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RE: The RVF worst-case-scenario survival/preparedness thread.
(03-10-2019 02:54 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  ...
I get your point, but would hardly refer to Geoff Lawton as a hobby farmer.

He is the most successful and famous permaculturist in the world.

He is a farmer, albeit a regenerative one.

He would be the guy selling you vegetables and beef, if he felt like it, because, except for doctors and some machined products, he is completely self sufficient.

@Duke Main.

Yeah, Salatin is good too.

The achilles heel of many permaculture farms is that they make most of their money off permaculture classes and consulting and not what they produce.

There are some who have figured out a way to make a good living off what they produce, but it just isn't as productive as conventional farming. Monocrops and petroleum based fertilizers, despite their negative effect on the environment, are just better suited to the capitalist system we live in.

With a little extra money there's no reason you can't do both. One of the ways to get the best of both worlds is to live in a rural town and perma-culture a small to medium plot on the outskirts somewhere, but as you said it's not going to be a viable business. Not for a very long time.

Declines preceding collapses are tricky. As I made clear in the beginning of the thread you absolutely should NOT compromise your entire life preparing for something that you can't say for sure will happen on any certain timeline, or maybe even at all.

Geoff Lawton is doing what he loves, and if he buys a small house in the local town then he's set for if a true collapse of law and order sets in. From what I can tell even if some hoard of hungry rovers came through his property they'd get that season's produce but there'd be something else to harvest a month after that anyway. You just really don't want to be on the property when that group of 100 starving people roams in.

(03-10-2019 04:43 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  Really useful video, but SHTF his neighbours will just kill him and take his shit. You need guns and sons if you're going to have assets.

Even if you could cut the mob to ribbons then a third are going to be women and a third are going to be children. That's what the real benefit of a small, fenced city-state arrangement is. You can repel roamers as a group and take group responsibility. If you're homesteading then you might get the prepper fantasy wet-dream of rude, unshaven ne'er-do-wells assaulting your compound with storm-trooper style expendability but more likely you're going to have a bunch of bedraggled men standing at the end of your driveway while the women and children walk up to your house waving a white flag. What then?

Homesteading. Don't do it unless it floats your boat on a lifestyle basis, and even then have a fallback plan if everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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