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RE: North Korea Conflict Thread
(05-05-2017 11:41 AM)Robert High Hawk Wrote:  The problem he points out, which is valid, is that if history is any guide, Trump's compromises are certainly going to backfire, as they have already to China, and this will put the US in a very tight spot. Once the US loses it's foothold in Asia, it will be very difficult to get it back. Maybe impossible.

I agree that losing our foothold in Asia is probably bad for the US (I'm coming around to the opinion that we should probably just leave anyway and let the Asians handle their own problems, but I haven't fully thought this out yet so let's stick with that as our premise.) But if that's the case, what is happening in Asia that's going to cause us to lose our foothold? Our influence in Asia isn't dependent on those stupid islands the Chinese are taking.

Put into broad terms, I think the US foothold in Asia can be defined by these three things:
1.) Positive relationships with the majority of the Asian economies: Japan, SK, to a lesser degree the Philippines, etc. Maybe India depending on how loose you want to get with your definitions.
2.) Our military presence in Japan and SK.
3.) Heavy trade ties with all Asian economies.

My head's still a little foggy this morning so I might be missing something, but any list is going to look something like that.

What is going to happen in the next four years that's going to weaken any of these things? If anything, our foothold in Asia has been greatly strengthened over the past 4 months as Trump's been patching up relationships with Duterte in the Phillipines. Obama was up in his ass over some human rights bullshit, and threatening to drive him right into China's arms, but Trump seems to have totally reversed that trend.

Ironically, one thing that could weaken the US's presence in Asia would be a successful resolution to the North Korean mess, which would deprive the US's SK bases of their raison d'etre in a time when the US is looking to make budget cuts. If China wanted to decrease the US's influence in Asia, one way to do it would be giving Trump exactly what he wants.
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2017 12:00 PM by SamuelBRoberts.)
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RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Laner - 06-13-2018, 12:09 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-13-2018, 01:25 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Suits - 06-13-2018, 01:49 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-13-2018, 11:27 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - fokker - 06-13-2018, 07:54 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - kaotic - 06-13-2018, 12:22 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Arado - 06-13-2018, 02:32 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-13-2018, 04:11 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Arado - 06-13-2018, 06:49 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-13-2018, 07:27 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Arado - 06-13-2018, 08:07 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Rush87 - 06-13-2018, 08:24 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Fortis - 06-13-2018, 09:39 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Fortis - 06-14-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-14-2018, 01:21 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Laner - 06-14-2018, 02:57 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Fortis - 06-14-2018, 05:52 AM
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RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Belgrano - 06-14-2018, 12:59 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Suits - 06-14-2018, 10:39 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Suits - 06-15-2018, 08:00 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-15-2018, 01:25 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Kurgan - 06-15-2018, 06:39 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Suits - 06-16-2018, 12:23 AM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - LeBeau - 06-16-2018, 02:03 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Samseau - 06-18-2018, 02:38 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - BlueMark - 06-20-2018, 07:22 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Suits - 06-27-2018, 10:18 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-27-2018, 11:48 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MrLemon - 06-29-2018, 12:57 AM
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RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - nanobyte - 07-04-2018, 06:21 AM
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RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - MidJack - 07-26-2018, 10:11 PM
RE: North Korea Conflict Thread - Gmac - 07-27-2018, 06:44 AM
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