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For context on the source (credit Wikipedia): Raul Hilberg (June 2, 1926 – August 4, 2007) was an Austrian-born Jewish-American political scientist and historian. He was widely considered to be the world's preeminent scholar of the Holocaust, and his three-volume, 1,273-page magnum opus, The Destruction of the European Jews, is regarded as a seminal study of the Nazi Final Solution.





Here's another great example of the "eyewitness testimony" you get from the "survivors":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...66327.html

Quote:Yitzhak Ganon was taken to the Auschwitz-Birkenau hospital, where Josef Mengele, the so-called "Angel of Death," conducted grisly experiments on Jewish prisoners.

Ganon had to lie down on a table and was tied down. Without any anesthetics, Mengele cut him open and removed his kidney. "I saw the kidney pulsing in his hand and cried like a crazy man," Ganon says. "I screamed the 'Shema Yisrael.' I begged for death, to stop the suffering."

After the "operation," he had to work in the Auschwitz sewing room without painkillers. Among other things, he had to clean bloody medical instruments. Once, he had to spend the whole night in a bath of ice-cold water because Mengele wanted to "test" his lung function. Altogether, Ganon spent six and a half months in the concentration camp's hospital.

When they had no more use for him, the Nazis sent him to the gas chamber. He survived only by chance: The gas chamber held only 200 people. Ganon was number 201.

Here's another good one: https://www.bucknell.edu/x57001.xml

Quote:Even Josef Mengele, known as the Angel of Death for his cruel medical experiments on Jewish prisoners, checked on Goldfinger's condition after he was condemned to death for allegedly breaking his shovel. The bullet bounced off his skull and lodged in his shoulder, a wound that later became infected.

Goldfinger's last camp was Buchenwald where, on April 10, 1945, he was taken to the woods to be killed. Luckily, an American plane spotted the impending execution and began shooting at the Nazis. The Nazis hid from American fire among the prisoners before sending them back to camp where they were liberated the next day.

And remember: literally the entirety of the Holocaust narrative rests on the reliability of eyewitness testimony. There is zero forensic evidence. There is zero documentary evidence, despite the capture of thousands of tons worth of documents from the Nazi archives and the breaking of Nazi codes during the war. There is zero photographic evidence of a gas chamber. The only evidence provided is the eyewitness testimony of the survivors (the "survivors" of supposed death camps! How does that even make sense to begin with!?). The sheer absurdity of the story grows the further you dig into the details.

I had a good laugh at the quora link BelyyTigr posted. Everything posted there has been thoroughly debunked in this thread (which, of course, he would not lower himself to actually read). My favorite was the guy who posted pictures his grandfather took of some women at a labor camp. Uhh, exactly what the fuck does that have to do with the existence of gas chambers? This is the problem with this subject: it's surrounded by such controversy due to unprecedented social conditioning and brainwashing that people simply can't even begin to think rationally about it. You tell them, "There is no evidence for the existence of gas chambers," and they yell at you, show you a picture of a woman smiling inside a labor camp, call you an anti-Semite and show you the door. It's like, wait, what?

This is basically how it goes, over and over:

Revisionist: There is no evidence for the existence of gas chambers.
Average man: WHAT! You must be joking. There is so much evidence for the Holocaust. How dare you.
Revisionist: Where is the evidence?
Average man: Look, everyone knows the Holocaust happened! It's a fact. Only anti-Semites disagree.
Revisionist: *technical and logical arguments demonstrating beyond reasonable doubt that gas chambers were not used by the Nazis*
Average man: I've seen the pictures! I've been to the camps! How dare you deny their suffering! You are a Nazi!

Every single time. Why? Because 99.99% of the people who "believe" in the Holocaust have done exactly zero research into it. The extent of the average person's Holocaust knowledge is simply a vague collection of keywords (six million Jews, gas chambers, concentration camps, final solution), the film Schindler's List and pictures from textbooks showing piles of emaciated corpses. They just assume there must be all sorts of deep scholarship and indisputable evidence behind it, but never bother to actually look into it themselves. If you do actually look into the supporting evidence for the Holocaust, the vast majority of it is eyewitness testimony (incredibly unreliable, as we have seen) and testimony derived via torture at Nuremberg (totally unreliable). Sometimes they will offer up a spreadsheet or a speech excerpt as proof of genocide. Remember, this was alleged to be an industrial scale death machine responsible for the deaths of over 10 million people. And their proof is...a liberally interpreted spreadsheet, the eyewitness testimony of people who claimed to witness pedal-driven brain-bashing machines and blood geysers spurting from the ground, and the "confession" derived from a Nazi after crushing his testicles and threatening to murder his family. No actual gas chamber. No dead bodies (you'd think they could produce at least one out of the millions). No logistical or technical documentation detailing the extermination program. Nothing. There is simply nothing there. It is a complete house of cards, hence why they criminalize its investigation: get near it and it collapses completely.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” - Romans 8:18
09-03-2017 10:04 PM
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