Read The Forum Rules: We have a clear set of rules to keep the forum running smoothly. Click here to review them.

Post Reply 
Holocaust fact finding thread
Author Message
Truth Teller Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 1,821
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 15
Post: #303
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(09-05-2017 07:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Truth Teller, I believe the fundamental error you are making is looking at the Holocaust as just another event in history. Your first instinct is thus to look to the opinions of fellow historians and the views of the established literature. This is an understandable approach for a historian, but it is the wrong one if you are trying to understand what actually happened in this specific case. The Holocaust is not a remote historical event of antiquity, it is something that occurred in living memory, and it is an event which has been politicized to a greater degree than literally any other in the history of mankind. This politicization has resulted in a situation where public dissent from the established historical narrative can be met with literal imprisonment in much of the West. In countries where you won't be tossed in prison for challenging the consensus view, you will be certainly blacklisted from academia and all forms of traditional media, and even with established tenure you risk getting fired and tarred with the label of anti-Semite for life. Given this situation, it should be completely unsurprising that all mainstream historians steer clear of the Holocaust minefield (look what happened to the previously well-respected David Irving when he made the case). There's simply no incentive whatsoever to go there. It is therefore the height of foolishness to rely on historians to inform us of the truth of the Holocaust. Luckily, we don't require their expertise, most of which, by the way - as those who do the research themselves have found - is simply based on the testimony of the same few dozen individuals. Given that these events happened in the 1940s and not 4000 B.C., we have an incredible amount of extant evidence to examine for ourselves, without being forced to rely on (the heavily politicized and disincentivized) opinions of historians. The correct approach is therefore to treat the Holocaust as a crime. You're playing historian when you should be playing detective.

I'm not saying that we should only defer to the views of people who are professional historians. That would be a slightly more advanced form of an argument from authority. What I am saying is that, when the consensus of professional historians is one way (and nobody with a relevant degree thinks otherwise), then there are probably some very good reasons to hold to that view. In terms of the number of accounts, you're misrepresenting the number by saying "a few dozen." There are literally hundreds of thousands, from guards, commandants, prisoners, etc.

On a less important note, David Irving was never all that well-respected. He wrote one good book, about the V-Weapons project, and pretty much everything else he's written is either pro-German apologetics or historically shoddy.

(09-05-2017 07:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  As detectives, we are interested primarily in evidence. Any working detective or prosecutor will tell you that physical and forensic evidence are the grade-A standard for securing a conviction. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable and often breaks down under cross examination. What I have essentially been doing in this thread is cross-examining the eyewitness testimony of Holocaust survivors who claim to have seen gas chambers, ghoulish medical experiments, blood geysers, human lampshades and other such heinous things. As I have shown repeatedly, almost all of this testimony has serious flaws for a number of reasons. Further, when examining the actual forensic evidence we have from the alleged death camps, we find nothing that would indicate the existence of gas chambers. These forensic tools include chemical analysis of the alleged gas chamber walls, the inadequate construction and design of the crematoria and "gas chambers" to physically accommodate the number of victims proposed, ground penetrating radar used on the site of alleged mass graves and the numerous claims which are simply physically impossible (i.e. burning thousands of bodies in pits with the fat from the bodies themselves as the only fuel, gassing and cremating multiple thousands of persons per day in camps with only 8 crematory ovens, gassing and burying hundreds of thousands of people and then later exhuming the bodies and burning them, etc...).

Yes, you're basically doing what I'm accusing you of: casting doubt on the narrative but not really providing any cogent alternative. I've been hammering at that point for the entire thread, by the way. In addition, much of your counter-evidence is either a) discredited or b) problematic. You're relying on the Leuchter Report, which has been pretty systematically taken apart, as shown here:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/i...-research/

"For you yourselves are aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2)
09-05-2017 08:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Messages In This Thread
Holocaust fact finding thread - Valentine - 12-31-2016, 01:57 AM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-01-2017, 10:14 PM
RE: The Holocaust (Holohoax?) Thread - Sp5 - 01-02-2017, 04:05 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-02-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-02-2017, 10:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 01-03-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 12:33 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - atlant - 01-03-2017, 01:17 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-03-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:11 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - XPQ22 - 01-07-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Delta - 01-17-2017, 07:25 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-17-2017, 02:23 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 02-20-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 03-01-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Menace - 04-12-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-12-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-01-2017, 01:08 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-02-2017, 11:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 01:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 09-03-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-03-2017, 01:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-03-2017, 02:00 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 06:14 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Truth Teller - 09-05-2017 08:49 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Zep - 09-05-2017, 11:43 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 08:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 09:10 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-05-2017, 09:21 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 09-06-2017, 12:25 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Laska - 09-06-2017, 12:42 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 09-06-2017, 12:33 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Nowak - 09-11-2017, 02:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 01-28-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 01-27-2018, 06:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 01-29-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Ruslan - 01-29-2018, 04:53 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:05 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-11-2018, 02:04 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-11-2018, 03:20 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Dusty - 04-12-2018, 07:42 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 04-12-2018, 10:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-13-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-14-2018, 07:17 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 04-13-2018, 11:45 AM
RE: Holohoax - blck - 05-24-2018, 02:01 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 06:00 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 01:50 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-15-2018, 01:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Kona - 04-15-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 04-17-2018, 03:12 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 04-19-2018, 12:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Suits - 05-02-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - kamoz - 05-19-2018, 07:52 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Lika - 05-23-2018, 03:15 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - fokker - 05-20-2018, 04:04 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - nola - 05-23-2018, 04:22 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:06 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 07-26-2018, 03:55 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 08-02-2018, 01:06 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - storm - 10-22-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-23-2018, 01:34 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 01:54 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - Teedub - 10-24-2018, 02:56 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 10-25-2018, 10:15 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - rotekz - 10-27-2018, 04:00 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 10-25-2018, 10:24 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - amity - 11-08-2018, 08:33 AM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 11-08-2018, 09:00 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 04-06-2019, 04:48 PM
RE: Holocaust fact finding thread - 911 - 04-07-2019, 01:11 PM

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  20-30% of dads in UK are finding out that they are NOT the father Roosh 53 10,240 06-02-2019 05:33 AM
Last Post: Cumlluminates
  Does anybody find it odd Bernie Saunders doesn't have a woah is me holocaust schtick quaker13 14 3,013 02-26-2019 04:03 AM
Last Post: Sp5
  I’m an Ugly Loser and I’m starting a Youtube Channel around that fact. UglyLoser 39 9,027 04-22-2018 11:15 AM
Last Post: Cr33pin

Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication