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RE: South Korea
(04-09-2011 08:22 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  A lot of great info, Athlone. Any info on how latinos, east indians, middle easterns would do in south korea?

Found a post on it.

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Gorbachev
March 12, 2011 at 2:05 pm
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Gorbachev,

What about India?

What about an Indian man in China/Korea/Japan? Assume he is tall, good-looking, and well-off.


The Chinese have a general lack of respect for Indians. But break the stereotypes the Chinese have:
- dirty, backward, misogynistic, rude, smelly.

be classy, well-dressed, stylish, and use fucking game to the wazoo. Whine they might, but the women love the middle eastern/Indian macho attitude. You’ll score more than local Chinese men.

Western guys will still do better.

Indians guys in Korea have to get over the local stereotype of Sri Lankans and etc. working in the Korean factories. But be a business guy and it’s good.

India itself, I have no idea.

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Athlone's take: In other words, they have a shot but they're about as high on the totem pole as blacks are as far as Korea goes.

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04-09-2011 10:16 PM
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RE: South Korea
I wanted to bump this thread because I finally had my 2nd close encounter with a S. Korean girl on the beach, and she had JLO's ass, and legs! hot damn!! It's like that in S. Korea?

With that said, I followed all the asian girl game rules, I was not that aggressive as I normally am with latin girls, and was able to number close this S. Korean babe even though she had a cockblocker by her side.


So, I am not sure how to move forward now as I have never dealt with S. Korean women, and this girl was mega fine:


Form the 15 mints we talked on the street, I gathered this intel:

1. She's FOB, been here for 8 months, and now lives here in Miami working for some clothing design company.
2. Her English is at an intermediate level
3. She was very conservative and almost did not want to talk to me, but I plowed through and got the number
4. She was wearing some really sexy short...like daisy dukes that made me salivate all over- damn what an ass, she has a latinas booty!
5. She looked like she had rich parents. Her clothes/mannerism just smelled like money. I could be wrong, but it dod not seem like she was working a minimum wage job by her necklace and overall vibe.

I'm reading all this talk about how racist they are etc, but those this apply to latin guys too? Or is it just white guys that have it easy in S. Korea?

I need you S. Korean girl experts to help me close this girl...she was just amazing!

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RE: South Korea
out of Korea race will play a much smaller role, her society can't judge her now.

Cocky is no bueno until after sex

be playfull and cute, somehow this makes Asia girls trust you more. Shrek is their dream man bc he is cute and sweet, I'm not kidding.

Personally I don't go for kino early with Asians girls but I've heard differing opinion on that on this board.

Building comfort seems to take longer with Asians in my opinion, once you have that initial trust you can sleaze it up a bit.

Be a gentleman, open doors, if you get food give her the first bite, be considerate little crap like that makes them think ur sweet and different from the a-holes they dated in Korea/China/Japan. Example: i was China and it was raining a girl I worked with was holding the umbrella for me, i took the umbrella and held it for her, she was obsessed with me for 3 years after this simple action.

This is my general Asia advice not specific to Korea so if someone thinks differently or has extensive Korean experience please chime in. Kona seems to be the expert on them.

The fact that she is smoking hot and loaded could change everything however, if she's acts like she's hot shit then slighty watered down normal game i think would work.
01-23-2012 06:32 PM
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First off, a lot of what I read on this thread is valuable and interesting. A lot here about Korea is true and you can learn from it (in my opinion based on what I already know about South Korean ladies). So thanks to those other posters. But there is also, some misleading information here, and so I want to clear some of it up and add my own experience to it.

Actually, I don't know much about this "RooshV" thing, I'm not a "player" by hobby, and I don't even exactly understand what this forum is all about. But, I do want to contribute to this Korean pickup posting/thread, because I'm specifically interested in the Korean pickup scene. I only stumbled on this as part of my own research into the pickup scene in South Korea. That is why I don't have any other posts in this forum, yet (this is my first post).

I have been working & living in South Korea for the past 4 years and my experience with picking up Korean girls club girls, bar girls, "working girls", various types of paid lays, randoms, and through friends has been very disappointing to say the least. I have lived in several mid-sized Korean cities (of the top 10 largest cities in SK, so these aren't small towns or big Seoul). My experience is based on those locations alone, so I can't generalize and speak for all of South Korea. But, I don't think there is much difference in Seoul or the small towns. But to be unbiased and fair, I haven't had the will to go to do the research needed to check if it's any different picking up girls in Seoul or small villages. I don't really care to do that research either because I have more important things to do with my life.

At this point in my life, I would not even be living in South Korea if picking up was a major goal in my life, because I did much better back home (at least 10x better. For every one girl I bed here in SK, I bedded 10 back home for the same effort/price). The only reason I'm still in SK is because I got lucky on landing a very sweet job (because/when my friend hooked me up large after he got promoted) and now I make 4x more money than I would be making back home. And my job isn't your regular crappy expat ESL teaching job that 90% of "waygookin"s (waygookin is Korean for "foreigners") here are working. So for now, it's still worth it for me to stay in Korea as long as I have this job. But "deepdown inside of me", I want to leave SK because I love "playing the field", and as soon as I can find another suitable job in another country (or loose this one), I will definitely be out of this "player-hostile" country.

Make no mistake, South Korean girls are a players worst nightmare. K-girls look GREAT, lots of 10/10s, but they are the hardest women in the world to pickup (I'm my opinion and experience). On the positive side though, you don't actually have to pick them up to enjoy them. They are so beautiful that just looking at them everyday can make the trip worth it in my opinion.

BACKGROUND: Just to give you some background (so you don't get the wrong idea about me being a chump):

I'm 6'1 tall, white, slim, good body, "handsome" face, not balding, mid-20s, speak some Korean (probably not enough), and people/friends have consistently rated me as no less than a 8/10 on the overall looks scale. Let's just say, I only landed my first job in Korea based on my looks and not my crappy skills/credentials, so don't be mistaken to think I'm some kind of an ugly old balding troll. [Side note: A lot of Koreans are racist, so many people will get jobs in SK just because of how they look and not their abilities]. My personality is good and the majority of people like me and my personality. I'm not too extroverted or too introverted either, sort of in the middle on the scale of intro/extroversion. I can be a bit of a AFC at times, I sometimes lack social confidence, but overall not extreme or a problem. I'm often even complemented by others about how well I can "chat up" women. Or people will tell me afterwards, "Oh, that girl told me she really like talking to you, you should ask her out. She likes you".

In the past, I have also frequently "out-gamed" other guys without even trying. I also find that when I'm at a club, bar, or in a situation where women are being persued, I always tend to do better (with the K-girls) than the other foreigners here around me in the same venue. It's sometimes painful for me to watch them getting burned and rejected. So, compared to my current competition, I'm probably near the top of the pack at least where I live. I'm not mentioning this to brag or show-off, let's be clear by no means am I some "big player", but I just don't want you to think all the blame for my lack of success (in SK) is my fault. I don't want you to think that I'm not getting laid free because I'm doing something wrong out here and that when you come here you will "prosper" being only surrounded by lame foreigners and shy Koreans. [BTW, that is another myth that Korean guys are shy with no game...... the Korean guys I know have lots of game and they aren't shy at all. Sometimes, their so loud/boisterous it gets annoying and I feel like telling them to tone it down a little]. So, I'm just telling you all this because I don't want you to just dismiss my report. It's important you understand what I am about to report here, because it might save you from a lot of pain, loneliness, unnecessary self-criticism, damaged confidence, and heartache. I'm trying to help you guys from getting burned bad by disappointment, like I was/am, when I arrived in South Korea.

MY PERSONAL, just me, EXPERIENCE WITH PICKING UP KOREAN GIRLS:

Everytime I see another new player arrive in my neighbourhood or in a club, I just giggle and say to myself, "Another lamb for the slaughter". [Meaning that, here is another "freshie" player who is soon going to hit the hard wall of disappointment in a few days, when he realizes that he isn't going to pickup anything for the remainder of his vacation here or year-long contract]. And yes, the newbies stick out here like sorethumbs, because they still have that naive "I'm gonna slay every Korean Hotty I meet" behaviour and look on their face. They always act like the Korean girls are going to chase them just because they're decent white guys. Well, in no longer than a few weeks they will quickly join the 95%, or so (there are always a few exceptions to any trend ~5% succeed with the ladies in SK), of the rest of the bitter, getting-no-free-ass foreigners out here.

Even the "Pay-For-Play" scene out here is way too expensive (especially for what you "get" for your money). Also, to my surprise P4P in SK frequently leads to rejection, or "settling" (for anything you can get just because no one will serve you because your a foreinger). [Side Note: Even whites are considered sub-human "foreigner trash", and I really feel sympathy for the Indians, other asians, Russians, blacks, & Philippinos because they get treated even worse by the Koreans]. I can't even count all of the frustrating nights I've had in SK, where I was rejected trying to get (even) a "paid lay" until the point where I just gave up because it was too embarassing, degrading, late, or disappointing. [Oh, yeah that reminds me of one other thing you guys should know: P4P is illegal by law in SK (even though widespread in SK), so watch out how you go about it or you might end up in big trouble].

Okay, so now to talk more specifically about the post topic. It has been my experience that Korean girls are very difficult to bed and that they will often be open to entertain advances, but not for long, and not to any serious extent. Sometimes, K-girls are even very rude and will reject players immediately (especially in the clubs). Be ready for some rudeness and if you can't handle it then don't even "bark up that tree". I have been insulted to the point of humiliation and "viceral cruelty" by K-girls so just giving you the heads up. Especially, if you want to keep an ideal view of all Korean women then I warn that this might change your longterm outlook on K-girls forever if you approach the wrong one, the wrong way, and get a very cruel rejection.

One thing that I feel isn't even close to accurate but was mentioned in this discussion/thread, is how "white guys are in short supply". Wow!!! not true at all. Completely misleading. SK is flooded with foreigners (mostly white but increasingly and to a more and more noticeable extent asian, african, indian, arab, latinos, russian, etc.). This is no longer a whiteman's turf or game, make no mistake. Even compared to Japan which I hear is even more invaded by foreigners. In my opinion, there are way too many foreigners cockblocking and too many players looking for easy lays = way too many. There just isn't enough easy pu**y to go around in SK. You will be crowded with competition, be ready for that, you can mark my words on that! (Personally, I don't usually like to say things with too much certainty because life is always uncertain, but this I will guarantee to be true).

It has been my experience everytime I go to a "foreigner" club or bar that the white guys (even other foreigners) outnumber the hot asian chicks 15M-to-1F. Note: That is a "foreigner" bar/club and I don't even go to the Korean bars/clubs anymore, because chances of picking up there are even less, because those K-girls are not looking for foreigners and prefer Korean guys (otherwise, they would obviously be at one of the "foreigner" bars instead). [FYI: As a side note, I have even been rejected simple entry at "Korean only" clubs/bars with bouncers claiming "Sorry, only for Koreans", more racism but that is another topic for another thread].

