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RE: Elon Musk is falling apart
(08-17-2018 11:52 AM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I think Tesla is the next Theranos. I think it will fail within the next 6 to 12 months and Musk will go the same way as Delorean. I suspect the reason why SpaceX is doing so well in comparison to Tesla is that Musk is not involved in the day to day operation of SpaceX. The rocket engineers have been given pretty much free rein to do what they need to do to develop low cost space transportation and are doing so by doing essentially what my friends and I came up with as the proper strategy over 20 years ago. That is to stick with conventional rocket technology and focus on making the first stage reusable, followed by the second stage, all the while improving the manufacturing technology in making the rockets. The other reason why I think SpaceX is doing so well compared to Tesla is because, paradoxically, I think it easier to develop and manufacture reusable rockets than it is to make a reliable car as consumer product and manufacture millions of them to exacting standards. Making rockets from a manufacturing standpoint can possibly be easier because you're making only one or two of them at a time and are not trying to get the per unit cost (cost of good sold) down to a fine level. From a cost standpoint, there is way more "slop" to play with.

Remember that Musk, personally, is a marketing guy with some IT skills. His claim to fame was being one of the principles in Paypal where he was the marketing guy. Peter Thiel was the technical brain behind paypal and was their overall "brain" behind the outfit. Musk is a bright guy. But he does not personally have the engineering and technical experience or knowledge to understand the issues and processes of making an electric car or developing a reusable rocket. If Musk is falling apart its because he is way in over his head with his various companies, especially Tesla.

It's even worse than you mention; Tesla is the biggest Ponzi scheme in all of history, worse than Theranos, worse than Bernie Madoff, even worse than Toshiba's current FUBAR debacles. Elon Musk has been running a Ponzi scheme by selling unprofitable cars and promising profitability just around the corner to keep the thing afloat with government subsidies and stock dilution money raises by fish who believe in the con.

Now, the company is almost bankrupt, he needs more money from somewhere to keep the whole thing afloat, but the problem is that he ran the con so damn well these past 15 years that it has gotten too big to save at this point. Hence his last Hail Mary at announcing a private buyout plan that nobody in this planet has the money or will to support.

Elon also has most of his wealth tied to Tesla's gigantic stock price, and when that comes crashing down he's going to end up becoming a broke nobody, stuck in prison with Bernie Madoff. The cocaine and ambien fueled tweet rages and outright insanity we're seeing are tells that he's going down, he knows it, and he knows there is fuck all he can do about it.

I have placed roughly a third of my networth betting against Tesla now. 6-12 months sounds about right, but it may implode a lot sooner than that.
(This post was last modified: 08-20-2018 02:44 AM by Mr. Accuride.)
08-20-2018 02:35 AM
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