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RE: Vietnam vert serving up dude with a two piece now a full length film
(10-18-2012 05:36 PM)DarkTriad Wrote: (10-18-2012 05:49 AM)j r Wrote: (10-18-2012 04:58 AM)Mage Wrote: Danny Trejo is a cool masculine actor I will watch this movie because of him definately.
But this racial anti-white PC thing you have in USA is ridicilous and miserable indeed. A white old man beats a black youngster, but the remake is a latino guy beating up white skinheads instead? WTF?
I wonder will masses notice that?
Yeah, America is real anti-white. It's real tough being a white guy these days. Young white men can't even walk down the street without being stopped and frisked by the police. If Mitt Romney is elected president, I bet people start implying that he's not really an American and demand to see his birth certificate.
Yeah, it's almost like a white guy would apply for college, a job, or a government contract and be blatantly discriminated because of his race. Anyone that thinks this could happpen is obviously out of their mind or trolling.
Don't be daft, man. React to what I said, not what you think I said. Yes, affirmative action exists and I'm not the biggest fan of it. The existence of affirmative action, however, doesn't mean that, on the whole, that the United States has flipped to being "anti-white." There's a million and one reasons that someone might have an advantage over someone else in college admissions or government contracts or jobs. Maybe it's affirmative action, maybe it's being a legacy, maybe it's having a family connection.
What's more, you can do this little experiment yourself. Write up two resumes with the exact same history, but call one John Jones and call one Jamal Jones. You want to put some money down on which gets more interviews?
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RE: Vietnam vert serving up dude with a two piece now a full length film
(10-18-2012 07:36 AM)Mage Wrote: (10-18-2012 07:31 AM)Mage Wrote: (10-18-2012 05:49 AM)j r Wrote: Yeah, America is real anti-white. It's real tough being a white guy these days. Young white men can't even walk down the street without being stopped and frisked by the police. If Mitt Romney is elected president, I bet people start implying that he's not really an American and demand to see his birth certificate.
Thay made a movie and they wante to cast Danny Trejo, because Danny Trejo is a badass. Stop reading into this shit too much. You know how many movies have been made where the people in real life where non-white, but were cast as white to make the movie more mainstream?
I don't believe Holywood cannot find a badass white guy. But ok that I can forgive because I want to see Danny kicking ass too. But I cannot accept that Hollywood can't find black extras for him to beat up in the bus scene. And fuck making everything mainstream. Lets just be honest. If black guys commit a crime make a movie with black guys being criminals. If a white guy commits crime then make a movie with white guys being criminals.
The same Ron Pearlman could have been a perfect white guy to play Dannys role too.
Yeah, they could have gotten John Wayne's reanimated corpse as well. Why would Ron Pearlman be in a straight-to-Netflix streaming movie? Danny Trejo is about the right level of star power to be in this movie.
There's a hundred different reasons why they might cast one dude over a number. And like I said, it's worth noting the racial changes, but why is it a big deal. You realize that this is a fiction movie, right? It's not a documentary. There are plenty of movies that you can watch where black guys are criminals. One movie with a latin dude beating up skinheads shouldn't get you all worked up.
What about that blackjack movie with Kevin Spacey? In real life the MIT professor was Asian as where his students that he took to count cards in the casinos. In the movie, they're all white. Does that mean the US is now racist and anti-Asian?
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| 10-18-2012 07:02 PM |
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RE: Vietnam vert serving up dude with a two piece now a full length film
(10-18-2012 04:58 AM)Mage Wrote: Danny Trejo is a cool masculine actor I will watch this movie because of him definately.
But this racial anti-white PC thing you have in USA is ridicilous and miserable indeed. A white old man beats a black youngster, but the remake is a latino guy beating up white skinheads instead? WTF?
I wonder will masses notice that?
They want to make it into an uplifting moral parable, about one man fighting the forces of evil. Batshit crazy white guy beating up dumb drunk black guy with corn rows is just kind of depressing by comparison, at least to Hollywood folk.
You can imagine if, say, the film 'Pursuit of Happyness,' which was based on a true story about a black guy, was played by an Asian guy, some people would get angry. I'd be disappointed too. Personally, I think movies should express some truth about society. When you change some of the most fundamental details of the story, it just becomes this weird fantasy tale, like science fiction, but duller. Whatever race you are, it'll impact how you behave and how you're perceived. It's going to color how you go through life.
Most people in the world identify with their ethnicity - they don't see it as something irrelevant or trivial. The same goes for one's sex. But few would dream of representing a man with a woman, of acting as if gender is irrelevant. So why is it okay with race? But when it comes to race, Hollywood just acts as if it's meaningless.
In short, changing the race of the protagonist is just bad storytelling.
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RE: Vietnam vert serving up dude with a two piece now a full length film
I remember a cop flick called "Fatal Beauty" that starred Whoopi Goldberg as a cop working a drug case I believe. It was actually written for Sylvester Stallone in that role, but somehow Goldberg ended up playing it. It isn't uncommon in Hollywood, particularly for black actors, to end up with supposedly starring roles that got passed over by any number of popular white actors before it finally fell in their laps. There's a bit of an unwritten code that actors don't talk about roles they turned down (especially when the movie ends up being a hit, and the actor that took the role gets a lot of acclaim, but also if it fails so you don't look like you're bragging about turning it down), though sometimes the stories end up getting out anyway. On "Alien 3," Sigourney Weaver fought to get Charles Dutton in that role, while the producers probably had someone else in mind. Honestly, most great roles are written with white actors in mind, and sometimes a black actor will fight to at least get to read for it and sometimes change minds. In the October issue of GQ, Denzel Washington does a great interview. He was asked about roles he turned down that he regrets, and he was very honest. He turned down a role in "Seven" (probably the Morgan Freeman part), and "Michael Clayton." He said the Clayton stuff was some of the best he had read in some time, but was nervous about working with a first-time director. He admitted to his mistake. He also wanted roles in "Platoon" and "Full Metal Jacket" (my favorite war film). Kubrick doesn't send out scripts, so he had no idea what he would play. He wanted the role Willem Dafoe played in "Platoon." Denzel is one of the few black guys in Hollywood that can either get most gigs he's interested in, or either get things written with him in mind or develop his own projects and get them made. For projects that are based on actual events, producers will often make changes that they think will make the movie more marketable, and will want to put familiar faces in roles to draw guaranteed audience. Perhaps they couldn't get the names they wanted in the role (a project based on a guy that got in a fight on bus that got uploaded to YouTube might not be attractive to a big-name actor), so they found a character actor like Trejo who doesn't turn down work. I agree that true stories should be kept as close to the actual events as possible, but the powers that be in Hollywood always believe they know better what will sell, or what the public will want. They aren't always right, but are too afraid to test it because of the money involved.
"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
(This post was last modified: 10-18-2012 09:36 PM by Timoteo.)
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