At first, I was shocked by these ratios. I used to believe the myths about white guys doing well out here and "cleaning up with the asian chicks", so all this was a bit of a shock to me. At times even thinking to myself, that the numbers would be more in my odds back home for bedding an asian chick, because back home guys don't crowd club girls like they do out here (like flies on shit), or like the guys crowd girls out here. But over time, and by now I'm used to it and have accepted it. So, I don't know why someone would write that white guys are in short supply?? I gotta disagree on that. Also, even though in some settings (like in a workplace) this might be statistically true, it isn't true in the sense of value, because to my disappointment the value of a white guy in SK is less than it is back home. They don't want us here and the only person that really probably does is your boss and friends, but walk down the streets and you get dirty looks and rude unfriendly service everywhere because they view use like an invading contagious virus eating away at Korean traditional culture and way of life (to some extent they do have a bit of a point on that one).

Don't be fooled to think you are going to be some "hot commodity" in SK just because you are white and decent-looking. Not even by a long shot. You might get some curiosity or intrigue because you are different, but it isn't the "my apartment is 5 minutes away do you want to see my bed" attention that you are hoping for. Trust me, I've even asked random neighborhood girls to do exactly that (come home with me) out of sheer desperation, and let's just say I learnt the hard way to never ask such questions, LOL!!! So, let's be certain you will not be in demand out here. Make no mistake on that.

I can't count the number of nights I've witnessed 3-4 white guys, sometimes more, cockblocking each other on the dance floor surrounding one uninterested average K-girl (that never ended up going home with any of those guys in the end anyway). It's a sad sight to see. Makes me feel almost like crying when I see how low foreigners are regarded in SK and this is a great example of it. I don't know where that myth is from, but it's not from SK and it's not from now (maybe 10, 30, 50 years ago??? but not anymore). New times out there now fellas, everything keeps on changing. Maybe it was the internet, social networking sites, or dating websites that changed it all, but these K-girls are nowhere near desperate anymore.

In most clubs you will see 3-4 white guys surrounding each Korean girl (usually just average looking). Keep in mind that the reason the really hot ones aren't in the clubs is because they are already in such "high demand" (from both Korean and foreigner guys from their workplaces or social circles). That means that they would never need to be wasting their time, or shaking their beautiful asses, in a nightclub. But some nights you'll get lucky enough to see a few that are "temporarily visiting" to celebrate with friends.

The really hot K-girls I know are already flooded with (mostly Korean) guys trying to SMS or call them everyday, married or not, they still get flooded with persuants. So, even if these hot chicks break up and end up single (for like a whole hour or so, LOL!!!), they are quickly be taken by the next guy in their long waitlist of "possible suitors". No hot Korean chick needs to be in these places. So, the few that are in the clubs/bars are only with friends celebrating a BDAY, promotion, or something like that, and their not available, "looking", or alone either while they are celebrating. FYI, they 99% of the time aren't interested in talking to anyone they don't already know.

So, now I will get back to the desperate foreigner guys in the clubs.......they will be trying to grind up on that average-looking K-girl from behind and elbowing/nudging each other (in a semi-friendly) competitive manner. But it isn't always friendly, and I've also seen many fights start this way. I've also had to walk away from girls who were showing some interest in me (like I mentioned, I often out-do my competition here), simply because my competition physically "'muscled-in" between me and the interested girl or physically pushed me aside (or threatened me). I've had friends get drinks thrown on them, brawls break out, and friends been burned by cigarettes by these cockblockers. Nothing ruins a night out at a club like when that happens.

Personally, I just back off anytime this happens (even in cases where he is smaller than me and I can easily take the guy out physically. I always back down because I'm not dumb enough to "take a charge" on my criminal record and loose my higher paying job over some tail. (If you don't already know, then I should tell you that as a result of a dumb assault charge like punching a guy once and it being recorded on the clubs CCTV can get any foreigner deported or have serious VISA problems. Most of these f#&@*#s starting fights in SK clubs are not smart smart enough to know this, so I "know it" for them, LOL!!! and back off first even if I feel like kicking the crap out of them).

Also, I understand that one of the major reasons, these guys in SK are so "pushy/cockblocky/rude", and why they muscle another guy out like that, is just because they are very desperate. It's sad to watch guys out here who are so desperately looking for a lay but can't get it.

Another common thing in clubs with K-girls, which has already been mentioned in this thread by another user (and it is true IMO), is that your best chance at getting any action with K-girls is only if you can get them out of their "packs" (of friends). So if, in the extremely unlikely event that there are no other guys cock-blocking you, then it will just end up being their girlfriends doing the cockblocking. And that can be just as bad. It is definitely true that K-girls roll in "packs" or groups of 3-6 girlfriends. And their girlfriends are very "protective" of each other, not wanting to let "bad dirty foreigners" seduce for onenight stand "innocent best good" K-girl, LOL!!!

One thing that leads to a lot of confusion among guys, is that it can at times APPEAR that it is easy to pick up Korean girls (but this is just a misinterpretation of the situation). I say this because many guys think just because a K-girl is smiling or giving contact info, that it will lead to more than just that. Sometimes, that's just the easiest way for her to get rid of you (through deception)........ [Side note: Oohh - Koreans & deception!!! - that's a whole other story I don't have time to get into right now, LOL!!!].

One of the previous posters on this thread mentions that "K-girls are quite receptive to being picked up", and in a way that is true, but in other ways it's false. IMO. It can be quite easy to chat up, "open", or think your getting somewhere with a K-girl (like getting cell#s or emails), but bedding (fkng) them or even getting a second date/meet is a totally different story.

So, I recommend that anytime someone tells you a story about how he is "the biggest player in SK" or how he opened "all these girls easily in SK", just ask them about how many times they actually got laid for free. Ask him "how far" he got and if he "closed" the deal. All of a sudden, he will start back-peddling and you will get all kinds of excuses from this "so-called player" about how he didn't have time to call her back because he was too busy, or he had to leave town before he got to the lay her, etc... [and the BS will go on, and on...]. But the bottom line is that, actually laying a K-girl especially a one-night stand, is practically 99% impossible. [Probably less than that, some nights I have approached more than 100 Korean girls, even the ugly ones (out of desperation), and not even gotten a cell# out of 1 of them].

To support my claim a little here, you might notice that one of the posters here (named: MiXX) talks about how he opened this "J-Lo assed" SK hotty. Now, MiXX don't get me wrong here because I'm not dissing you. That's not my intention and I have had the exact or much worse (and much more humiliating) experiences than you did probably a hundread times here in SK. But now everyone else, just take close notice of how MiXX never reports back about how easy it was closing her. Or the guy who started the post talking about his poker friends, never talks about how at the end of his trip he finally nailed a few hotties. Or that guy hitting on his drycleaners daughter for an e-mail. I doubt any of these guys got anything. Nope, nothing. Just opens. Yup, that's my point! For all we know MiXX never did close J-Lo??? It's not his fault. It's brutal out here in SK. The odds are stacked heavily against guys like MiXX, dryclean client, or the poker poster, here in SK.

Yes, it's true, foreigners can open SK girls, sometimes even with ease. And yes, K-gilrs have great asses (pretty faces, tight Ps, and cute tits, too), but how many guys ever report an easy "open-through-to-close" experienced. And how many guys talk about it happening in SK in a short time (like a night, or within a week)? I don't hear of or see "easy closes" in SK. Not ever! Not in my own life, and not in my friends' lives. But that's just sort of my point, isn't it? Guys aren't getting it like that here in SK.

I know this is all sounding very negative, but that is the reality (as I know it) here in SK. It's just my opinion, and other guys have had different experiences based on their traits, skills, abilities, personalities, connections, and talents. But personally, I got emotionally "slayed" here in SK and had hundreds of painful lonely nights.

I'm not big on paying for tail, but living lonely out here a man just gets driven to P4P due to loneliness and stress. And you should be aware of that reality if you plan on coming here, so you can plan your life around it properly. That way, you don't end up missing those loan re-payments back home, LOL!!!

Work into your budget that you are going to be spending close to 40% of your total earnings on paying for pu**y. That's if you want to get laid just a few times per month in SK. You could always try to be a celebate nun out here, but trust me it doesn't last long until you start to go crazy especially when you are in a foreign land living like a 40 year old virgin. Also, keep in mind that there is still food, housing, clothing, other expenses, transport, travel, socializing costs, etc. that you need to pay for, so 40% is actually a lot considering all your other expenses. The majority of foreigners I know in South Korea don't make much money, and the ones that like pu##y end up saving (or coming back to your homeland with) nothing.

During some months, back in my "poorer days" of life in SK, I remember spending all (100%) of my extra money (that is non-food, non-housing, non-transport money) on paying for tail. Back then, P4P got to be such a problem for me financially, that I had to treat it like a drug addiction (and manage it as such). At the time, it was making me broke and pushing me back into debt.

One of my Korean ex-bosses even went so deep into debt and ended up fkng up his whole life, even had to sell his car, because he was addicted to P4P. And he still was the last I heard from him, but I have lost contact since. So, it isn't just a sad story for foreigners (Korean guys can also get fkd by the shortage of fine tail in SK). My Korean ex-boss was paying thousands per month (not even for high-end lays, and he wasn't even getting ripped-off on the prices). So, he got into some serious financial trouble. [As I have already mentioned, paying for pu**y can get very expensive in SK]. At this time in my life I'm lucky, so I have more income than most SK foreigners, so it helps relieve my sexual frustration at times, but still it isn't worth what I pay and one of these days I'm going to get back to getting free tail in some other country (when I find that job I'm looking for, LOL!).

Remember that easy beautiful free pu**y is a very hot and short supply commodity wherever you go (in the world), and that's why guys pay big $$$ for it. Also remember that, if you are anything like the 90% of regular guys in the world (like me and probably you), then you are NOT a hot commodity and you will probably be considered the equivalent of toilet paper by most K-girls.

One idea I've come across a few times in the past (in forums like this one and heard while talking with friends about this topic), and it's an idea which I agree strongly with, is that "If you are a successful back home, then you are going to get laid anywhere in the world, and vice versa, if you are not getting laid back home then don't expect that to change just because you stepped on an airplane and flew to another country". A "chump" is a "chump" and "champ" is a "champ", wherever he goes. Girls from every/any country can sense if a guy is a "loser" or a "winner". So, if you're already not good with the ladies, then please don't expect that to change just because you come to South Korea. I'm not trying to insult anybody, I'm just trying to help you avoid some disappointment here. Let's all be more realistic and satisfied with reality, right? It can't all be as good as the fairytales we like to wish are true.

