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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
(09-05-2017 11:02 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 09:12 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Note, I pointed out the Wannsee conference protocols in detail here, and TT has not responded. The Wannsee protocols are claimed to be where the nazis planned the Holocaust but few people read it. Then when you actually read it, it's nothing like historians would have you think.

You're getting to a good issue and one that I'd like to discuss. In Holocaust studies (which is a subfield of history), there are two broad camps, called functionalism and intentionalism. Intentionalism supposes that the process was "top down," Hitler gave orders to the SS/SA/Wehrmacht generals, they gave orders down the hierarchy and then the killings started. This was a very popular view between (roughly) 1945 and the 1970s/early 80s. This is where a lot of the question of "was there a specific written order?" comes from, and that's why that question (of specific documentary evidence) was pursued for so long, apparently to no avail.

The other view is that of functionalism, that the process was basically bottom up. So far as I can tell (this is not my subfield; my subfield is something else, actually), this is the majority view today. This view supposes that the process really didn't start with Hitler and the Nazis, it started at the grassroots level, as many anti-Semitic movements have throughout the ages.

Wikipedia is not a good source, but the article is actually decently referenced. If I were forced to classify myself, I'm between the synthetic view and the moderate intentionalist view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional...#Synthesis

The Wannsee conference minutes are known to be misleading, as there was a desire to avoid putting references to mass genocide in it.

What primary sources do you want to see? 99% of them are available online.

Two fields of study trying to make a narrative without evidence work is all i'm reading here. "Since there's no evidence of a top down order then let's see if we can make a bottom up narrative work". Then just say "Ze germans were being careful not to note their genocidal plans formally". You can't prove a negative so of course this unprobvable claim is the cornerstone of the reasoning.

Sounds to me like an academic thesis created because it's a slam dunk for getting a Ph.d

Subfields of Holocaust study? Give me a break. This gets more absurd by the minute.

Imagine for a moment; Nazis who think they are going to rule the world carefully avoiding any written references to killing off all the jews only just in case they....fail in ruling the world.

Everything else was carefully accounted for but not that!

These Germans only used their incredible efficiency to destroy all evidence of their very inefficient mass genocide methods.

This is what happens when you have historians creating narratives; they know nothing about actual logistics.

How do you explain away Scorpion's point about all the coal needed to incinerate all of these millions of bodies? And during a war being fought on multiple fronts?

Could they be that stupid to divert those sorts of resources just to exterminating people they had already nuetralized?

What about the discrepancies in the Anne Frank Diary?

You don't acknowledge any of that.

We were meant for far more than to suffer in our self created prisons only to die alone. It doesn't have to be that way. It never did.
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