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(11-27-2017 12:07 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I would recommend everyone listening to this talk by David Irving - start at 01:30 hours where he goes into the Holocoust issue as the other parts are concerned with his personal life.





https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/David...er%20.html

Personally I consider the issue whether Hitler knew about the Jewish extermination not overly relevant. It could very well be that Hitler was like a politician not overly anti-semitic. There are historians now out there in Austria who said so about his time in Vienna. Also there are some strange orders and anomalies where he tries to protect the Jewish people at times or calls their treatment in his last will "more humane than the Allied bombings of civilians".

What I find more interesting is the account of Irving and the sources he quotes - deputy commander of Ausschwitz, also other documents regarding the operation Reinhardt as well as deliberate fake documents in the letters especially of Himmler despite the fact that Himmler knew what has been happening.

On Ausschwitz:

+ the total numbers of deaths are estimated to have been up to 300.000 since this was a labor camp. The deputy commander confirms that there was a White House and a Black House where even gas-murders happened when they got a "shipment" of frail, sick or old Jews from the Reich. Then they put in sometimes 200 people into those rooms and used the same gas that was applied for the de-lousing. The massive crematoriums and gas-chambers that you can visit were created in 1948.

+ But - and this is a big but to the so-called real complete irrational revisionists - there were massive extermination camps in the East.

[Image: 222px-WW2-Holocaust-Poland.png]

Those camps were part of a deliberate money-grab and extermination operation. Irving found plenty of documents detailing even the numbers of watches, golden teeth, valuables they confiscated before the Jewish people were transported to those 3 major extermination camps. There is nothing to see there as there are only big green patches. But Irving quotes the texts and documents which state that at least 1.2 million Jews were killed in the Operation Reinhardt just in the year 1942. In 1943 the estimates according to the monetary flows are about 1 mio. So even if you assume that the operation was cut short due to the progress of the war in the east, you can easily make the claim that at least 3-4 mio. were systematically targeted and killed in major extermination camps.

The question is why make Ausschwitz such a sight?

Personally I think that the movers and shakers preferred to pick a location where the buildings remained, that was close to a major tourist city and where they could sort of create a tourist-friendly location.

There are Himmler letters where he wrote that the Reinhardt camps should be razed and the land given to a Ukraine farmer after they were done. There are Himmler letters where he jokingly corresponded with a major Reich doctor that there were no cancer deaths in the concentration camps and whether they had stumbled upon a cure of cancer - sick psychopath that he was.

Personally I prefer to have truth reign supreme. I consider Irving to be the more credible historian - though even he is basing his conclusions on information he has access to. There is probably another level if he could sift through the CFR archives or the Ford Foundation archives in New York, but I doubt that he would find there that the extermination camps in East Europe and the mass shootings of almost all Jews in cities like Minsk never happened. He knows that they happened because at times Irving talked with SS commanders who personally said that they killed sometimes 2000 Jewish folk in one day. Just drove them to the woods and machine gunned them down in pits.

In my book that is terrible enough. Though not terrible to doom an entire people now. Especially when you find out that many Wehrmacht generals did not even know what was happening to their Jewish co-workers and friends.

It's really strange if you think about it. The real victims of the Holocoust died in millions to the east in nameless graves and razed camps while they picked a labor camp that had a swimming pool and a brothel in it and show this as the ultimate sign of evil. True evil is most often silent and the victors paint the history they want to have. In a way I could even understand their pick of the location as it rammed home the point in a better way than the grass-fields on the Ukrainian border could, but still...

In any case - I recommend you guys listen to Irving - to the last 45 minutes.

The funny part is that I have Jewish family and will be looking to get some property in Israel. But to touch this subjects with Jewish buddies will be even tougher - though we will see.

I agree Irving is excellent, but didn't he go back on a lot of the things he said in recent years just to get some peace?





Incoming deluge:

This bishop went to jail for it:





This brave elderly German woman just recently went to jail for it and will die there.





This British historian go his arse kicked to the curb for it and the book he wrote. Particularly good articulate interview.






When Irving talks about only enough coke visible to burn a single days worth of bodies from aerial photographs EVER SEEN....that was what my brain start to remould on this idea and I couldn't get enough. I'm only interested in WHAT CAN PHYSICALLY HAPPEN AND IS POSSIBLE, by eliminating what's not possible, not what many people thought or would prefer to have happened!

Whatever abuses the Germans did was more than paid for (a sickening shaky tenuous premise at the best of times) by the fucking horror and that's right....holocaust the average person suffered afterwards when the Allies decided to have a go at ethically cleansing the country from history.

"You have them beat well? Fair enough."

"But hey lets stop at that, lets leave a hole so deep in their cultural memory it'll never be erased, why not firestorm civilians just to melt them, run them over reverse over them just to make sure." Sticking the knife in and and then twisting it.

And the horror is few will ever know or even care if they did.
No apology could ever make up for it anyway.

No surprise that Churchill's military staff were aghast at the some of the shit they were being ordered to do and had to get out.

This is one of the only books that made me openly heartbroken in a depression for days afterwards, the descriptions make hell more homely. Strong stomach needed. I have never found so hard to progress in a book, not wanting to turn the next page but almost impossbile to put down at the same time. Some very graphic descriptions of horrible, inhuman behavior, absent the justifying propaganda we have been fed as truth. I'm getting jittery just thinking about it now. I know you men here are of tougher ilk then the average person but I still have to warn you.

From a review on Amazon:

Allies of the West with their air power - carpet bombing, flatten every city on it's path, bombs were designed to exterminate mass population. Allies of the East with wave of men power to destruct every life on the ground - physically and psychologically. None of atrocities from Allies happened at random, it must had calculated, planed before the war even began, systematically executed. Make concentration camps almost too “humane”.

This book is brutally shocking in its eye-witness accounts of what happened to German citizens and soldiers as their nation fell to the Allies in World War Two. Many of these stories have never been told - particularly the role that the Western Powers played in the complete destruction of German civilian cities and the utter subjugation of the country's non-combatants. To those who think it was only the Russians who savaged Germany's women and children in the race to conquer Nazi Europe, think again. This is an eye-opening and unforgettable read -- a tragedy of epic proportions.


https://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-N...=hellstorm

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