I think the problem is that a few "exceptional guys" come to SK and do well (maybe 5% of foreigner guys), and then everyone back home thinks it's very easy for every guy in SK. So, they want to come out here, too. Well, what they don't realize is that the 5% doing well in SK, would probably be doing even BETTER back home. Just because the 5% does well in SK, it doesn't mean that the rest of the 95% will automatically get laid. And in my experience, that 95% which doesn't do well, ends up getting hurt and emotionally crushed against the rocks of SK's harsh "dating scene" reality.

If your considering coming out here to work, then I recommend that you first take a short trip here and check it for yourself. Do some truthfully objective "recon" if you can. And be unbiased. Set your pride aside, and ask yourself honestly, "Really, how easy was it to get laid? (that is if you can even manage to get laid in SK)". And if you don't get laid (you probably won't) then don't accept those false thoughts, which help you maintain any illusions of being some kind of a successful player. You know, those thoughts like "Maybe if I had stayed for two more days she would have put out" or "if I would have just done this or that instead, I could have surely laid her", or "maybe I was just too (or not enough) aggressive". Those thoughts are all bullsh**, because the truth is it doesn't matter what you "would have done" or "could have done", just look at the facts and "what actually happened" during your exploratory visit to SK. My guess is you won't get any tail/action, at all just based on the odds and probabilities.

It's my impression that K-girls go to clubs/bars for reasons other than to pickup. Maybe, for the attention. Maybe to boost their self-esteem. Maybe they think it's fun to reject guys. Maybe they hate guys, because some guy broke their heart, so now they go to clubs just to torture us. I don't know. Maybe, to brag or for some social reasons. Maybe just to see their friends. I'm not really sure why they are there, but I can tell you why they are not there. And, they are not there to have you, or me, pick them up after a long night of dancing. That much I know based on painful experience.

One thing I think is important to mention is this is only my experience. You, or others, might end up doing well with the Korean ladies while in Korea. You might be that 5%. And I have heard some accounts (and read things online) that would suggest that some guys actually do very well (even in Korea). All I can say is I have never met them (actually, I never even met the 5%ers but I just threw them into the discussion because I've heard rumours about them from time to time). But it is possible that some guys hit a lot of free tail out here??? I'm not an expert on this.

But if these rumours are true, then I guess that there is probably some special circumstances that lend themselves to greater success than the rest of us regular guys. I warn you guys to always try to get more information or understanding of the specifics of any such reports because more often than not, there will be a special reason behind this success. Maybe the guy is drop-dead handsome (like 11+/10, beyond even a 10). Maybe he's a smooth-talker that could sell ice in the arctic, fire in hell, and sand in the desert. Maybe he is a pro-dancers or a "fashionista" from Paris. Maybe he is the next-in-line to inherit CEO daddy's mountain of money, or maybe he already is that wealthy CEO daddy. I don't know??? All I can speak on, is based on what I have known and seen as a regular guy living a more or less regular life, in a more or less regular Korean mid-sized city.

And so far, those so-called players claiming to be "nailing a different girl every week in SK" don't exist. At least not in "my world" or awareness. Maybe, I'm just the world's biggest loser or don't have the right connections, but I tell it like I see it even if it ain't pretty.

Actually, I am going to admit a sort of weird thing that a wingman and I did one night as part of a secret "social experiment". So here it is....we wanted to know if it was something that we were doing wrong that was causing us to get "no free ass in the clubs every weekend", so we did a little experiment to find out. We got a few drinks and then kept them coming all night, drank through the night, and seated ourselves near the exit/entrance of the currently most popular club in town. This was about 3 months ago from today's date, just in case your wondering for reference sake.

Okay.... so we're sitting there, talking without making it obvious (our experiment was secret and no one ever ended up noticing what we were doing). Every once in a while we would try to make eye contact with a hotty or two, just to make it seem like we were just two wingmen "posted up" trying to pickup (using the waiting game strategy). So, we were just sitting there drinking and keeping track (looking) who was entering and leaving the club (and with who!!!). This is a simple experiment and if you don't believe me, you can do it for yourself to find your own results.

Anyway, so we're drinking our drinks, talking, and keeping a close eye on the door and to our amazement, NOBODY, not even one guy picked up that whole Saturday night. At first this shocked me. I couldn't believe it was that bad! I always assumed that at least a few guys would score even on nights when I never did, but no!!! That was just a brutal realization for me and my wingman. My wingman and I watched the dancefloor, and as usual watched guys getting rejected on the floor, too. That was the sadest part of the experiment, actually seeing real people (regular shmucks like us who looked like good guys) getting rejected heartlessly. We tried to figure out if people were already couples, friends, or if they had met for the first time at the club that night. It was a bit hard to just sit there from 12-5 a.m., figure all this out, and watch both the floor, the door, and keep track of all the people, and their statuses (ie. alone or a pickup) coming in and out of the club, but somehow we did it. And although we might have lost some of the "data" or let one or two "errors" slip by us, we were pretty confident in the accuracy of our findings. And besides, overall the end results were clear and shockingly sad to us.

And now, with the results we got from this informal experiment, I'm actually pretty happy I did this experiment because it was enlightening. I know it sounds weird, but it's essentially the same thing that many people do all night at a club anyway (especially if there not big dancers), that is they will just sit talk and drink all night. So, what my wingman and I did, was just the same as them but put some purpose to our "sitting and drinking" by adding some experimentation (and tracking) to our night out. The results were a bit depressing, but definititely valuble and surprising. Maybe it was just a bad night for picking up, or the players were having bad luck that night, but we never saw a single guy come pull a girl out of the club that night. Every guy who went in alone (or with friends) didn't leave with a new girl that he didn't already come into the club with.

Another thing our experiment taught us, was that the K-Girls always leave in big packs. Even if they show up initially to the club alone. Maybe they are sharing rides home for safety or $ reasons, I don't know??? So, we noticed that many were coming to the club alone (or in twos), but leaving in packs of 4-6+ girlfriends. Hey look, if your going to make fun of us for doing this experiment go ahead. I have enough self-confidence to take your insults. The truth is that living in SK things can get a little weird and guys tend to get desperate enough out here to try just about anything (even weird secret social "experiments" like the one I just described). So, please don't be too judgemental of our experiment.

We never bothered doing the experiment again, it was too hard, and sort of a waste of a night. But I sometimes wonder how this would compare with other cities, countries, and clubs. This was just one club, in one city, in one country. That's it.

Another unpleasant thing I learned about Korean ladies by gaming them, is that the vast majority don't do anything sexually that is not "traditional" conservative sex. Almost all K-girls are very conservative when it comes to sex. That means that anything other than "missionary position" will be considered what Koreans, even Korean men (to my shock), will call "dirty" or weird. Unlike the freaky Japanese, even oral is rare/taboo in SK. And if oral happens, your not going to be the recipient (your going to be the provider - and yes like the Japanese they don't shave down there). Don't believe me? Fine. Come here yourself and find out the hard way, or just check some Korean porn and you will see what the "maximum extent of male sexual fantasy" can amount to in SK. And real SK sex is even more conservative than what you will see in that lame Korean-produced porn.

I feel sorry for Korean couples because they just don't know how to "get it on" like the rest of the world does. Although, I don't want to be too judgemental or ethnocentric here, especially because I believe in some ways Korean society benefits greatly from being very traditional. But as far as sex is concerned...... so much lost pleasure just because of fear and over-conservatism. And forget about anal, that is way off-bounds territory for every K-girl I ever layed (even paid lays). Even oral is hard to get from paid lays in SK, and K-girls will rather give you missionary instead of a BJ.

Some more helpful advice is don't even ask for those things if you ever want a repeat on the lay. If you do ask for those things, you will never lay that same girl again, you will get slapped, or you will end up arguing the rest of the night away. [Yes, I forgot to mention, one other thing about Korean girls which is that many, of course not all, but many tend to be very violent. Hitting spouses, male associates, and boyfriends is very common in SK. It is even common to see K-girls hitting men on TV shows/TV Dramas, and it is considered socially and publicly acceptable as long as the woman is doing the hitting.

Okay, so just to get back onto the topic here..... without getting into too many generalizations, insulting anyone, or starting any other off topics......to conclude my experience with Korean girls and picking them up has been very negative. The best way in my experience is to try another country or if you end up coming to Korea because you have no other choice, then be ready and prepared for disappointment when you arrive in South Korea. The Korean "dating pickup scene" will be one of the ways culture shock will "hit you the hardest" when you get here, maybe even more dramatically than the change in workplace, dress, food, language, etc.

I hope all that information helps.

Good luck to all the good guys out there, by that I mean the guys that are just trying to play and not hurt anyone else in the process.....and if you're in South Korea, then your definitely going to need a lot of good luck, LOL!!!
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(11-01-2012 10:04 PM)Midnightrunner Wrote:  First off, a lot of what I read on this thread is valuable and interesting. A lot here about Korea is true and you can learn from it (in my opinion based on what I already know about South Korean ladies). So thanks to those other posters. But there is also, some misleading information here, and so I want to clear some of it up and add my own experience to it.

Actually, I don't know much about this "RooshV" thing, I'm not a "player" by hobby, and I don't even exactly understand what this forum is all about. But, I do want to contribute to this Korean pickup posting/thread, because I'm specifically interested in the Korean pickup scene. I only stumbled on this as part of my own research into the pickup scene in South Korea. That is why I don't have any other posts in this forum, yet (this is my first post).

I have been working & living in South Korea for the past 4 years and my experience with picking up Korean girls club girls, bar girls, "working girls", various types of paid lays, randoms, and through friends has been very disappointing to say the least. I have lived in several mid-sized Korean cities (of the top 10 largest cities in SK, so these aren't small towns or big Seoul). My experience is based on those locations alone, so I can't generalize and speak for all of South Korea. But, I don't think there is much difference in Seoul or the small towns. But to be unbiased and fair, I haven't had the will to go to do the research needed to check if it's any different picking up girls in Seoul or small villages. I don't really care to do that research either because I have more important things to do with my life.

At this point in my life, I would not even be living in South Korea if picking up was a major goal in my life, because I did much better back home (at least 10x better. For every one girl I bed here in SK, I bedded 10 back home for the same effort/price). The only reason I'm still in SK is because I got lucky on landing a very sweet job (because/when my friend hooked me up large after he got promoted) and now I make 4x more money than I would be making back home. And my job isn't your regular crappy expat ESL teaching job that 90% of "waygookin"s (waygookin is Korean for "foreigners") here are working. So for now, it's still worth it for me to stay in Korea as long as I have this job. But "deepdown inside of me", I want to leave SK because I love "playing the field", and as soon as I can find another suitable job in another country (or loose this one), I will definitely be out of this "player-hostile" country.

