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(03-26-2012 05:07 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Some would say the wild conjecture is that there is a marxist conspiracy to take our guns away and impose a totalitarian state.
Hmmm, let's see. Some of the largest cities make it all but impossible for you to carry a firearm - NYC, Chicago, DC. Several states are 'may issue' rather than 'shall issue'. We had a 10yr assault weapons ban (and the public was totally misled about what constitutes an 'assault weapon'), a permanent assault weapons ban in Massachusetts (thank you Mitt Romney). Confiscation of legally owned guns during aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I could go on. You are obviously not a concealed carry license holder. Go talk to a friend who carries (legally) or owns one of these so-called 'assault rifles' and ask him what he thinks.

(03-26-2012 05:07 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  And frankly I'd rather run away from a thug than get shot in the face and have the cops let the guy go because he's the one left alive to make up the story about what happened.
It's not about what you'd rather do. It's about what the law requires you to do. Look, in most cases where some thug is looking to intimidate me, I'll probably retreat. But I don't want that to be a legal requirement. I want the option to stand my ground.
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I've become increasingly more cynical about race relations in this country as I have grown older and learned more about them. I remember growing up with the hope that my life (and those of others like me) would be considered as valuable as that of any similarly-aged caucasian in this country. For a time, I was even firmly convinced that it already was. Alas, my faith in the ability of blacks and whites within the United States to actually stamp out discrimination in that manner and build a legitimately "post-racial America" (a term I now and forever will consider an oxymoron) has declined significantly. I had a feeling that it had hit rock bottom, though I wasn't sure if it could go lower.

This thread has dropped it a bit further. As I mentioned before, I wasn't sure if that was even possible, so I'd like to thank some of the posters in here for clearing that up.

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(03-26-2012 05:54 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  
(03-26-2012 05:48 PM)Kona Wrote:  Did they put a hit out on him?

I don't understand.

Aloha!

According to the website, it's for someone to make a legal citizen's arrest for murder/hate crime.

I see. Mahalo.

(03-26-2012 05:54 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  I've become increasingly more cynical about race relations in this country as I have grown older and learned more about them. I remember growing up with the hope that my life (and those of others like me) would be considered as valuable as that of any similarly-aged caucasian in this country. For a time, I was even firmly convinced that it already was. Alas, my faith in the ability of blacks and whites within the United States to actually stamp out discrimination in that manner and build a legitimately "post-racial America" (a term I now and forever will consider an oxymoron) has declined significantly. I had a feeling that it had hit rock bottom, though I wasn't sure if it could go lower.

This thread has dropped it a bit further. As I mentioned before, I wasn't sure if that was even possible, so I'd like to thank some of the posters in here for clearing that up.

And you're still in college, McGinnis.

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(03-26-2012 10:09 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  "Act like a Thug Die like one!"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/orle...28497.html

I've noticed commenters are basically saying they are already sick of this story, which is funny to me because these same people have been listening to stories about JonBenet Ramsey for the last 16 years.
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(03-26-2012 10:46 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(03-26-2012 10:09 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  "Act like a Thug Die like one!"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/orle...28497.html

I've noticed commenters are basically saying they are already sick of this story, which is funny to me because these same people have been listening to stories about JonBenet Ramsey for the last 16 years.

you guys are fucking pathetic. seriously, all you want to do is blame others and bitch about how unfair it is. first of all, most people stopped giving a fuck about jon benet ramsey 20 years ago. secondly, the only reason people gave a shit in the first place is that it was a big mystery. seriously, to this day no one knows what happened. when you have uncertainty like that you have curiousity. who did it? no one has any idea. do you think people cared because she was white? no. they cared because 1) the dont know the answer and 2) they thought it was really fucking weird how people paraded around 2 year olds in beauty pageants. in fact, they thought it was so fucking weird it spawned a whole new genre of ridiculousness. the more i read the more ridiculous this whole trayvon thing has gotten. after 5 days of seeing pictures of a 12 year old black kid and a guy in a prison jumpsuit and actually examining the facts the story you are being sold is so far beyond ridiculous its comical. little harmless trayvon who was just minding his own business and getting some skittles and an iced tea was actually a 6'3 150 football playing, drug dealing wanna be gangsta suspended from school who cold cocked a 30something mexican, jumped on top of him, slammed his head into the concrete, then got shot by a guy defending himself.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/w...rug-dealer

at what point does Zimmerman think to himself "hmm, one more time getting my skull slammed into the concrete and my brains are going start leaking out like a cocunut?" everyone who defended Trayvon should feel like fucking idiots who have once again been suckered and played for fools by the media who think you are too clueless to figure the truth out on your own. Meanwhile, while the Black Panthers were putting a bounty on a 'white hispanic' (whatever the fuck that means) for having the gall to ask a guy he didnt recognize what he was doing in his neighborhood after a string of robberies, 49 people were shot in Chicago this weekend.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...ogers-park
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JonBenet died in 1996, surely you can prove to us that your math is better.

