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RE: Man Flees Canada, Vows 'Will Never Return'
This man is a hero for sticking it to a corrupt and unfair family law system, but I wonder if he's just fucked himself over here. Not paying child support is a crime in both Canada and the Philippines, and Canada and the Philippines have an extradition treaty.

If I had to flee an unfair child support ruling like this I'd try really hard to make sure that I don't get found.
07-03-2012 07:35 PM
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RE: Man Flees Canada, Vows 'Will Never Return'
(07-03-2012 07:35 PM)Celtic Wrote:  This man is a hero for sticking it to a corrupt and unfair family law system, but I wonder if he's just fucked himself over here. Not paying child support is a crime in both Canada and the Philippines, and Canada and the Philippines have an extradition treaty.

If I had to flee an unfair child support ruling like this I'd try really hard to make sure that I don't get found.

Not all crimes are extraditable. Different treaties have different arrangements, but a common one is that the crime has to be serious enough to warrant a certain jail time, such as two years, and it must warrant that in the country where the person is to be extradited from, in this case the Philippines.

So it's very unlikely that he could get extradited for that.
07-03-2012 10:12 PM
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Look I think whats most interesting is the response in the comments section. Holy crap, its like a windfall of men descended on it to bitch about the system and raw deal men are getting. Its almost overwhelming, with only the lone cry of misogyny and shaming here and there. Even though the article was written in an effort to drag the guy through the mud and slate him, a ton of guys saw right through it immediately.

I dunno, maybe more men have woken up than we tend to realise sometimes.
07-03-2012 11:18 PM
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RE: Man Flees Canada, Vows 'Will Never Return'
It ain't only Canada, it is the whole "Anglosphere" as my friend refers to it as.

Some of you mentioned "extended family", oh really now. I doubt women like the one mentioned are even that connected to family at all. Such women are drive by greed and materialistic well being to the point that any bit of family whether it be dad, mom, husband, or kids are just a distraction really.

Seen it myself. Hating your parents that care for you and anyone that bothers to treat you nice is a cool thing these days ain't it?

What is sad is that man is getting punished not only by his wife but internationally as well pretty soon. Americans will read this story and the newspaper will do its best to slam that guy. Don't worry, those feminists in the Ivy Leagues are going to be just as tight on this story and brainwash every student into agreeing with them.

You wanna support that guy you pig, misogynist, intolerant, bigoted, and hateful soul? Fine, be that way, now we will make your life miserable at Harvard.

That guy has a vocal and hateful minority (feminists) against him already and they will manipulate every neutral person to give him an image of some cruel heartless criminal.

Sad. No matter what he does, he is in a catch 22. He stays where he is, bad reputation, he ACTUALLY tries to support his wife, WELL FINALLY you PIG you support your family and BTW your wife wants an extra Mercedes, GET IT FOR HER.

This "feminist" ideal is spreading everywhere, even in countries where a sense of family is strong. It pains the fat and ugly ones to see a decent looking woman happy.
07-03-2012 11:52 PM
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At my job there's two demographics of men.
There's either the 18-22 year old crowd (me and maybe two other people), or the 26-55 year old crowd (divorced at least once if not twice). I would say that by age 28, almost all men know that they're legally getting the shaft in the marriage department. After (I would say) 30, there are probably no white knights unless they are omega bachelor males.
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07-04-2012 12:18 AM
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I've made a point of telling most of my family members, especially my sisters, that I will disown them if they get a divorce for anything short of physical abuse. When they chide me for not even planning on getting married I just remind them that they're the ones ruining the institution for the rest of us.
07-04-2012 12:25 AM
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(07-03-2012 02:40 AM)xsplat Wrote:  I'm Canadian and they allow dual citizenship.

I'm not up on the paraguay laws yet, but my recollection is that you don't have to live there full time to count as living there. Someone here must have some better info.

I'm not aware that Paraguay would revoke my passport for owing child support according to the Canadian government. I doubt any country would do that.

What I meant, if your a fugitive to lets say Paraguay's legal system, they would probably revoke your Paraguayan passport. Similarly with Canada and probably other countries. You also have to think about extradition treaties. Common sense stuff, nothing about dual citizenship. Obviously I don't know much about this.

I think the thing about Paraguay is you can fudge things easily, even though the law officially says another thing. Pay officials to backdate passports and other corrupt shit like that. They still legally have that law there to extract more bribes out of you. Most other countries, once you have it it's over and you don't have to maintain it like Paraguay, even if you just have fly in once every three years and not do shady shit.

Singapore is a single citizenship country, Canada wouldn't have a conflict with you having another citizenship, Singapore would.

I talked to an israeli coworker of mine, and he said your military service time amount is reduced the older you are when you immigrate, and they can be lazy about it. He immigrated in his early 20s, and ended up with just a few months of military service obligation and he was living there for 5 years before he actually got to it. He had to get permission to leave the country although (a bunch of paperwork & hassle every time). So if your jewish or don't care about becoming jewish orthodox, your 20+ and don't have much of an income, it might be worth it to get an israeli passport now as an investment in your future.
07-06-2012 03:19 AM
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In that situation his mind was clouded and leaving your children is not being a MAN. Yes, his situation was terrible but his ex and the system didn't help. Had I been him,I would've taken a long sabbatical from my job. Claim stress and go on long term disability.....if not flat out quit. Work cash money jobs and survive meagrely.

This is why learning a TRADE can help you in this sorta situation. I have a few buddies who are in the trades, plumber, electrician etc. They are all making extra cash on the weekend doing side jobs.
11-30-2012 03:09 PM
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He should have stayed. Got a huge life insurance policy on her. Took her on vacation to the Philippines and paid some local to off her.

