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City: Seoul, South Korea
Currency: Korean Won (Around 1100KRW=1 US Dollar)


City Overview:

I've been here for about two months now, and I feel like I have a good grasp of the culture and city. Seoul is the capital city of South Korea, and very much it's economic, political, and cultural center. It's a huge city of more than 10,000,000 people with a lot to do. Some parts of the city seem like it came out of a sci-fi movie, yet others parts, mostly on the outskirts, are very rural. There are both foreigners and native Koreans that live and work here. Both are pretty open to meeting foreigners under the right circumstances. Will touch on this later.

You'll most likely fly into Incheon International, which is located in the western-most part of the city.

Girls:

If you like asian girls, this is your heaven. I haven't seen this concentration of sexy and feminine asian girls ever in my life. They are different than their Korean-American counterparts. They are more feminine, less career-oriented, and are not huge overacheivers. However, most are very educated, but at the same time can be very immature. They also love to cook for their men. The downside is that some can be very traditional and you'll run into virgins once in a while. Also, some girls don't shave their pubes. I would venture to say that most don't. But it's okay. You can talk them into it pretty easily.

The attractive ones range from thin to curvy with great asses and decent sized tits. Real curvy, not US curvy. In public, you'll see them fashionably dressed and wearing heels.

Touristy Stuff:

Lotte World: It's a small indoor Disney Land type place in the middle of Seoul. Worth Seeing. Good date option.

Everland: Amusement Park that is good for taking a date to if the weather is nice.

Dongdaemoon History and Culture Park and Fashion Market: It is a stop on the 5 line of the metro system. It's worth it to go there and shop, as you'll find some great clothes for decent prices. Most Korean men probably dress better than you if you're coming from the US. I had to completely update my wardrobe when I got here. You can shop at the huge shopping centers during the day, but you can buy cool stuff at much cheaper prices on the street under the little yellow tents that are set up. You can buy off-brand stuff and imitation name brand on the street, but go there around 10:30 PM as they only start setting up around 10. Remember to haggle and ask for a lower price. They start high.

Bike Ride: On the way east side of the city, there is a bike trail leading from Seoul to Busan. There are little government bike service centers that rent bikes for free as long as you have a picture ID. I used my US driver's license. The sights are beautiful and there are little restaurants on the side of the bike trail that serve delicious food. Just ask people how to get to the HanNam River bike trail.

http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1339365

Other than those things, I think the activities mentioned in this article from Time magazine will fill up your time pretty well.

http://www.time.com/time/travel/cityguid...51,00.html

Lodging:
Hotels can be very expensive. I'm not sure how much exactly, since I'm staying with family. I would suggest looking for apartments here. Itaewon, Hongdae, Apgujeong, and Sinchon are great areas to stay as they are close to places with hot girls and you'll be taking taxis at night.
http://www.sublet.com/city_rentals/seoul_rentals.asp

Day game spots:
Sinchon, Hongdae, Apgujeong, and Itaewon have lots of hot girls just walking around and sitting at cafes. Bookstores, shopping, they are just itching to get opened. Hongdae, Sinchon, and Ewha Women's University can all be reached on the 5 line of the metro. Probably the best areas for daygame and they are all right next to each other.

Nightlife spots:
The best places are Hongdae and Itaewon. The best date spots are in Apgujeong. I can't really recommend specific venues, since it's all a blur to me, but if you can't find a decent party in a club or bar walking around those areas you have to be blind. Go to Itaewon if you're looking for an easier hookup. Go to Hongdae if you're looking for a higher concentration of hotter girls. Girls go to Itaewon to hook up with foreigners. There are also international students and english teachers. Some can be very hot.

Other than regular bars and clubs, there are things called booking clubs, which is a bar where you and a bunch of other guys sit at a table and order bottles. The waiter brings girls over and you can talk and exchange numbers. These are girls that want to meet guys and want boyfriends, not prostitutes. It's a little foreign to me, but Koreans say it's because most people meet potential partners through friends and intermediaries, so this is sort of like the speed-dating version. Also, it can get expensive. Bottles can cost hundreds of dollars. I was on a budget, so I never went, but have spoken to guys who do and they tell me it's worth the coin, but three hundred bucks on a bottle isn't gonna break the bank for these guys.

Nightlife can get expensive and the metro system shuts down around 12:30 so taxis are your only option at night. But they are relatively inexpensive. A 30-40 minute cab ride on the freeway was like 30 bucks. They go by distance, not time. If you're staying in one of the neighborhoods I mentioned you won't pay nearly as much. I live about as far east as you can get in Seoul, about an hour to an hour and a half by metro from Sinchon and Hongdae.

