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(04-13-2018 11:00 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  73 years have now passed since the end of world war 2.
Thats almost 3 generations.

By this time, and with the modern technology available, it should be possible to give a name and some personal details (date of birth, last place of residence before disappearance or arrest) to every single one of 6 million who died or vanished using both local archive records of lists of residents across europe, and testimonies of leftover family & relatives.

Despite this, the official holocaust name databases that exist only reach 4 and half million names at most. Among those 4 and half million, many of those listed are duplicates of the same exact people due to spelling variations cause of transliteration variances from the cyrillic script and from other eastern european languages. A small portion may also be duplicated cause some people used different names (fake identities) in wartime in order to evade being arrested, deported and/or killed, but were caught anyway.

Added to that many listed in the database may not have not have been killed in camps, but died due to wartime consequences such as:

-starvation in cities & towns due lack of food,
-disease in cities & towns due to poor sanitation cause of wartime fighting,
-German or american air force bombings,
-Russians/Soviets military action (either through the red army attacking/invading cities, or by deportation to gulags in siberia) when they invaded eastern europe.
(The number of jews that died in russian soviet gulags 1939 to 1953 during Stalin's time has never been really clarified. There is no names database for this. Many "nazi victims" may have actually disappeared/died in Russia.)



The numbers claimed just don't add up.


Of course, a lower number killed doesn't disprove the holocaust, but when you are caught misleading people about important historical details like numbers of those killed (& how and where they they died) more than once, then people will naturally start questioning everything else you tell them.

You're making assumptions that can't be supported by the extant historical evidence. The war happened to destroy public records, both deliberately and not so deliberately (e.g. when the Wehrmacht archive was bombed during the bombing of Berlin). Many E. European cities, particularly in Poland but also in the Baltic states, were significantly damaged by the war. 85% of Warsaw was destroyed.

Not everyone who was murdered was killed in a camp. Prior to 1942, the Nazis would often round up Jews, march them into the forest, force them to dig a trench, then machine gun them. They were not keeping records of who they rounded up and shot. Again, Christopher Browning's Police Battalion 101 is a classic study of this issue.

The ghetto system notoriously bred disease and hunger, with rations being far from sufficient. These are the results of deliberate Nazi action, as the Nazis knew what concentrating populations in small spaces would do.

This is how the process worked during Barbarossa:

1. The German army captures a city, through whatever means.

2. The regular army moves out

3. The Einsatzgruppen show up, with the ostensible goal of "identifying security risks."

4. Jews are ordered to report to a central location, often a civic building or a major landmark.

5. The Einsatzgruppen take the Jews out of the city to a convenient, secluded place, then execute them. Step 5 repeats until all the Jews are dead.

By the time the Red Army counter-offensives began, especially in Poland and W. Russia, most of the Jews were either dead or in camps. Virtually all of the ghettoes were "liquidated" by late 1943/early 1944.

"For you yourselves are aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2)
04-14-2018 02:12 PM
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