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11-30-2012 03:42 PM
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(11-30-2012 03:42 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  He should have stayed. Got a huge life insurance policy on her. Took her on vacation to the Philippines and paid some local to off her.

Ummm believe it or not that was already tried by a Canadian in Thailand last year I believe or the year before and they got caught.

Haha I stand corrected. After a search for the article I found numerous news items about multiple Canadians killing their spouses with contract killers and they all being caught. Sounds like the South East Asian authorities have caught onto peoples plans.

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11-30-2012 07:30 PM
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Everytime I read about that child support crap in the Western world I always want to burst out laughing.

When I was a kid and my dad did not do shit when my mom asked him for the amount of money THEY BOTH decided he would give, my mom drove to my dad house, knocked on the door and gave my dad custody just to see if he was a good father.

What happened? 30 minutes later he was yelling on the phone with my mom and kicked me the fuck out in the middle of the night; I was around 6 years old.

My mom came back to pick me up and since then until he died she never counted on my dad when it came to me, he must have felt bad and would contribute here and there but she paid for everything 95% of the time. From the super expensive school to the shoes I wore.

She never took him to court but they had families meet up and shit trying to fix the problem. My dad was not broke, he had fishing boats that he sold, live in a big house and all. My mom saw she could not rely on him as a father so she did it herself, my dad could also see me whenever he wanted.

To me child support is just a way for lazy western women to make money off of western men, there is no need to chase down a man and force him to pay for shit. As a human being with feelings a man will not just let his children starve, if he does so he should just be removed as the father.
It takes two to make a child and if the dad bails, hey shit happens. the woman is on her own. It's just like a business or anything else in the world, you got to struggle.

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12-02-2012 10:18 AM
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Isn't there an old saying 'it takes a village to raise a child'?

I think I've seen that as a defense for a single mom.
12-02-2012 10:37 AM
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(11-30-2012 03:09 PM)tomtud Wrote:  In that situation his mind was clouded and leaving your children is not being a MAN. Yes, his situation was terrible but his ex and the system didn't help. Had I been him,I would've taken a long sabbatical from my job. Claim stress and go on long term disability.....if not flat out quit. Work cash money jobs and survive meagrely.

This is a common misconception. This is unlike any other debt collection or part of the legal process. They THROW YOU IN JAIL IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE PAYMENTS. It frequently doesn't matter if you lose your job or not. In the Dave Foley case, Canadian courts ruled that is inability to pay had no bearing on his obligation to pay. He had to come up with a quarter mil a year for the privilege of eating out of a dumpster as a free man. He has also been forced to flee the country.
12-04-2012 07:15 PM
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In fairness I don't think the guy who the article is about was only on a 100k salary. If he was paying 6k a month thats 72k a year. he may have averaged 100k over a period of years but recently been doing 250k for example.
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(07-01-2012 09:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
Quote:“Donna got the million dollar lakefront mansion and full custody of the children with child support, but no spousal support, in exchange for the house,” Hans Mills writes. “Everyone at the time agreed that my spousal support obligation had been met fully.”

He notes the deal also provided Donna with a built-in revenue stream because the house contained a separate apartment that was rented for nearly $2,000 a month...

...In June 2011, a judge issued a “Temporary Order” for Hans to pay spousal support, also awarding her both retro payments and court costs. Stung by the order, Hans left Canada before the new trial could take place.


Fair and balanced.


This guy lived the whole "escape game", and succeeded! Just go to the Philippines.


However, there's a bad ending to this story.

The USA already has ways to freeze your passport. Pretty soon they'll just make it mandatory to freeze your passport if you have any child support payments.

Thats why if anyone lives in "WAMENISTAN" (aka west or gynocentrist society) a wise man would get second and even third passport that does not honor those country's "give this guy back to us"/extradition laws.
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This is an old thread but a good read. I still don't understand how you can win in court, and then have to go back all over again when it was already decided that you won. I thought you go once, it's over. Goes to show courts are just a joke and only suckers go to play where the numbers are stacked against you. I have 3 passports and working on a fourth. You probably shouldn't get married in these divorce-rape countries anyway.

He was in a bad situation and i can't fault him for walking away. The courts for have unjust laws that aren't practical and rent seeking in circumstances they have no place in. The woman for being greedy and stupid enough to listen to her lawyer telling her she could get more (most women are like this). Even if I was dumb enough to have my wife and kids in a nanny state like Canada I sure as shit would not keep my assets there. This guy was extremely fortunate in that his source of income came from outside and also had a second passport.

These laws are just retarded. They actually incentivise killing your spouse or fleeing the country. It's just insanely punitive and only the poor and lower middle class men have to put up with it. Rich men can buy citizenship, have their assets abroad, and just take their kids with them outside the jurisdiction of the state.

Why so many cultures think the Jewish people are nefarious:
https://propertarianism.com/2018/08/19/w...nefarious/
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(12-02-2012 10:37 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  Isn't there an old saying 'it takes a village to raise a child'?

I think I've seen that as a defense for a single mom.

Well, if she pulled a village train to get it, maybe.

Otherwise, if I don't come, I owe nothing for anothers crotch spawn.

EDIT,

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lydia-lovr...52713.html

05-23-2019, 11:15 AM - The moment the Roosh Forum died.
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What is funny is that in Canada we have a very generous child tax benefit system. It is so generous that Muslim people breed just to get the benefits. But we still force the man to pay child support even though we have a system where a single mother can raise the kids. Child support is a system created by Marxists to destroy families and to destroy men in society.
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One of the newspapers here in Vancouver did a puff pc on a Syrian refugee family, expecting people here to think "Oh that is wonderful!!!!".

The family, has 9 kids with another on the way. The parents "can't work" because they have 9 kids. They get over $12,000 a month from the government plus housing and food.

The comments section was an absolute rage fest within minutes that they closed the comments after an hour.
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