Make no mistake, South Korean girls are a players worst nightmare. K-girls look GREAT, lots of 10/10s, but they are the hardest women in the world to pickup (I'm my opinion and experience). On the positive side though, you don't actually have to pick them up to enjoy them. They are so beautiful that just looking at them everyday can make the trip worth it in my opinion.

BACKGROUND: Just to give you some background (so you don't get the wrong idea about me being a chump):

I'm 6'1 tall, white, slim, good body, "handsome" face, not balding, mid-20s, speak some Korean (probably not enough), and people/friends have consistently rated me as no less than a 8/10 on the overall looks scale. Let's just say, I only landed my first job in Korea based on my looks and not my crappy skills/credentials, so don't be mistaken to think I'm some kind of an ugly old balding troll. [Side note: A lot of Koreans are racist, so many people will get jobs in SK just because of how they look and not their abilities]. My personality is good and the majority of people like me and my personality. I'm not too extroverted or too introverted either, sort of in the middle on the scale of intro/extroversion. I can be a bit of a AFC at times, I sometimes lack social confidence, but overall not extreme or a problem. I'm often even complemented by others about how well I can "chat up" women. Or people will tell me afterwards, "Oh, that girl told me she really like talking to you, you should ask her out. She likes you".

In the past, I have also frequently "out-gamed" other guys without even trying. I also find that when I'm at a club, bar, or in a situation where women are being persued, I always tend to do better (with the K-girls) than the other foreigners here around me in the same venue. It's sometimes painful for me to watch them getting burned and rejected. So, compared to my current competition, I'm probably near the top of the pack at least where I live. I'm not mentioning this to brag or show-off, let's be clear by no means am I some "big player", but I just don't want you to think all the blame for my lack of success (in SK) is my fault. I don't want you to think that I'm not getting laid free because I'm doing something wrong out here and that when you come here you will "prosper" being only surrounded by lame foreigners and shy Koreans. [BTW, that is another myth that Korean guys are shy with no game...... the Korean guys I know have lots of game and they aren't shy at all. Sometimes, their so loud/boisterous it gets annoying and I feel like telling them to tone it down a little]. So, I'm just telling you all this because I don't want you to just dismiss my report. It's important you understand what I am about to report here, because it might save you from a lot of pain, loneliness, unnecessary self-criticism, damaged confidence, and heartache. I'm trying to help you guys from getting burned bad by disappointment, like I was/am, when I arrived in South Korea.

MY PERSONAL, just me, EXPERIENCE WITH PICKING UP KOREAN GIRLS:

Everytime I see another new player arrive in my neighbourhood or in a club, I just giggle and say to myself, "Another lamb for the slaughter". [Meaning that, here is another "freshie" player who is soon going to hit the hard wall of disappointment in a few days, when he realizes that he isn't going to pickup anything for the remainder of his vacation here or year-long contract]. And yes, the newbies stick out here like sorethumbs, because they still have that naive "I'm gonna slay every Korean Hotty I meet" behaviour and look on their face. They always act like the Korean girls are going to chase them just because they're decent white guys. Well, in no longer than a few weeks they will quickly join the 95%, or so (there are always a few exceptions to any trend ~5% succeed with the ladies in SK), of the rest of the bitter, getting-no-free-ass foreigners out here.

Even the "Pay-For-Play" scene out here is way too expensive (especially for what you "get" for your money). Also, to my surprise P4P in SK frequently leads to rejection, or "settling" (for anything you can get just because no one will serve you because your a foreinger). [Side Note: Even whites are considered sub-human "foreigner trash", and I really feel sympathy for the Indians, other asians, Russians, blacks, & Philippinos because they get treated even worse by the Koreans]. I can't even count all of the frustrating nights I've had in SK, where I was rejected trying to get (even) a "paid lay" until the point where I just gave up because it was too embarassing, degrading, late, or disappointing. [Oh, yeah that reminds me of one other thing you guys should know: P4P is illegal by law in SK (even though widespread in SK), so watch out how you go about it or you might end up in big trouble].

Okay, so now to talk more specifically about the post topic. It has been my experience that Korean girls are very difficult to bed and that they will often be open to entertain advances, but not for long, and not to any serious extent. Sometimes, K-girls are even very rude and will reject players immediately (especially in the clubs). Be ready for some rudeness and if you can't handle it then don't even "bark up that tree". I have been insulted to the point of humiliation and "viceral cruelty" by K-girls so just giving you the heads up. Especially, if you want to keep an ideal view of all Korean women then I warn that this might change your longterm outlook on K-girls forever if you approach the wrong one, the wrong way, and get a very cruel rejection.

One thing that I feel isn't even close to accurate but was mentioned in this discussion/thread, is how "white guys are in short supply". Wow!!! not true at all. Completely misleading. SK is flooded with foreigners (mostly white but increasingly and to a more and more noticeable extent asian, african, indian, arab, latinos, russian, etc.). This is no longer a whiteman's turf or game, make no mistake. Even compared to Japan which I hear is even more invaded by foreigners. In my opinion, there are way too many foreigners cockblocking and too many players looking for easy lays = way too many. There just isn't enough easy pu**y to go around in SK. You will be crowded with competition, be ready for that, you can mark my words on that! (Personally, I don't usually like to say things with too much certainty because life is always uncertain, but this I will guarantee to be true).

It has been my experience everytime I go to a "foreigner" club or bar that the white guys (even other foreigners) outnumber the hot asian chicks 15M-to-1F. Note: That is a "foreigner" bar/club and I don't even go to the Korean bars/clubs anymore, because chances of picking up there are even less, because those K-girls are not looking for foreigners and prefer Korean guys (otherwise, they would obviously be at one of the "foreigner" bars instead). [FYI: As a side note, I have even been rejected simple entry at "Korean only" clubs/bars with bouncers claiming "Sorry, only for Koreans", more racism but that is another topic for another thread].

At first, I was shocked by these ratios. I used to believe the myths about white guys doing well out here and "cleaning up with the asian chicks", so all this was a bit of a shock to me. At times even thinking to myself, that the numbers would be more in my odds back home for bedding an asian chick, because back home guys don't crowd club girls like they do out here (like flies on shit), or like the guys crowd girls out here. But over time, and by now I'm used to it and have accepted it. So, I don't know why someone would write that white guys are in short supply?? I gotta disagree on that. Also, even though in some settings (like in a workplace) this might be statistically true, it isn't true in the sense of value, because to my disappointment the value of a white guy in SK is less than it is back home. They don't want us here and the only person that really probably does is your boss and friends, but walk down the streets and you get dirty looks and rude unfriendly service everywhere because they view use like an invading contagious virus eating away at Korean traditional culture and way of life (to some extent they do have a bit of a point on that one).

Don't be fooled to think you are going to be some "hot commodity" in SK just because you are white and decent-looking. Not even by a long shot. You might get some curiosity or intrigue because you are different, but it isn't the "my apartment is 5 minutes away do you want to see my bed" attention that you are hoping for. Trust me, I've even asked random neighborhood girls to do exactly that (come home with me) out of sheer desperation, and let's just say I learnt the hard way to never ask such questions, LOL!!! So, let's be certain you will not be in demand out here. Make no mistake on that.

I can't count the number of nights I've witnessed 3-4 white guys, sometimes more, cockblocking each other on the dance floor surrounding one uninterested average K-girl (that never ended up going home with any of those guys in the end anyway). It's a sad sight to see. Makes me feel almost like crying when I see how low foreigners are regarded in SK and this is a great example of it. I don't know where that myth is from, but it's not from SK and it's not from now (maybe 10, 30, 50 years ago??? but not anymore). New times out there now fellas, everything keeps on changing. Maybe it was the internet, social networking sites, or dating websites that changed it all, but these K-girls are nowhere near desperate anymore.

In most clubs you will see 3-4 white guys surrounding each Korean girl (usually just average looking). Keep in mind that the reason the really hot ones aren't in the clubs is because they are already in such "high demand" (from both Korean and foreigner guys from their workplaces or social circles). That means that they would never need to be wasting their time, or shaking their beautiful asses, in a nightclub. But some nights you'll get lucky enough to see a few that are "temporarily visiting" to celebrate with friends.

The really hot K-girls I know are already flooded with (mostly Korean) guys trying to SMS or call them everyday, married or not, they still get flooded with persuants. So, even if these hot chicks break up and end up single (for like a whole hour or so, LOL!!!), they are quickly be taken by the next guy in their long waitlist of "possible suitors". No hot Korean chick needs to be in these places. So, the few that are in the clubs/bars are only with friends celebrating a BDAY, promotion, or something like that, and their not available, "looking", or alone either while they are celebrating. FYI, they 99% of the time aren't interested in talking to anyone they don't already know.

So, now I will get back to the desperate foreigner guys in the clubs.......they will be trying to grind up on that average-looking K-girl from behind and elbowing/nudging each other (in a semi-friendly) competitive manner. But it isn't always friendly, and I've also seen many fights start this way. I've also had to walk away from girls who were showing some interest in me (like I mentioned, I often out-do my competition here), simply because my competition physically "'muscled-in" between me and the interested girl or physically pushed me aside (or threatened me). I've had friends get drinks thrown on them, brawls break out, and friends been burned by cigarettes by these cockblockers. Nothing ruins a night out at a club like when that happens.

Personally, I just back off anytime this happens (even in cases where he is smaller than me and I can easily take the guy out physically. I always back down because I'm not dumb enough to "take a charge" on my criminal record and loose my higher paying job over some tail. (If you don't already know, then I should tell you that as a result of a dumb assault charge like punching a guy once and it being recorded on the clubs CCTV can get any foreigner deported or have serious VISA problems. Most of these f#&@*#s starting fights in SK clubs are not smart smart enough to know this, so I "know it" for them, LOL!!! and back off first even if I feel like kicking the crap out of them).

Also, I understand that one of the major reasons, these guys in SK are so "pushy/cockblocky/rude", and why they muscle another guy out like that, is just because they are very desperate. It's sad to watch guys out here who are so desperately looking for a lay but can't get it.

Another common thing in clubs with K-girls, which has already been mentioned in this thread by another user (and it is true IMO), is that your best chance at getting any action with K-girls is only if you can get them out of their "packs" (of friends). So if, in the extremely unlikely event that there are no other guys cock-blocking you, then it will just end up being their girlfriends doing the cockblocking. And that can be just as bad. It is definitely true that K-girls roll in "packs" or groups of 3-6 girlfriends. And their girlfriends are very "protective" of each other, not wanting to let "bad dirty foreigners" seduce for onenight stand "innocent best good" K-girl, LOL!!!

One thing that leads to a lot of confusion among guys, is that it can at times APPEAR that it is easy to pick up Korean girls (but this is just a misinterpretation of the situation). I say this because many guys think just because a K-girl is smiling or giving contact info, that it will lead to more than just that. Sometimes, that's just the easiest way for her to get rid of you (through deception)........ [Side note: Oohh - Koreans & deception!!! - that's a whole other story I don't have time to get into right now, LOL!!!].

