that they are being misled.”

He said his fans mostly supported President-elect Donald Trump, who he thinks will be a good president and “has his heart in the right place”. He also praised Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, describing him as “a very fine man” and admitting he was impressed by him.

Mr Irving claimed the internet was responsible for fuelling Holocaust denial among people who did not trust the mainstream media.

He said: “It’s all to do with this phenomenon of people not trusting what they are told by their governments and newspapers. They seek around to find someone who provides some remedy to this. And they find me.

“I am part of the remedy. It’s not just that I’m selling huge amounts of books around the world. One of the big changes of the last two years is the amount I’m getting in donations.

“It used to be small amounts, and they still come in, but people are now giving me very large sums indeed – five-figure sums. I now drive a Rolls-Royce. A beautiful car. Though money is completely unimportant to me.”

The historian was speaking ahead of the UK release of a new film about his legal dispute with Penguin Books after he accused them of libel for publishing a book calling him a Holocaust denier and claiming he had falsified evidence. The film, titled Denial, will cover the story of the court case, which Mr Irving lost. The judge concluded the historian was “anti-Semitic and racist” and “associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism”.

The historian had “deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence”, the judge added.

Boy, that's just dripping with hostility, eh?

I'm not a neo-Nazi. I just don't like being lied to. And new implications of the big lie of the holocaust (and related events) occur to me just about every day now.

Never before did I fully grasp the weight of the phrase "history is written by the victors."
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