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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Can't believe this is still going. Definitely an eye opener, though not in the way it was intended to be.

Wow, you really put me in my place.

And, I'm not going to give you my life story. You can worry about the facts of what I'm saying, not whether or not I have experience running my own Nazi death camp, since that's probably the only level of credential you would accept given your certainty about what happened in the holocaust.

Boilers:

Your claim that boilers can't put out much steam is, to put it kindly, absolutely absurd. Sorry. Maybe your shitty radiant heating boiler doesn't. Prolly cause it's, you know, designed to be safe against people being idiots. You know what they had in Germany? Bigass industrial high pressure boilers. Do you know what a steam locomotive is? Because they were still using those. Yep, I'm sure it would be a real nightmare for Germans to build the mysterious boiler over a century after the design they needed was invented, still in common use, and still in production for locomotives and industrial plants and naval vessels even if they didn't want to just go pick one up from somewhere.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the dangers of steam as well. Are you familiar with the safety issues surrounding high pressure steam in industrial work? I assume not. Hey, look, three seconds on google found me a recent case where a burst radiator pipe killed some little girls. Horrible.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bron...-1.2903967

But yeah, that steam ain't no thang, right?

http://www.marineinsight.com/case-studie...ses-death/

Gosh, those nervous nellies. They have nothing to worry about. It's just steam.

http://articles.mcall.com/1990-10-31/new...am-sailors

What were those sailors thinking, dying like that? Didn't they know it was just steam?!

Do you know the expansion ratio of steam, by the way? It's 1:1700. That means one cubic inch of water produces 1700 cubic inches of steam. How much water do you need to boil to fill a 100x100x7.5' room with unpressurized steam?

76235 cubic inches, which is 330 gallons. That's more or less what a steam locomotive uses for a single mile of travel at speed. The rooms I've seen that were "used for mass killings" were smaller than 100x100 feet, and much of the space in the room would be full of human bodies, so you wouldn't need anywhere near the full 330 gallons worth of water turned into steam. Still think it's inconceivable to use steam? Or do you even disagree that if you place a person in a room full of nothing but steam, he's going to very quickly die?

In fact, with the boiler pressure up and a pressure tank, they could've killed people as fast as they could be loaded and unloaded from the room. And it would've been a lot easier to make the room safe for people to enter than if they'd used poison gas, whether it was CO or cyanide. A couple commonly-available mine ventilation fans run for a minute or two and the room would've been safe, if warm and wet.

Shit, steam is even more efficient for mass killings than I thought it was when I first made my off the cuff proposal months ago.


On fuel

You can't run tanks on wood or coal, dude. You don't waste a strategic asset in wartime if it's substitutable, even if the substitute is not as good objectively. What, they couldn't press some of their prisoners into cutting down trees? They couldn't buy some seasoned wood from a nearby lumber operation? And locomotives were run on coal and wood for a goddamn century so obviously you can fire a steam boiler just fine that way.

Jesus, you make the simplest stuff sound like it's complicated to do.

And hey, I have an answer for your wood seasoning thing too, if they were cutting their own wood. The really amazingly shocking answer is, holy shit, they could've just waited a year after cutting it to start work. The only time you have to wait for wood is the first year. After that, you're always cutting the next year's wood this year. Source: I have a remote cabin that relies on wood heat in the winter. I've cut a metric fuckton of wood in my life.

Wasn't this some long-thought-out plan? You mean to tell me the German military leadership couldn't foresee needing to cut some damn wood a year ahead of time? Or just use coal for the first year, then wood after that.


Airtight structures:

First, they don't need to be airtight per se because people are consuming the oxygen. Do you think some pinholes are going to feed oxygen to hundreds of people? Obviously that's not going to work out. Do you think a mass of people can persist indefinitely on a tiny bit of oxygen diffusing in through small leaks?

How quickly the people will die in such a situation depends on the how densely they're packed, and how panicked they are. Yeah, they won't die in a couple minutes unless you pack them in tight with some kind of hydraulic ram. But they might not need to. More on that in a bit.

Second, they can build gas chambers that are safe to work around with lethal chemicals that kill at low concentration exposure, but they can't build a sufficiently airtight room...?

Jeez, and you attack my logic.

What's more efficient than just cramming people in a room and letting their own respiration kill them? Don't gotta waste wood, coal, diesel, or pesticide that way! That's German efficiency right there.

Further, they had limited space in the crematoria. It takes awhile to burn a body, as I already detailed in one of my other posts (and linked to a good source as well). So there's little point in killing more people than you can burn. Dead bodies lying around are undesirable. So it doesn't matter if it's not super quick to make people asphyxiate in an enclosed space if they just die fast enough to keep your crematoria fed.

So is asphyxiating people by packing them in a fairly airtight room and letting them die a viable solution? It absolutely is. It's absurd to claim otherwise. If you jam people into a building with 12 inch concrete walls and a steel door, jam them so tight they can barely move, there's nothing left to do but wait. There is no possibility at all that they won't die eventually.

Speaking of crematoria, I see you didn't challenge the fact that the crematoria would've had to be rebuilt a bunch of times to burn so many bodies, and there's no evidence that actually happened. Why not? Seems like a pretty huge thing to worry about, since it's a critical part of the story.


((()))

I've never written that in my life.

I am, however, shocked that in any thread where I criticize or question anything to do with Jews and their trials and tribulations I'm branded an anti-semite. Couldn't have seen that coming!

Observation is not wishfulness, but that distinction seems to be one of the hardest for humans to grasp.

Perhaps I criticize the holocaust narrative because it's such a huge lie? Perhaps the fact that it is the single reason people trot out to shit all over nationalism annoys me? Nah. I must be an anti-semite.

Also, I excoriated Cernovich at the time because he was acting like a clown, whitewashing his history, and obviously on his own side only, ready to throw people like us to the wolves as soon as it benefited him personally. I thought I made that clear by saying it about thirty times across several different threads. Perhaps if you didn't read everything I wrote through a lens of your own biased interpretation you would've grasped my message. I rarely indulge in subtlety here. I say exactly what I mean.


On holocaust "best examined crime in history" claim:

Er, no. It isn't. Or I would've found big huge piles of real evidence when I went looking. I made a point of saying that there's a distinct lack of evidence for many claims, and I didn't make that up. As I already stated, the holocaust story is built on testimony, not physical evidence. It it was built on evidence, I doubt it would've shrunk in scale so dramatically over the decades. One would think if:

A. the Nazis hid the evidence and
B. people were constantly looking for more

then the scale of the holocaust atrocities would increase, not decrease, as formerly-unknown death camps were found, new mass graves unearthed, etc. That is not at all how it has gone.

Did you apply Occam's Razor to that, yet?

And I'm not going to rehash the areas where I found missing evidence. You obviously have not read my posts in detail with an open mind.

Here's one data point, though: the first archaeological study of Treblinka just started in 2007. Most studied event ever! Yeah!

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Keep banging on about Occam's Razor if you want. That is amazingly lazy thinking. I did the research and math. You didn't. End of story.

And nice try on the personal digs. It must suck when your attempt to expose someone else's ignorance only exposes your own.

Though frankly, I doubt you're actually ignorant. I think you are the one going through mental gyrations to "disprove" the challenges to the holocaust narrative. The alternative is you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Can't tell which it is.
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