One of the previous posters on this thread mentions that "K-girls are quite receptive to being picked up", and in a way that is true, but in other ways it's false. IMO. It can be quite easy to chat up, "open", or think your getting somewhere with a K-girl (like getting cell#s or emails), but bedding (fkng) them or even getting a second date/meet is a totally different story.

So, I recommend that anytime someone tells you a story about how he is "the biggest player in SK" or how he opened "all these girls easily in SK", just ask them about how many times they actually got laid for free. Ask him "how far" he got and if he "closed" the deal. All of a sudden, he will start back-peddling and you will get all kinds of excuses from this "so-called player" about how he didn't have time to call her back because he was too busy, or he had to leave town before he got to the lay her, etc... [and the BS will go on, and on...]. But the bottom line is that, actually laying a K-girl especially a one-night stand, is practically 99% impossible. [Probably less than that, some nights I have approached more than 100 Korean girls, even the ugly ones (out of desperation), and not even gotten a cell# out of 1 of them].

To support my claim a little here, you might notice that one of the posters here (named: MiXX) talks about how he opened this "J-Lo assed" SK hotty. Now, MiXX don't get me wrong here because I'm not dissing you. That's not my intention and I have had the exact or much worse (and much more humiliating) experiences than you did probably a hundread times here in SK. But now everyone else, just take close notice of how MiXX never reports back about how easy it was closing her. Or the guy who started the post talking about his poker friends, never talks about how at the end of his trip he finally nailed a few hotties. Or that guy hitting on his drycleaners daughter for an e-mail. I doubt any of these guys got anything. Nope, nothing. Just opens. Yup, that's my point! For all we know MiXX never did close J-Lo??? It's not his fault. It's brutal out here in SK. The odds are stacked heavily against guys like MiXX, dryclean client, or the poker poster, here in SK.

Yes, it's true, foreigners can open SK girls, sometimes even with ease. And yes, K-gilrs have great asses (pretty faces, tight Ps, and cute tits, too), but how many guys ever report an easy "open-through-to-close" experienced. And how many guys talk about it happening in SK in a short time (like a night, or within a week)? I don't hear of or see "easy closes" in SK. Not ever! Not in my own life, and not in my friends' lives. But that's just sort of my point, isn't it? Guys aren't getting it like that here in SK.

I know this is all sounding very negative, but that is the reality (as I know it) here in SK. It's just my opinion, and other guys have had different experiences based on their traits, skills, abilities, personalities, connections, and talents. But personally, I got emotionally "slayed" here in SK and had hundreds of painful lonely nights.

I'm not big on paying for tail, but living lonely out here a man just gets driven to P4P due to loneliness and stress. And you should be aware of that reality if you plan on coming here, so you can plan your life around it properly. That way, you don't end up missing those loan re-payments back home, LOL!!!

Work into your budget that you are going to be spending close to 40% of your total earnings on paying for pu**y. That's if you want to get laid just a few times per month in SK. You could always try to be a celebate nun out here, but trust me it doesn't last long until you start to go crazy especially when you are in a foreign land living like a 40 year old virgin. Also, keep in mind that there is still food, housing, clothing, other expenses, transport, travel, socializing costs, etc. that you need to pay for, so 40% is actually a lot considering all your other expenses. The majority of foreigners I know in South Korea don't make much money, and the ones that like pu##y end up saving (or coming back to your homeland with) nothing.

During some months, back in my "poorer days" of life in SK, I remember spending all (100%) of my extra money (that is non-food, non-housing, non-transport money) on paying for tail. Back then, P4P got to be such a problem for me financially, that I had to treat it like a drug addiction (and manage it as such). At the time, it was making me broke and pushing me back into debt.

One of my Korean ex-bosses even went so deep into debt and ended up fkng up his whole life, even had to sell his car, because he was addicted to P4P. And he still was the last I heard from him, but I have lost contact since. So, it isn't just a sad story for foreigners (Korean guys can also get fkd by the shortage of fine tail in SK). My Korean ex-boss was paying thousands per month (not even for high-end lays, and he wasn't even getting ripped-off on the prices). So, he got into some serious financial trouble. [As I have already mentioned, paying for pu**y can get very expensive in SK]. At this time in my life I'm lucky, so I have more income than most SK foreigners, so it helps relieve my sexual frustration at times, but still it isn't worth what I pay and one of these days I'm going to get back to getting free tail in some other country (when I find that job I'm looking for, LOL!).

Remember that easy beautiful free pu**y is a very hot and short supply commodity wherever you go (in the world), and that's why guys pay big $$$ for it. Also remember that, if you are anything like the 90% of regular guys in the world (like me and probably you), then you are NOT a hot commodity and you will probably be considered the equivalent of toilet paper by most K-girls.

One idea I've come across a few times in the past (in forums like this one and heard while talking with friends about this topic), and it's an idea which I agree strongly with, is that "If you are a successful back home, then you are going to get laid anywhere in the world, and vice versa, if you are not getting laid back home then don't expect that to change just because you stepped on an airplane and flew to another country". A "chump" is a "chump" and "champ" is a "champ", wherever he goes. Girls from every/any country can sense if a guy is a "loser" or a "winner". So, if you're already not good with the ladies, then please don't expect that to change just because you come to South Korea. I'm not trying to insult anybody, I'm just trying to help you avoid some disappointment here. Let's all be more realistic and satisfied with reality, right? It can't all be as good as the fairytales we like to wish are true.

I think the problem is that a few "exceptional guys" come to SK and do well (maybe 5% of foreigner guys), and then everyone back home thinks it's very easy for every guy in SK. So, they want to come out here, too. Well, what they don't realize is that the 5% doing well in SK, would probably be doing even BETTER back home. Just because the 5% does well in SK, it doesn't mean that the rest of the 95% will automatically get laid. And in my experience, that 95% which doesn't do well, ends up getting hurt and emotionally crushed against the rocks of SK's harsh "dating scene" reality.

If your considering coming out here to work, then I recommend that you first take a short trip here and check it for yourself. Do some truthfully objective "recon" if you can. And be unbiased. Set your pride aside, and ask yourself honestly, "Really, how easy was it to get laid? (that is if you can even manage to get laid in SK)". And if you don't get laid (you probably won't) then don't accept those false thoughts, which help you maintain any illusions of being some kind of a successful player. You know, those thoughts like "Maybe if I had stayed for two more days she would have put out" or "if I would have just done this or that instead, I could have surely laid her", or "maybe I was just too (or not enough) aggressive". Those thoughts are all bullsh**, because the truth is it doesn't matter what you "would have done" or "could have done", just look at the facts and "what actually happened" during your exploratory visit to SK. My guess is you won't get any tail/action, at all just based on the odds and probabilities.

It's my impression that K-girls go to clubs/bars for reasons other than to pickup. Maybe, for the attention. Maybe to boost their self-esteem. Maybe they think it's fun to reject guys. Maybe they hate guys, because some guy broke their heart, so now they go to clubs just to torture us. I don't know. Maybe, to brag or for some social reasons. Maybe just to see their friends. I'm not really sure why they are there, but I can tell you why they are not there. And, they are not there to have you, or me, pick them up after a long night of dancing. That much I know based on painful experience.

One thing I think is important to mention is this is only my experience. You, or others, might end up doing well with the Korean ladies while in Korea. You might be that 5%. And I have heard some accounts (and read things online) that would suggest that some guys actually do very well (even in Korea). All I can say is I have never met them (actually, I never even met the 5%ers but I just threw them into the discussion because I've heard rumours about them from time to time). But it is possible that some guys hit a lot of free tail out here??? I'm not an expert on this.

But if these rumours are true, then I guess that there is probably some special circumstances that lend themselves to greater success than the rest of us regular guys. I warn you guys to always try to get more information or understanding of the specifics of any such reports because more often than not, there will be a special reason behind this success. Maybe the guy is drop-dead handsome (like 11+/10, beyond even a 10). Maybe he's a smooth-talker that could sell ice in the arctic, fire in hell, and sand in the desert. Maybe he is a pro-dancers or a "fashionista" from Paris. Maybe he is the next-in-line to inherit CEO daddy's mountain of money, or maybe he already is that wealthy CEO daddy. I don't know??? All I can speak on, is based on what I have known and seen as a regular guy living a more or less regular life, in a more or less regular Korean mid-sized city.

And so far, those so-called players claiming to be "nailing a different girl every week in SK" don't exist. At least not in "my world" or awareness. Maybe, I'm just the world's biggest loser or don't have the right connections, but I tell it like I see it even if it ain't pretty.

Actually, I am going to admit a sort of weird thing that a wingman and I did one night as part of a secret "social experiment". So here it is....we wanted to know if it was something that we were doing wrong that was causing us to get "no free ass in the clubs every weekend", so we did a little experiment to find out. We got a few drinks and then kept them coming all night, drank through the night, and seated ourselves near the exit/entrance of the currently most popular club in town. This was about 3 months ago from today's date, just in case your wondering for reference sake.

Okay.... so we're sitting there, talking without making it obvious (our experiment was secret and no one ever ended up noticing what we were doing). Every once in a while we would try to make eye contact with a hotty or two, just to make it seem like we were just two wingmen "posted up" trying to pickup (using the waiting game strategy). So, we were just sitting there drinking and keeping track (looking) who was entering and leaving the club (and with who!!!). This is a simple experiment and if you don't believe me, you can do it for yourself to find your own results.

Anyway, so we're drinking our drinks, talking, and keeping a close eye on the door and to our amazement, NOBODY, not even one guy picked up that whole Saturday night. At first this shocked me. I couldn't believe it was that bad! I always assumed that at least a few guys would score even on nights when I never did, but no!!! That was just a brutal realization for me and my wingman. My wingman and I watched the dancefloor, and as usual watched guys getting rejected on the floor, too. That was the sadest part of the experiment, actually seeing real people (regular shmucks like us who looked like good guys) getting rejected heartlessly. We tried to figure out if people were already couples, friends, or if they had met for the first time at the club that night. It was a bit hard to just sit there from 12-5 a.m., figure all this out, and watch both the floor, the door, and keep track of all the people, and their statuses (ie. alone or a pickup) coming in and out of the club, but somehow we did it. And although we might have lost some of the "data" or let one or two "errors" slip by us, we were pretty confident in the accuracy of our findings. And besides, overall the end results were clear and shockingly sad to us.