Ease of approaching:

Easy if you know how. Don't come on too strong. You must come in under the radar during day game. At first, some girls would get surprised/frightened by me just tapping them on the shoulder. In night venues, offering a drink works well, as does just being fun and high energy. Speak english like you expect that she understands you, even if she doesn't. It'll keep her on her toes. Be polite. Being overly alpha (too loud, too inconsiderate, too douchey) can be taken as you being uneducated and class-less. Being an asshole can get you blown out. I've never once been blown out for being polite. The most important thing to remember is to be nice, yet lead the interaction and maintain control of the frame. Tell her where you are going next and just pull her along. If you come off as weak, these girls can be manipulative, from what I've heard. They will shower you with complements but use you for dinners and never fuck you, so don't be that guy. Also, once you fuck them, they can become pretty attached and annoying. Just tell them you understand, but you come from a different culture.

I've also seen average looking guys with very attractive girls doing very beta things such as holding her purse for her, that would get him laughed at in the US, but I think it might be normal here.

Closing:
Motels or DVD rooms are close by all nightlife areas. They were a lifeline for me, since I'm staying with relatives.


Language barriers:

Can be high outside of the areas I mentioned above. Most Koreans speak at least a little english, but even some university students are not conversational, although the vast majority of them are and love to practice english.

Prices:
Expect to pay NYC prices on everything except Korean food and taxis.

Logistics:
Public transport and walking are great before midnight. Buses and the metro system are both clean, on time, and efficient. But after midnight, they shut down and you have to take cabs. There are little electronic kiosks that you can purchase transport cards from. You also charge them on these kiosks. Trips are about $1.25 each way.

Pros:
Korean girls, Korean food, great shopping, vibrant city, logistics and public transport are easy to learn as most things are also written and announced in english on the public transport system. Great nightlife.

Cons:

Korean guys can turn into huge haters and try to cockblock. They get jealous easily. Korean people can be xenophobic as well.
Without an "in" or a "niche" it can be tough to have an optimal time. Whatever you're into, look for a club or a group on the internet before you arrive. Email them saying you're looking to participate in their group. Whether it be martial arts, music, art, whatever. If you have that "in", they will most likely be very hospitable and want to get to know you, introduce you around, etc.

Final Thoughts:

Seoul is an amazing city with great girls, great food, and great nightlife. It can get pricey, though. Especially the nightlife. Korean society has a very clean image, as in very traditional, but also has a dark underbelly. But that also has a good side and bad side to it. The bad side is that people here can be racist and xenophobic, but if you come from an english speaking country it nullifies it somewhat. The good side is that even though korean society seems traditional, once you crack through, you can fuck as much as you want. Just don't look at these girls as too innocent, or you might get fucked over.

Hope this helped. Any questions, post them below and I'll do my best to answer. For those with anything to add, feel free.
(This post was last modified: 06-05-2012 08:19 AM by UgSlayer.)
06-05-2012 08:02 AM
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RE: Seoul Datasheet
Side note: In two months, I've seen less than 10 obese women. Most of them have been Murka Whale sightings, although I had one encounter with the Australian species on the train.

I remember one of Roosh's twitter posts where he would see a fat woman and pray she wasn't american, but she was every time. The Murka Whale diaspora is vast.
06-05-2012 08:07 AM
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Also, SNL is possible, but more common is banging after a date. I've never been flaked on. I think it's way less common than in other countries.
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Niiice...

I loved it when I was there.

It just struck me that actually, Seoul might not be much more expensive than Bangkok, if you're cooking mainly at home. My guesthouse was about $40 a night in Seouk near Hongdae, pretty much the same as the one I got in central Bangkok.

How about apartments man? Looking at that site, they look pretty reasonable. I know food out is reasonable too (doesnt have the uber-cheap streetfood/food courts of thailand of course, but eating out is reasonable I think?)

And the girls are my favourite asians. I just love Korean girls, beat pretty much every other nation out of the water. Passionate, classy, fiesty, fun, honest, cute.

Hmm. this could be a real consideration for a 2-3 month stint.
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RE: Seoul Datasheet
(06-05-2012 12:17 PM)RichieP Wrote:  Niiice...

I loved it when I was there.

It just struck me that actually, Seoul might not be much more expensive than Bangkok, if you're cooking mainly at home. My guesthouse was about $40 a night in Seouk near Hongdae, pretty much the same as the one I got in central Bangkok.

How about apartments man? Looking at that site, they look pretty reasonable. I know food out is reasonable too (doesnt have the uber-cheap streetfood/food courts of thailand of course, but eating out is reasonable I think?)

And the girls are my favourite asians. I just love Korean girls, beat pretty much every other nation out of the water. Passionate, classy, fiesty, fun, honest, cute.

Hmm. this could be a real consideration for a 2-3 month stint.