Your Trayvon "sources" are racist websites with fake pictures and fake profiles.

Why would a real Trayvon site say he's 19 and Native American and it was last logged into today?

They've already proven the other pics are of a kid from Georgia.

You sound like you're ready to have a heart attack.

Go get a bag of Pop Chips and a Snapple and chill out.
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(03-26-2012 11:13 PM)Brian Wrote:  Meanwhile, while the Black Panthers were putting a bounty on a 'white hispanic' (whatever the fuck that means) for having the gall to ask a guy he didnt recognize what he was doing in his neighborhood after a string of robberies,

I think it's rather telling that that man's own white father basically came out there and said he's not White, he's Hispanic. That's the definition of throwing someone under the bus, especially in THIS society -- btw his mother is Peruvian, all of us Latinos are not Mexican.


(03-26-2012 11:13 PM)Brian Wrote:  49 people were shot in Chicago this weekend.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...ogers-park

And I got my dick sucked around 6:30 by a thick Boricua, what does that have to do with anything?
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(03-26-2012 11:29 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(03-26-2012 11:13 PM)Brian Wrote:  Meanwhile, while the Black Panthers were putting a bounty on a 'white hispanic' (whatever the fuck that means) for having the gall to ask a guy he didnt recognize what he was doing in his neighborhood after a string of robberies,

I think it's rather telling that that man's own white father basically came out there and said he's not White, he's Hispanic. That's the definition of throwing someone under the bus, especially in THIS society -- btw his mother is Peruvian, all of us Latinos are not Mexican.


(03-26-2012 11:13 PM)Brian Wrote:  49 people were shot in Chicago this weekend.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...ogers-park

And I got my dick sucked around 6:30 by a thick Boricua, what does that have to do with anything?

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The hoodie didnt get him killed but Americas lax gun laws. That is the pink elephant here

Gabriela Gifford, columbine, Virginia tech and so it goes on...

Don't expect jaw droppings mindless deaths to stop in the USA anytime soon...

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(03-26-2012 05:14 PM)Brian Wrote:  
(03-26-2012 05:07 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  So if Z listens to the police and doesn't follow him, we wouldn't have this mess?

it never ceases to amaze me how far people will go to avoid responsibility.

I don't understand your comment about responsibility. Are you saying you feel it would have been irresponsible to follow the instructions of the law enforcement official?

IMO, Z felt empowered to chase after T because he was strapped. He made the 911 call and should have left it up to the police to follow-up.

I don't know what happened after the call so I can't say as far as the shooting. But this whole thing could have been avoided, regardless of the race angle.
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As an aside, I wonder when Skittles is coming out with the Trayvon flavor. I'm sure the makers have seen a bump in their stock price because of this. I wonder if anyone saw this and is making money.

The same could be said for the Mitt Romney Etch A Sketch edition.

I also see that Trayvon's parents have trademarked certain phrases using his name.
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(03-26-2012 11:21 PM)jariel Wrote:  JonBenet died in 1996, surely you can prove to us that your math is better.

Your Trayvon "sources" are racist websites with fake pictures and fake profiles.

Why would a real Trayvon site say he's 19 and Native American and it was last logged into today?

They've already proven the other pics are of a kid from Georgia.

You sound like you're ready to have a heart attack.

Go get a bag of Pop Chips and a Snapple and chill out.

Those pictures are definitely not fake. The facial features match up. The picture that's been spread through most news stories doesn't look like a 17 year old to me.

The mainstream press is starting to report on his background and I expect we will hear a lot more - http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/27...ayvon.html

I'm going to take a guess at what happened, Zimmerman confronted the kid, possibly physically, they got in to a fight, and Zimmerman shot him. That is how a lot of people end up in prison for homicide.

We have a black president and a black attorney general. If Zimmerman doesn't go to jail then the whole thing was just a media circus.