And now, with the results we got from this informal experiment, I'm actually pretty happy I did this experiment because it was enlightening. I know it sounds weird, but it's essentially the same thing that many people do all night at a club anyway (especially if there not big dancers), that is they will just sit talk and drink all night. So, what my wingman and I did, was just the same as them but put some purpose to our "sitting and drinking" by adding some experimentation (and tracking) to our night out. The results were a bit depressing, but definititely valuble and surprising. Maybe it was just a bad night for picking up, or the players were having bad luck that night, but we never saw a single guy come pull a girl out of the club that night. Every guy who went in alone (or with friends) didn't leave with a new girl that he didn't already come into the club with.

Another thing our experiment taught us, was that the K-Girls always leave in big packs. Even if they show up initially to the club alone. Maybe they are sharing rides home for safety or $ reasons, I don't know??? So, we noticed that many were coming to the club alone (or in twos), but leaving in packs of 4-6+ girlfriends. Hey look, if your going to make fun of us for doing this experiment go ahead. I have enough self-confidence to take your insults. The truth is that living in SK things can get a little weird and guys tend to get desperate enough out here to try just about anything (even weird secret social "experiments" like the one I just described). So, please don't be too judgemental of our experiment.

We never bothered doing the experiment again, it was too hard, and sort of a waste of a night. But I sometimes wonder how this would compare with other cities, countries, and clubs. This was just one club, in one city, in one country. That's it.

Another unpleasant thing I learned about Korean ladies by gaming them, is that the vast majority don't do anything sexually that is not "traditional" conservative sex. Almost all K-girls are very conservative when it comes to sex. That means that anything other than "missionary position" will be considered what Koreans, even Korean men (to my shock), will call "dirty" or weird. Unlike the freaky Japanese, even oral is rare/taboo in SK. And if oral happens, your not going to be the recipient (your going to be the provider - and yes like the Japanese they don't shave down there). Don't believe me? Fine. Come here yourself and find out the hard way, or just check some Korean porn and you will see what the "maximum extent of male sexual fantasy" can amount to in SK. And real SK sex is even more conservative than what you will see in that lame Korean-produced porn.

I feel sorry for Korean couples because they just don't know how to "get it on" like the rest of the world does. Although, I don't want to be too judgemental or ethnocentric here, especially because I believe in some ways Korean society benefits greatly from being very traditional. But as far as sex is concerned...... so much lost pleasure just because of fear and over-conservatism. And forget about anal, that is way off-bounds territory for every K-girl I ever layed (even paid lays). Even oral is hard to get from paid lays in SK, and K-girls will rather give you missionary instead of a BJ.

Some more helpful advice is don't even ask for those things if you ever want a repeat on the lay. If you do ask for those things, you will never lay that same girl again, you will get slapped, or you will end up arguing the rest of the night away. [Yes, I forgot to mention, one other thing about Korean girls which is that many, of course not all, but many tend to be very violent. Hitting spouses, male associates, and boyfriends is very common in SK. It is even common to see K-girls hitting men on TV shows/TV Dramas, and it is considered socially and publicly acceptable as long as the woman is doing the hitting.

Okay, so just to get back onto the topic here..... without getting into too many generalizations, insulting anyone, or starting any other off topics......to conclude my experience with Korean girls and picking them up has been very negative. The best way in my experience is to try another country or if you end up coming to Korea because you have no other choice, then be ready and prepared for disappointment when you arrive in South Korea. The Korean "dating pickup scene" will be one of the ways culture shock will "hit you the hardest" when you get here, maybe even more dramatically than the change in workplace, dress, food, language, etc.

I hope all that information helps.

Good luck to all the good guys out there, by that I mean the guys that are just trying to play and not hurt anyone else in the process.....and if you're in South Korea, then your definitely going to need a lot of good luck, LOL!!!

Thanks for the info. Sounds like a player´s worst nightmare. After reading the post, it makes me want to take the first plane to Argentina.
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(11-01-2012 10:04 PM)Midnightrunner Wrote:  I hope all that information helps.

Good luck to all the good guys out there, by that I mean the guys that are just trying to play and not hurt anyone else in the process.....and if you're in South Korea, then your definitely going to need a lot of good luck, LOL!!!

Great first post man, and solid realistic info. I don't think I have had any particular desire to visit SK for some reason. I liked my brief trip to China, and Japan is on my radar, but certainly based on this assessment there seems little point in going there if pickup is to be a major component of the trip. I think it would be easier to take K-girls down when they're on vacation in other parts of Asia.

I did find this interesting article on SK (via heartiste), and I wonder if it has any bearing on what you observed.
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com.au/2011/...tself.html

BTW that was a great social experiment you pulled. It might actually be useful to do this anywhere you go to see what the lay of the land is, so to speak.
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Found Korea pretty good. Plenty of cute girls interested in white guys. Even got one off craigslist.

Alot of blow offs - it's hard to cold approach - but you can get girls. It IS hard in clubs, it really was blowout central. BUT you can do it. It's true no guys will usually pick up on a given club night... I like those odds though because means you can stand out. Most guys suck, Korean guys especially have absolutely no game atall.

Goto student areas and Itaewon (no longer a complete foreigner shit-hole, now also a "trendy" area for curious Koreans, kinda when a rough part of town becomes cool - we got opened by several sets of quirky girls, some in mixed groups). In contrast, any Gangnam club or even the student clubs is really tough to pull from. I did though, girls get attracted, you just have to slash through the thickened crust of social conditioning.

You wont be banging top notch hotties. But you can pull cute/curious girls same as Japan. Maybe Japan is easier, it probably is. But meh, Korea is doable, and the girls are lovely (passionate, interesting)
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(11-02-2012 09:43 AM)RichieP Wrote:  Found Korea pretty good. Plenty of cute girls interested in white guys. Even got one off craigslist.

So out of all the K-girls you banged, where did they originate? On-line, social circle, day game, etc.? Any patterns you observed? Their pristine skin and legs are often to die for. Also they seem to have larger racks, on average, than Chinese girls for example.
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(11-02-2012 09:54 AM)Menace Wrote:  
(11-02-2012 09:43 AM)RichieP Wrote:  Found Korea pretty good. Plenty of cute girls interested in white guys. Even got one off craigslist.

So out of all the K-girls you banged, where did they originate? On-line, social circle, day game, etc.? Any patterns you observed? Their pristine skin and legs are often to die for. Also they seem to have larger racks, on average, than Chinese girls for example.

1 online, 2 from clubs, 2 social circle (had a korean friend with some connections there). was there in Seoul 2.5 weeks. not a huge data set but it was enough for an informed opinion I think. Patterns = nothing particularly unusual for asian countries... they're reserved on cold approach, some middle-class are curious and open to westerners, there's a foreigner-hunting area (Itaewon),many upper-class are completely closed off, social circle helps alot, etc etc.

Yeah they're pretty appealing girls. I dunno if they're any better physically than chinese or japs, they're all pretty similar physically I find. I do like the korean eyebrows though. they move them in a certain way that makes them really cute, its strangely unique. personality wise I really dig them, especially the "rebellious" ones that are willing to be a little orthogonal to their culture.
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Not buying Midnightrunner's take on Korea...the length, bitterness and talk of P4P in the post convinces me that something is off here.

He's stayed for 4 years in mid-sized cities? Seoul is where it's at in Korea.

And K-girls don't give oral? I've taken home movies which I could enter as evidence to the contrary in a court of law.

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(11-02-2012 05:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Not buying Midnightrunner's take on Korea...the length, bitterness and talk of P4P in the post convinces me that something is off here.

He's stayed for 4 years in mid-sized cities? Seoul is where it's at in Korea.

And K-girls don't give oral? I've taken home movies which I could enter as evidence to the contrary in a court of law.

I don't buy it either. He could've easily explained all that in 2 paragraph. The post length and it being his first post. Sounds fishy to me.
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(11-02-2012 06:57 PM)OldRich Wrote:  
(11-02-2012 05:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Not buying Midnightrunner's take on Korea...the length, bitterness and talk of P4P in the post convinces me that something is off here.

He's stayed for 4 years in mid-sized cities? Seoul is where it's at in Korea.

And K-girls don't give oral? I've taken home movies which I could enter as evidence to the contrary in a court of law.

I don't buy it either. He could've easily explained all that in 2 paragraph. The post length and it being his first post. Sounds fishy to me.

It is an overall take of a country and I believe him. Yes Seoul would have been better for him.....but the overall picture is sincere. It is sad that the 2nd tier cities arent good in Korea. Seems like a different trend compared to all over the world.
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(11-02-2012 07:59 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  
(11-02-2012 06:57 PM)OldRich Wrote:  
(11-02-2012 05:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Not buying Midnightrunner's take on Korea...the length, bitterness and talk of P4P in the post convinces me that something is off here.

He's stayed for 4 years in mid-sized cities? Seoul is where it's at in Korea.

And K-girls don't give oral? I've taken home movies which I could enter as evidence to the contrary in a court of law.

I don't buy it either. He could've easily explained all that in 2 paragraph. The post length and it being his first post. Sounds fishy to me.

It is an overall take of a country and I believe him. Yes Seoul would have been better for him.....but the overall picture is sincere. It is sad that the 2nd tier cities arent good in Korea. Seems like a different trend compared to all over the world.

That makes sense. Korean default mentality = Keep or improve the family bloodline atall costs (which means marrying a Korean). It's in their genes, it's a survival mechanism from 3000 years of being sandwiched between two superpowers and having to endure constant marauding Chinese and Japanese. Koreanness = seal the blast doors, work extremely hard, survive, keep the bloodline pure at all costs.

Only the adventurous, internationally-influenced ones are willing to deviate from this default conditioning... and I guess they're mainly in Seoul.
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That video is hilarious, especially after the three minute mark. God damn foreigners.
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ahh and those poor victims of foreigners!!!

I like when the guy says "we need to think critically about this problem". Still good ole asian racism, but at least some attempt to disguise it under the veil of 'critical thinking', haha.

Makes a change from just being a Crazy Farang in Thailand or White-Devil in China though Wink
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"One girl was waiting for a taxi when a foreigner approached her and soon became intimate" Reality: Girl was soliciting by the side of the road. Only Korean tv can't admit to that.
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(11-05-2012 06:00 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  "One girl was waiting for a taxi when a foreigner approached her and soon became intimate" Reality: Girl was soliciting by the side of the road. Only Korean tv can't admit to that.

Unlikely, I never saw any street solicitation anywhere in Korea.
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"How I Became Famous in South Korea Without Ever Stepping Foot in the Country" by Sabra

Some years ago my roommate and I met a couple of Korean girls at some bar in Koreatown in New York City. End up taking them home the same night. Both of them were fine, plastic surgery, real nice.

We ended up putting them on the rotation. The 4 of us would hang out once or twice a week, hit some bars or clubs, restaurants, whatever, and they'd always come back to our place.

The girls were a little shady though. They said they worked in a nail salon, but it was clear they had money. They'd insist on paying half the time when we went out, plus at one point one of them showed up with a Benz and the other cruised around in a Land Rover. They didn't care either, would let us drive their cars whenever we wanted to. Obviously they weren't just on a nail salon salary.