Glad you liked the datasheet. I've been living rent free with relatives for the past 2 months, but I'll find some more intel on apartments. I was talking to an America who has been living here for 4 years or so and he lives with roommates and mentioned that some english schools give a housing allowance of 300 thousand won per month. It's supposed to cover rent completely. That is longterm, though. There is street food here, too, and pretty cheap (1-2 dollars). Not the healthiest option, however. Restaurant meals can be had for as little as 5 bucks if you eat at korean restaurants (not barbeque) and drink water. American style restaurants like On the Border, Outback, etc can break the bank, though. I went out with friends to one of these places and spent 30 bucks.
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Good shit man. Thanks.

I've heard/read a few times that Korean guys can be straight punks in Seoul. What happens if a foreign guy get's into a fight with a Korean? Here in Thailand the foreigner will get jumped by basically all the Thai guys who are around. Even if they have never met the Thai guy or you before, they will all jump in. Pussy shit if you ask me, but that's how it goes here. Of course, Thai guys seem mostly to be really mellow and laid back, never been cock blocked by one or had any confrontation.
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I've lived in Japan for years but never been to Korea. Some people love it but most say it's not as easy to score quality women as in Japan. More of them are xenophobic and the guys are assholes. I guess I'll have to see for myself. Korean girls do seem to be among the most attractive in Asia...

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Lived in Korea for a year (Dec 2010 - Dec 2011). Seoul was interesting, and filled to the brim with some pretty ladies but I liked Busan way better.
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(06-06-2012 01:47 AM)DomWasHere Wrote:  Lived in Korea for a year (Dec 2010 - Dec 2011). Seoul was interesting, and filled to the brim with some pretty ladies but I liked Busan way better.

drop a data sheet on busan. I'm thinking of coming back to korea to teach english but I hear getting a better teaching job outside of seoul is much easier.
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(06-06-2012 12:56 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Good shit man. Thanks.

I've heard/read a few times that Korean guys can be straight punks in Seoul. What happens if a foreign guy get's into a fight with a Korean? Here in Thailand the foreigner will get jumped by basically all the Thai guys who are around. Even if they have never met the Thai guy or you before, they will all jump in. Pussy shit if you ask me, but that's how it goes here. Of course, Thai guys seem mostly to be really mellow and laid back, never been cock blocked by one or had any confrontation.

I can only speculate and generalize, but in my experience, Korean guys don't like to fight. They are afraid of the consequences and it's seen as low class. They would rather talk it out/yell it out even if it's just a screaming match. I would think if it escalated into a fight, people would jump in to separate the two before jumping in to smash the foreigner. I could be wrong, though.
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Yeah they werent aggressive in my experience either. It's a confucian society, social harmony and saving face is big. Compared to Thailand the guys are certainly more masculine and competitive, it's the Korean bulldog nature... their cultural "heat" is what makes them the standout coolest asians IMO, and what makes the girls worth it.

Guys did try and cockblock from time to time, but I never really felt straight up racism from them, perhaps jealousy/envy that I could approach girls though. But they honestly seemed like a cool bunch, no one was vulgar or openly aggressive towards me.

I assumed it was like Thailand when, if you fuck with one or cause one to lose face, they could take it badly and blow up. But otherwise, they seemed like good people, mutual respect goes a long way.
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(06-06-2012 10:31 AM)RichieP Wrote:  Yeah they werent aggressive in my experience either. It's a confucian society, social harmony and saving face is big. Compared to Thailand the guys are certainly more masculine and competitive, it's the Korean bulldog nature... their cultural "heat" is what makes them the standout coolest asians IMO, and what makes the girls worth it.

Guys did try and cockblock from time to time, but I never really felt straight up racism from them, perhaps jealousy/envy that I could approach girls though. But they honestly seemed like a cool bunch, no one was vulgar or openly aggressive towards me.

I assumed it was like Thailand when, if you fuck with one or cause one to lose face, they could take it badly and blow up. But otherwise, they seemed like good people, mutual respect goes a long way.

Thanks, RichieP. This is a pretty good explanation of what I was trying to get across. The respect thing is huge. I don't want to make it seem like Korean guys are out to get you. I've personally never had to deal with anyone trying to cockblock me or disrespect me, just heard stories from other gyopos (koreans born outside of korea) and non-koreans.
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Nice datasheet. For day game don't forget Gangnam. Gangnam also supposedly has high end nightclubs, but for some reason I didn't go to any when I was there so I can't say anything about them. I found subway game to be really awesome/efficient as well.
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If you're looking to train BJJ in Korea, look up John Frankl BJJ. The guys are very technical. Even the white belts.
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(06-06-2012 04:57 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  
(06-06-2012 01:47 AM)DomWasHere Wrote:  Lived in Korea for a year (Dec 2010 - Dec 2011). Seoul was interesting, and filled to the brim with some pretty ladies but I liked Busan way better.

drop a data sheet on busan. I'm thinking of coming back to korea to teach english but I hear getting a better teaching job outside of seoul is much easier.

Can do. It's been awhile so I'd have to look through some old pictures to remember what we did, etc.
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