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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(09-05-2017 02:19 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:49 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Guys.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but those two comments have about zero arguments on the subject matter. Just passive-aggressive snark.


No, it's not passive-aggressive. I'm being outright aggressive. This "fact-finding thread" is a disgrace to any intellectual pretensions this forum has. Trying to argue that the Holocaust never happened is tantamount to insisting that the sun revolves around the earth, the earth is 6000 years old, or that Jesus of Nazareth never existed as a historical figure. There are 0 (read, ZERO) PhDs in relevant fields who hold to this viewpoint, and it is rightfully treated as an absolute joke in the academic world.

The issue with Holocaust denial more generally is that, since there's no real way to explain the data on its model, it has to explain data away. Just dismissing the reality of gas chambers, mass executions, etc. on the claim of "it's eyewitness testimony alone" is complete bullshit. There are literally hundreds of events in history for which we have no evidence beyond written sources and eyewitness testimony, but nobody denies their historical reality.

I don't care one way or another if people here like Jews, don't like Jews, whatever. I do care that lies are being told about historical events.

Somebody is going to whine about "Holocaust denial laws." In the United States, there are no Holocaust denial laws. Strangely enough, there isn't some sort of widespread academic denialism in the United States. If a historian could actually show (with evidence, not just casting aspersion on the material) that the Holocaust never happened, he makes his career.

In a way I am not surprised you say this. While I do not have a doctorate in history, but have a degree in it. I know better than to dismiss something outright just because no one else in the PhD world agrees with it.

Hell there are things even Jared Diamond has written that no one else at his level agrees with, and for a mainstream historian/anthropologist/archaeologist/biologist guy, he is kinda mainstream with his own cult following.

Interviews are just evidences. They might be factual or flimsy. I myself ended up finding out various things my grandmothers told me about the family history was flat out wrong, misdirection, or loosely accurate. DNA, birth/death records, census records, filed lawsuits, Dawes Rolls, etc. helped me narrow down who was Native American, how much, which correct tribe(s), which ones were slaves, which ones were white/black/mixed or not, etc. etc.

Had I listened to these elderly women only, I would have been barking up the wrong tribe trees for a long ass time. They all meant well, but they did not know much about what they were talking about, nor did the menfolk in the family. My brother and I found evidence of scandalous stuff like incest, side families by a few men, etc. that they were intending to take secrets wise to their graves. Shit was literally a redpill for my bluepill brother and cast quite the pall over him. For me this was normal stuff we encountered when looking for slave records back in school.

If you really are a historian, you could at least counter argument or poke some holes in what is presented here.

I said I would dig through this thread when I got the time later, and I am intending to keep that promise. I have been keeping notes on my observations as I been viewing all the material this week, and I have been looking for other stuff as well. I will be sure to write out what I think when I have gathered enough within reason. I did not study this area of history in college, so this is not my specialty area, so it may take a little while.

I would encourage you to dig yourself and at least see if anything makes sense to you or not and compare it with what you know.

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Holocaust fact finding thread - Valentine - 12-31-2016, 01:57 AM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-01-2017, 10:14 PM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-02-2017, 04:05 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-02-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-02-2017, 10:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-03-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 12:33 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 01:17 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:11 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-17-2017, 07:25 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-17-2017, 02:23 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 02-20-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 03-01-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Menace - 04-12-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-12-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-01-2017, 01:08 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-02-2017, 11:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 01:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-03-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 02:00 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - TravelerKai - 09-05-2017 02:57 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 06:14 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-05-2017, 11:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 08:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 09:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 09:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-06-2017, 12:25 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-06-2017, 12:42 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 09-06-2017, 12:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Nowak - 09-11-2017, 02:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 01-28-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-27-2018, 06:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-29-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Ruslan - 01-29-2018, 04:53 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:05 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-11-2018, 02:04 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Dusty - 04-12-2018, 07:42 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 04-12-2018, 10:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-13-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-14-2018, 07:17 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-13-2018, 11:45 AM
RE: Holohoax - blck - 05-24-2018, 02:01 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 06:00 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 01:50 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 01:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-15-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-17-2018, 03:12 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-19-2018, 12:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 05-02-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - kamoz - 05-19-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Lika - 05-23-2018, 03:15 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - fokker - 05-20-2018, 04:04 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - nola - 05-23-2018, 04:22 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 08-02-2018, 01:06 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - storm - 10-22-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-23-2018, 01:34 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 02:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 10-25-2018, 10:15 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-27-2018, 04:00 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 10-25-2018, 10:24 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 11-08-2018, 08:33 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 11-08-2018, 09:00 PM
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 04-07-2019, 01:11 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 01-27-2020, 04:27 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Goni - 01-28-2020, 04:45 AM

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