Come to find out, one of the girls was a famous radio talk show host in Korea. She'd been living in NY for a while, and would do online broadcasts back to Korea from time to time. The talk show was all about sex and relationships, and guess who was the subject of the last few weeks broadcasts...yeah, yours truly.

The girls were pretty freaky too, and real good at taking commands. After they finally told us about the radio show, they said the ratings had gone through the roof since they started sharing our stories.

So that's the story of how my roommate and I became famous in S. Korea without ever going there. We enjoyed those girls so much I ended up searching out a few more Korean girls after that. In NY I always found them to be hot and down to party. I can't vouch for the girls in South Korea, but was always anxious to visit and give it a try.
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Sabra that is fucking awesome, haha. I bet girls in S. Korea go crazy for an expat girls stories from NY too. Amazing lol.
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(11-07-2012 01:08 AM)RichieP Wrote:  Sabra that is fucking awesome, haha. I bet girls in S. Korea go crazy for an expat girls stories from NY too. Amazing lol.

Thanks RichieP. Those girls were great. We couldn't get rid of them at the end though. They were boomerangs. No matter how hard we threw them, they always came right back.
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Economist speaks on Southern Korea

Typically, around four or five men will sit down at a table and be served expensive whiskey and fruit. They are assigned a waiter, who will go around the other tables to find a group of women, whom they bring over to the men’s table…The waiter does this in return for a tip. The larger the tip, the prettier the women he will bring.

…Waiters maintain lists of attractive women’s phone numbers and will call them up and offer free, or very cheap, tables and drinks for them and their friends. This is more than compensated for by the price men will pay. Men will happily lay out 150,000 won (almost US$150) each in table fees and tips. Despite the cost, some men go very often. In fact, there is an expression, night-jukdoli, for a man addicted to booking and nightclubs. The female equivalent is a night-juksooni.

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I saw that there are several threads on S. Korea, so I hope this is the appropriate one to resurrect. I'm not surprised that many of you have had a difficult time in Korea, as it can be a harsh place. I lived one year in Pyongtaek. If you go there to live, perhaps teaching English or in the US military and end up outside of Seoul, you can still find some action. Based on my experiences, the way to go about it is by social group game. You need to find and get into several social groups. I suggest the following:

1. Pick two or three hangout bars. Bar/restaurants in Korea very often have a predominantly female management or staff. When you start hanging out, especially if it's a place that doesn't get many foreign customers, they will probably be cold and indifferent to you for awhile. Just hang-out, be friendly and nice to men and women alike, display value, and they will eventually come around. Once you have been accepted into the group of the bar staff and their regular customers, it will likely happen that at least one of the women working or coming there will start to become attracted to you. You will likely have to be discreet when you meet up with her, but I'm sure you can handle that. Once you start going out with them and doing different activities (skiing, going to other restaurants, going to the beach, etc) you will meet more of their friends and so it goes. Once in one of my hangout bars one night unexpectedly the bartender introduced me to a woman friend of hers who lived in Hong Kong and had come back to Korea for a week-long vacation. You know how that kind of thing often turns out.

2. Join an activity club like a hiking club. There will be a lot of senior citizens in many of these clubs. These people are often the nicest to foreigners because they remember the UN helping them out in the Korean War. The people in these activity groups, once they decide that you are a nice person, will invite you into their social circles and you will meet women in a situation in which you will already have perceived status and cred.

3. Find some other kind of group that interests you: a church, volunteering at the orphanage (there are many orphanages in Korea), or something like that. Again, it will help you get into a social group.

When you are in a social group, you don't need to worry so much about Korean men cockblocking you, because you aren't in the kind of situation where they can do that so easily.
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Korea update 2014.
There are users here who've already written about this in better detail. The best details I've read on Korea came from Booshala on the Korea 2012 data-sheet. Go and read his posts now. Korea is no different today. If anything it's gotten worse. I have also lauded the post in this very thread by Excelsior from a guy named Gorbachev, and am doing so again. From my experiences he's also correct on how it goes down.

This is more of a reflection on my experiences and some of the motions when out on the pull. Not much specialized advice on Korean women in particular, for it was here that I first became aware of Roosh V and applicably aware of the game.

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Once you get here download the instant messenger app called Kakao Talk. Everyone with a smartphone will be using this. An alternative to number closing is to ask for a Kakao talk I.D. and say you want to practice your Korean/ or say you seem like you have good taste and would like her to recommend a good restaurant/ museum/ cafe/ bar/ pet-shop^^

I’m still at a pretty basic level in the game. I came to Korea to teach and pay bills, not for the women. I had some luck not long after coming here, but it wasn't until three years had passed and after getting my little chicken heart broken in two, that I really started to put myself out there. I leveraged height (191,) fashion (“gay” explanation below,) and speaking Korean to compensate and in the end my total notch count averaged out to one every other month. Most of that was in Seoul. Got blown out there way more too. I've been told that this is about half of what some guys pull and even less. I believe them. I also spent time in a few different relationships.

I remember a high school student asking me have you ever had a one night stand with a Korean girl? I lied to him and said no, but it does happen here (for the record, four... And four more same night lays with women whom I saw again.) Think about it this way- any country saturated with western culture, cheap alcohol and places for men and women to meet privately make this possible. Discretion will be useful to any foreigner. The locals seem to practice it less and less every day. I'm tired of the obnoxious way that couples act. There is an overemphasis on pda in front of others that's just really juvenile. I'll admit to it being an issue of insecurity on my part, but either way don't be that guy.

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Taxis- base fare starts at 3k won (1000 won being slightly under $1.) If you're central 10k won should take you as far as 5 km even at night when the base fare goes up 20%. I have dropped 30-40k won several times before when I took girls from Seoul to the boondocks where I used to live, but that was either with groups or after a night of drinking where there's no question between you and her why she is going all the way back to yours. Taxi drivers in Korea are generally honest. The one place to be cautious of them is at the airport.

But why take a taxi if you're not bringing someone back? Subways are great too! Fast, cheap (1050won+) and easy to navigate. All the maps and station signs have English under the Korean. The last trains are usually a few minutes after midnight.

Buses are usually only in Korean, save for some announcements made in English while on board regarding upcoming stations. Some people have trouble navigating them but once I learned how to read Hangeul I found them easy. Just ask the bus driver 'location name + gayo?' before boarding to make sure, and then listen out for your stop.

Setup
Setting up a date by text is basically the same as it would be elsewhere. Don't waste time trying to have a conversation. Ask about her plans for the week on the second or third of your texts. Korean girls like to say that they're busy but the truth is that Korea may be the greatest country in the world at merely appearing busy. Suggest to her that what you're doing is more fun (go do something fun!) than her "work." Be prepared for a lot of flaking.

Where to go
From experience, the two biggest outdoor date spots have been...
Yeoui-naru park (a river front) and Cheonggye-cheon (creek in the middle of downtown.) Of course you only go to either in good weather. Because these are are the places every Korean couple goes to, for you to take a girl to either, especially to Cheonggye-cheon at night, sends a message to her that you're not interested in being friends or just doing language exchange. These spots are best left for a second date or later.

Go ahead and take her out on a dinner date. Why? Because Korean barbecue is delicious and you have no choice but to order for two people anyway. Might as well invite someone out to enjoy the meal with. Customers in a bbq restaurant sit at a table with a built-in grill and are given raw meat that they are expected to cook themselves. It's a good time to challenge your girl on her cooking skills. You can get some quality meat, and all of the sides that Korean meals are known for, with a bottle of the local liquor to boot, for around 30k won.

I can't say much on specific venues and locales. The same venue that was dead on Friday was a blast on Saturday. A bar I thought was too gritty my first year here became my favorite place in Seoul on Saturday night, only to have it close down mere days after I moved to the city. Korea gives you more room for improvisation than in Japan via cheaper taxis, love hotels and even dvd rooms (a popular place for teenagers to get their horizontal relief.) A few brief words on the three areas that every last person who has been to Seoul knows about...

1- Hongdae
The university crowd, but all sorts of people hang out here. Start at the park a block away from the university, weather permitting. It's a great place to get started and approach some locals and foreigners. Ratios have been terrible the last few times I went out though. Like 80/20 terrible. Hongdae used to be known as the artsy/hipster area to hang out but most of that scene has moved to neighboring Hapjeong and Sangsu.

2- Itaewon
this is the most well known foreign area in Korea, and probably the only area where the people running the shops can speak English. The MP's are on the lookout for the soldiers who break curfew. Said soldiers have all gone to Hongdae, so Itaewon has once again become popular with Korean's who once feared the ornery soldier presence there. Even some of the posh Gangnam crowd comes here now. Itaewon is notoriously difficult to find a taxi on a weekend night after the trains stop running. Also worth noting that there is only one hotel in the neighborhood. Plan accordingly.

3- Gangnam- there are plenty of bars here but this area is usually the place for ballers spittin' that club game if they've got it. The usual strategy was to go before 11, pay a 10k won cover instead of 30, get your wristband, pregame at a bar (or even outside of the convenience store if the nights weather permits) and comeback to the club later. Some guys swear by Gangnam because of the quality of women, but I'm not a fan.

One thing that a lot of Korean guys do right is to bail on venues (assuming you don't didn't have to pay cover.) I've seen many a local spend not ten seconds in the door and upon assessing a dead venue or a sausage-fest (more of those everyday it seems,) walk right back out. No shame or uncomfortable obligation to stay there if they cant give you what you're looking for. This is especially prudent considering many spots are designed for groups. You sit a a table with your group and mingling with others is kept to a minimum because... well because Confucianism. Even more so if the place has booths where you can't see the other people there. I like bars with darts or pool because you can always approach an even pair of girls and ask if they'd like to play a game with you and your wing.

I knew a guy who would game on the subway. I've done my share of approaches there as well. But these days the girls board the train and face away from the passengers and use their phones for the entire trip. Those seated will be doing the same, heads buried in their Kakao Talk or their social networking. In any given subway car virtually all women will be doing this. The ones who aren’t are old enough to be your grandmother.

This isn't just an issue on the subway. To say that smartphone addiction is epidemic here feels like an understatement. Any cellphone game you got will be gold in this country. I've approached with a line in Korean written on my phone and asked her “is the correct way to write this?” Also approached girls about what they were listening to, and if she knew any good Korean music that wasn't K-pop. You can ask for directions too but Koreans aren't too helpful in giving them.

All is not lost if you find yourself outside of Seoul. I've lived in the burbs, and even further out than that. Nightlife in some shape or form can be found near almost any university, the issue being...

