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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(07-31-2017 02:05 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  



Saw this old German news vid from 1948. Keep in mind that Allied Command was supervising everything and no news reel was allowed to be aired that did not have US stamp of approval.

They speak of 300.000 proven deaths in Ausschwitz for the entire duration.
That coincides with the daily reports that the concentration camp commanders had to send to Berlin daily - also the reports were researched by David Irwing.

It was on average 100 deaths - 1/3 illness, 1/3 old age/duress, 1/3 executions.

The news reporters did not think the numbers were low, but considered them terrible. And indeed they were - a solid number of course among them were Poles, gypsies, gays, political prisoners etc.

Actually Irwing found that more Jews died during the Eastern Blitzkrieg where entire villages of Jews were massacred - partly with enthusiastic help of native Ukrainians and Russians who were previously slaughtered by mostly Jewish Communis commissars.

Ah well.... messy stuff.

This video refers to a court proceeding. When a team of lawyers is seeking a criminal conviction they generally don't pursue unnecessary charges which they don't have a bulletproof case for, or try to link the deaths of victims they can't prove beyond shadow of a doubt were killed by the defendant, lest they cast doubt on the other charges and the remainder of their evidence. Certainly, 300,000 deaths is more than enough to get criminal convictions so why attempt to nail down a larger number and risk the airtightness of one's case?

My understanding is that the number in this video is registered prisoners only, not those who were immediately taken off the train and selected for execution, or others who slipped through the red tape. Logic would suggest that a warring nation isn't going to expend effort to tattoo numbers into a prisoners arm and enter them into the log books if they're slated to be taken out back and shot, or gassed. http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/aus...aq-09.html

That notwhithstanding, if all can agree that even 300,000 people met an untimely demise from various means at NAZI hands at Auschwitz it seems like we may be on the path to a tentative consensus.

(09-03-2017 03:05 PM)Fisto Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 02:50 PM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  I don't spend a lot of time on "The Earth is flat" internet threads either.
They have as much credibility as extermination denialism claims.

The evidence is very easy to find. And impossible to deny.


I can't stand guys like this; comes over and lectures everyone on their morality, makes a bunch of claims and says everyone who doesn't agree with him should be ashamed, claims to have undenaible evidence and offers none.
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Making it illegal to question something is tyranny. If the evidence is really there someone should be able to conclude the claim made is true or untrue or inconclusive.

Edit - The issue is not whether this woman is attention whoring, or choosing approapriate things to be upset about, or whether she's been warned, or if she "should or shouldn't" follow the law.

It's about whether it's just or not to have a law that makes it illegal to believe or say something.

It's about nothing else.

Did you read his Quora link?

But I agree entirely about the right to speech. Grandma should be free to spout whatever nonsense her Alzheimer's ridden brain desires. Society should allow this and any discussion so that people can compare and contrast both the arguments and attitudes of those participating. On this thread, for example, you can read a denialist posting links which allege that someone can suck on the tailpipe of a 1930s diesel tank engine for 30 minutes without ill effect, and watch the poster double down when called out with cold, clinical facts. You can watch another prominent poster who has (ironically, given the text you quote) taken a position strongly questioning whether the Earth is in fact flat post about Auschwitz having a swimming pool, as if that were evidence of anything.

In the mainstream camp, I don't care if Auschwitz had 472 swimming pools (that would be one whole swimming pool per acre, by the way), I care about facts like "will inhaling straight diesel exhaust kill a human being in less than 30 minutes"? If yes, then why is this denialist website lying to me about it?

Let the best argument win. Stifling speech only lends credence to denialist claims of persecution. It may have been arguably necessary from a PR standpoint following the war but the time for even that justification has long since passed.

(09-03-2017 10:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Here's another great example of the "eyewitness testimony" you get from the "survivors":

Very curious, what issue do you take with these accounts? I don't know one way or the other about the reliability of any single witness, although a few hundred thousand combined bear some weight in my mind, but there doesn't seem to be anything unbelievable in your quotes.

(09-03-2017 10:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  derived from a Nazi after crushing his testicles

Did you forget so soon? The testicle crushing was another denialist lie, already debunked. https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60328...pid1475877 One might be inclined to think you're pursuing a narrative rather than simply forgetful on a level which even NAZI grandma feels for, had you not reassured us so repeatedly of your only pursuit being truth.

There hasn't been a single thing in the Quora article that was debunked here. Your posts, on the other hand...
09-03-2017 10:53 PM
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