I don't think the problem has anything to do with gun laws. The problem is racist and incompetent cops -- and there are a lot of them out there. Most of these guys are one step up from thugs. Gun prohibition isn't going to get rid of racist cops.
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(03-27-2012 11:02 AM)babelfish669 Wrote:  Gun prohibition isn't going to get rid of racist cops.
In fact, it would leave only two groups of people with guns - the government and the criminals. For those in favor of gun control, ask yourself if you trust those groups to share a duopoly on violence.
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The most pathetic part of this shooting was that it was hispanic on black crime, and yet all we hear is white intolerance of blacks.


White on black relations had nothing to do with Trayvon. The reality is that this was minority on minority violence. Rio de Janeiro comes to the USA. Yet all of the black profiteers in this country wanted to exploit Trayvon's death, so they've blown it out of proportion.

"Racial hatred in the USA AAAAHHHH"

However, they picked the wrong guy; Zimmerman was a Hispanic. Whites all over the nation are just rolling their eyes at this incident.

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(03-27-2012 12:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The most pathetic part of this shooting was that it was hispanic on black crime, and yet all we hear is white intolerance of blacks.

However, they picked the wrong guy; Zimmerman was a Hispanic. Whites all over the nation are just rolling their eyes at this incident.

You understand that the term "Hispanic" does not denote a racial group, and that there are in fact white Hispanics, right?

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(03-27-2012 11:02 AM)babelfish669 Wrote:  Those pictures are definitely not fake. The facial features match up. The picture that's been spread through most news stories doesn't look like a 17 year old to me.

The mainstream press is starting to report on his background and I expect we will hear a lot more - http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/27...ayvon.html

The pictures are real, but the Miami New Times has already come out with their report stating that they aren't pictures of Trayvon.

Even if they were, what do they prove?

All these reports that are coming out to implement the blame the victim strategy are ridiculous, and are just classic examples of institutional racism.

What does being suspended from school for non-violent, non-criminal behavior have to do with being a murder victim?

If Trayvon had a past that demonstrated a propensity towards violence, it would be relevant, because then it would be consistent with Zimmerman's account of how he acted towards him.

However, it is the shooter who has a past that includes two domestic violence reports and a physical altercation with the police, but we're wasting time talking about incidents regarding weed and graffiti?

That's just insulting our intelligence.
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(03-27-2012 12:15 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 12:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The most pathetic part of this shooting was that it was hispanic on black crime, and yet all we hear is white intolerance of blacks.

However, they picked the wrong guy; Zimmerman was a Hispanic. Whites all over the nation are just rolling their eyes at this incident.

You understand that the term "Hispanic" does not denote a racial group, and that there are in fact white Hispanics, right?

I googled the word Hispanic, and the first two results that came up were

"Hispanic scholarship fund" and "Hispanic heritage month"


Pretty interesting that a non-existent racial group gets its own scholarships and heritage months.


And are white Hispanics like mulattoes? Since skin color is such an integral part of racial classification, it doesn't really matter what shade they are, does it?

All people care about is the color of your skin.

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(03-27-2012 12:15 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 12:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The most pathetic part of this shooting was that it was hispanic on black crime, and yet all we hear is white intolerance of blacks.

However, they picked the wrong guy; Zimmerman was a Hispanic. Whites all over the nation are just rolling their eyes at this incident.

You understand that the term "Hispanic" does not denote a racial group, and that there are in fact white Hispanics, right?

Your statement is a bit disingenuous. Sure, technically "Hispanic" doesn't denote a racial group. Yet for most people I know "Hispanic" instantly conjures up "Mexican" or "Latino".

And it's safe to say Zimmerman - physically - looks "Hispanic", i.e. Latino, mestizo, brown, et cetera.
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http://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-shooting...56052.html

Wisconsin shooting puts "castle" law under scrutiny

MILWAUKEE (Reuters) - The decision by authorities not to charge a homeowner who shot dead an unarmed black man in a small Wisconsin town three weeks ago has drawn scrutiny to the state's new "castle doctrine" law and comparisons to the Trayvon Martin shooting in Florida.

Authorities ruled the killing of Bo Morrison, 20, by a Slinger, Wisconsin, homeowner on his porch justifiable in possibly the first such case under an expanded castle doctrine law enacted late last year, prosecutors said.

The law allows homeowners facing imminent danger to their lives to protect themselves using deadly force if necessary.
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