Language-
The further you are from Seoul, the number of Koreans who can speak anything resembling communicable English will nosedive. Do you need to speak Korean to pull? No, but it definitely helps. It helped me to be able to pull in cases where I otherwise wouldn't have. The alphabet can be locked down in a few weeks- some say days but that's only if you're in the country and reading everything in sight. From there you learn the basic sentence structure- subject/object/verb. ALL sentences end in either a verb or an adjective. Learn some key phrases and the two most important verbs, to have and to do. Once you know 'to do' you can turn a number of nouns into verbs relatively easily. My grammar is still terrible but everyone gets the idea.

A major caveat is that while I'm conversational, I'm not good enough to function professionally, which will only work against you with anyone who has no interest in talking to a foreigner. With the corresponding increase in foreigners and tourists whose first language is not English, the number of Koreans willing to accommodate your broken Korean drops everyday, and it will soon be where your Korean should be enough to communicate without issue or you just speak to them in English. To be fair, my pronunciation is deceptively good, and so that may play in role in the reactions I get when my abilities don't match up.

Race-
Here we go, the reason that turns a lot of guys off to this place. No race trolling intended, but experience has shown me that the ideal type of foreign man here is- tall, slim, white, light-colored hair, handsome and fashionable. Might as well call me a height and appearance troll too! The ideal local is tall, slim, handsome, fashionable and of means. These guys don't usually have much trouble making things happen.

It's true that being a westerner in this country had value maybe ten or fifteen years ago. Today your social capital here is zero. If you're not white then it's less than that and you have your work cut out for you. Real talk. I lost count of how many times I've gotten lackluster responses compared to white friends I was with whom spoke little or no Korean. To reiterate what's said in the Gorbachev post, it's not that uncommon to see a good looking Korean girl with a white guy, but save for how it goes down in Itaewon, there is an absolute dearth of black guys being able to do the same.

There's been a popular show on tv here lately called 비정상회담 (lit. abnormal summit) featuring young foreign men who speak business level Korean. One of them is a guy from Ghana named Sam Ochiri- well dressed, classy and outgoing. All those guys on the show did endorsements like all Korean celebrities do, and Sam kept his to clothing retailers and language schools while his white counterparts on the show were happy to, in addition, do ads for pizza and fried chicken. I predict that any black guy in the future who gets laid here will have him (and any other black guy lucky enough to follow in that mold) to thank. Don't hold your breath waiting for it.

As a white guy you have a head and shoulders advantage over any other foreigner here. That said, you also have the burden of being the target of envy and cock-blocking from the local men (and women) more than anyone else.

In defense of Koreans, most of the xenophobia (and interest) is because of what they see in media. There's always some news break on MBC (the Korean network equivalent of FOX News) about foreigners caught fighting or with drugs or molesting minors. It only takes one of us to fuck up- one bad apple spoils the whole tree.

Of course, race isn’t the only factor to consider, and you can make it easier on yourself with...

Fashion-
This is by far the easiest leverage to manipulate in your favor. Especially for darker men, good fashion will give some girls who would otherwise disqualify you the perception that you're in a higher social class than represented by your skin color. It's a joke how some guys look walking out of the house. Had a few girls here tell me that they thought I was gay when they first saw me. Why? The association with gays is of being fashionable and of a higher social circle than the average Tom Dick and Harry. She knows your straight but your “gay” fashion makes you seem safer than the guy who looks like he came out of prison this afternoon.

A lot of guys know that Itaewon and Hongdae are the places to go to find Korean girls who may be curious about foreigners. So they all go and after many weekends of trying, a few of them eventually get laid. Most of them don't though, and one of the reasons why is that they wear the same shit they wore back on campus in armpit Canada or perineum USA. Baggy cargo pants, sandals and a horseshoe rimmed cap says to the women that you have not moved up in the world beyond your student years. Many of the foreigners here are clueless about this because they came off the boat and tethered themselves to the first 4 or 5 that thought they were cute. Or they were blue pill incels back home and resigned themselves to being the same thing here.

I don't think there's a science to it, nor is there anything about good fashion over here that comes off as gay (Koreans are just so used to foreigners looking sloppy.) Wear clothes that fit. Stay away from loose fits and loud colors. You don't have to wear skinny jeans but slim fit reigns supreme here. Tuck your shirt in. Conform to what the local guys here do. No need to wear anything flashy- if you're not from here you already stand out enough. As has been said, dress for the kind of girl you're looking for. Among locals it's mostly either hipster, professional or a mix of the two.

As for the body types that you should aspire to... All things equal, skinny guys with fashion can pull just fine, burly men can too but will have to put in a little more work. Slim men with definition will blow them both out. Fat guys are fucked. Is any of that a surprise?

A notice on pulling...
If you're an attractive man and/or your game hand is strong, you may get accused of being a playboy. Simply deny and proceed. She probably knows if you are but chances are she's willing to go along with it. I don't think you lose frame with a girl here if you ask her to do something (cook the meat at the restaurant, hail a taxi, ask for her help translating something) every now and then. They know what they're doing, just like when you invite them out to drink they know what you're thinking and if they're interested being under the influence of alcohol is a perfect excuse for how she let her passions get the better of her judgment.

Horray for 'plausible deniability' in Asia!

Right up until they were on my bed I've had women play that frame. Just keep leading and moving forward. Bang applies just as well for Korea once they are in your apartment. If she doesn't want to take it that far, she will stop you. Some may simply get their things and leave. Has happened to me a few times.

If you're just traveling here, consider renting a spot on air-bnb. I haven't had a first bang outside of my apartment in well over a year now. Going to a hotel takes away your plausible deniability! But if you know for certain then go for it.

A win, a fail and some numbers...
win
A highlight of the past year was with one of the baddest girls I ever pulled from online. Had an athletic body (she was a personal trainer,) and was full in the right places. Flaked on me for months, until I finally moved to Seoul and I called her instead of trying to set everything up by text. We met in my neighborhood, did dinner, drinks, darts (nice way to make physical contact along with pool- guiding them on how to properly take a shot) and went back to mine on the first night, all inside of six hours. It's worth noting that less than ten percent of our conversation that night was in English. Not so much a testament to my game (or language ability) as it was just luck and persistence (DHV by moving to Seoul played a huge role as well.) The takeaway from this was that sometimes you have to just see an opportunity and pounce.

fail
One of the worst (best) fails I had was doing a street approach on a girl late in Hongdae (she was drunk, and this was before I lived in Seoul.) I should've pushed for an insta-date right there but got her number and agreed to meet a few days later. I sat there and watched her text the whole time, make fun of my Korean (she lived in California for a year) and take phone calls without excusing herself. She cut the date short after one of those calls. I then suggested to her that she pay for lunch and as soon as she did, thanked her and walked out of the restaurant. One of my friends pointed out to me that the worse attitudes came from women who were on the wrong side of 30. Why bother?

numbers...
How many dates/meetings (including the initial approach) until I get the bang?
Usually three, sometimes two. Four on a few occasions, and with the hottest girl I ever pulled here, five (certain that it could have been done in four though, as by day five she was the one to suggest a hotel- I was such a nice guy back then.) Any girl who even agrees to a second date knows what's possible at the end.

How many days?
My average time was three weeks. While it takes stronger game and more leverage to shorten the number of dates/meetings to the first bang, if she really likes you, the time-frame can be shortened. She may only wait until date 4 but instead of four weeks you can make it happen in two. Western girls, especially the ones who refuse to touch a Korean guy, will let you beat it up in much less time.

What did a first kiss mean?
80 percent of the time it meant that I would be banging her the same day. If back at mine or in a hotel the first kiss initiated foreplay (discretion in public for the win!) Without the appropriate comfort however, it could also mean that she'd make me wait until the next meeting or that she'd leave and never contact me again.

English fever!
A third of my bangs had the explicit or implicit purpose of learning English from me.

Bad news if you're rolling solo...
The quality of your opportunities will usually go down. Attractive women have high shields up even in the daytime. Not so high if with a friend. The best quality I ever pulled was in groups/social circle. Girls here roll in packs. Save for a stroke of luck or two, the most attractive girls I ever pulled solo was online. But that's very time consuming and unless you pipeline hard before coming, I don't recommend it.

Speaking of online...
When online- tall, white, handsome and fashionable is king. Many Korean women will explicitly state something to this effect, and half who say nothing in their profile won't be interested in foreigners period. Forty percent of my bangs came from online and while I did alright, it was both after being able to text in Korean and moving to Seoul from the boonies. Before that, it was just awful.

Final thoughts.
Like women the world over it's hard to say no to a potential experience with a confident, socially savvy man. As has been said before, Koreans are simply more discreet and pragmatic than their counterparts in the Anglo-sphere. Discretion is your friend over here. The desire to sleep around does exist for a few. You can thank the influence of the west for that...

Somewhere down the line you can also thank that influence should feminism ever spiral out of control like it has there.

With most girls you are playing um, boyfriend game- if only in show. Leave the asshole game that you use on American girls where it belongs and focus on being funny, nice, playful but of course persistent with the light contact- high fives, hand comparisons and readings, forearm touching, leading by the hand etc. You can do some minor escalation in a bar. More-so if you get her to any private place (karaoke, dvd-room.) And for the tenth time, don't forget to be discreet out in the street.

So to recap...
Approach wherever or whenever you're comfortable. Any opener you got. Asking for translation help is better than asking wether she speaks English because Koreans are fiercely proud of their country and language. They only use the barbaric growling you call language as a tool for work, ha.

“Excuse me, can you tell me what this says in English?”
“it says Korea Telecom welcomes you to Korea”
“Oh okay great, so there's nothing about scary high roaming charges or anything?”
“No (smiles)”
“You speak English well!”
“Oh no no, I don't.”
“It's better than my Korean haha- btw I'm Daniel, what's your name?”
“My name is Yu-na.”
“Nice to meet you Yu-na...”

Roosh's text guide is reliable here. When a girl flakes on you it usually means your value wasn't high enough (I've told some DHV lies to girls about plans to check, and sure enough, the replies lit up my phone in a matter of minutes.) Or sometimes it's just because her dog died.

Boyfriend or social circle game + persistence + discretion = profit. If by the third meeting you haven't kissed her, you are probably her ride on the free English teacher/ free food / self-validation express for this month.

Have fun. Be silly, poke fun at yourself and at her. Grade your language, speak slowly, clearly and use lots of gestures- it's Korea. Play dumb and tell her you want her to be your Korean tour guide. Drink, go to karaoke (noraebang- 노래방,) go play darts, play pool, go to the batting cages, to screen golf, go to the park, to the traditional markets, on a picnic, take pictures of her, let her take selfies with your phone, draw a mustache on her face and send it to her, etc.

As has been said before, competition in Korea compared to other countries is beyond rough. A scant few will say different but the majority will agree. I have been here too long to not have anything to talk about.

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Great datasheet! Which websites do you use for online game in Korea?
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