Post: #26

(10-26-2012 09:15 PM)RawGod Wrote:  This is what's happening in Brazil:

It's demographic transition.

For convenience, assume that the 20-24 demographic females are are "target". Then observe the relative number of males, on the left, in the two age ranges above that one (that is, 25-29 and 30-34). These are your sexual competitors. (Males in the 20-24 demographic are also competitors of course, but they will have similar numbers to their female peers so that will cancel out in comparisons).

The more 25-34 year old males there are relative to the 20-24 year old females, the tougher the sexual market place.

Look carefully at Brazil and you will see that is just now entering a permanently worsening trend. For the first time, the 15-19 cohort is significantly smaller than the 20-24 cohort. (As this is two years old, consider this the 17-21s - the hottest girls in the SMP). The young hotties in Brazil are finding slightly older men in their country lining up to compete for them in numbers that did not apply 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago.

What you need is a country with a traditional pyramid formation where each younger cohort is larger than the previous one i.e. steady population growth. Few countries show this anymore. But the exceptions like the Philippines will continue to be the easiest countries for chasing women.

This is a perfect response and gets right to the heart of the issue. The old RatioFactor blog (RIP) touched on this as well.

The key to all of this lies in the simple facts of biology:

1. Older men are generally more desirable to women than their younger selves. Women prefer men above their age range.
2. Younger women are generally more desirable than their older counterparts. Men, if given a choice, generally prefer to date women below them in age. Men of all age ranges are essentially competing most fiercely for women

These realities ensure that younger men are always vulnerable to competition to older males who (being essentially more experienced, affluent and confident versions of themselves) have an edge with younger girls.
Older women, meanwhile, are vulnerable to competition from younger females, a dynamic frequently referred to as "trading in for a new model", or something to that end. Women are well aware of this, and do everything in their power to guard against it (including shaming).

This leads to an important demographic intersection with fertility rates.

A. When fertility rates are increasing, things are good for young men because there is a larger supply of younger women relative to the supply of older men (who, in a scenario where fertility rates are going up, would have been born in years of lower fertility and would therefore not be as numerous).
This means that there are more opportunities for younger guys to compete for the pool of younger girls their older counteparts are also shooting for. The older guys will still get plenty of touches (they've got far too many advantages over their younger selves), but there'll be more leftover for the young dudes. Overall, this is great for them.

B. When fertility rates are decreasing, things get much rougher. This means that the older generations (born in a period of higher fertility) outnumber the young. That, of course, means a larger supply of older men to younger women. Younger guys thus face much stiffer competition for their female peers than they otherwise would, and they're left at a major disadvantage (they simply lack the same degree of experience/maturity/confidence/etc that their older selves will have).

Attitudes are also impacted by this. In a decreasing fertility rate scenario, you've got a larger number of more attractive men (older dudes) pursuing a smaller number of the more attractive women (younger girls). The younger girls get more confident as a result of this-they now not only can choose from the more attractive men within their own age group, but not they also have a better shot at quality men 4, 5, or even 10 years their senior (some women will even consider men further above that range, though this is less common in some cultures).

This abundance mentality among young women compunds the difficulty for younger men, who already faced a numerical disadvantage. Now, to get with women in their age group, they need to meet the higher standard those girls now expect from their male peers, a standard enforced not only by the media/feminism/etc, but by the simple demographic realities that put more quality older men in front of them. Only the cream of the crop (the younger dudes with the highest degrees of confidence, maturity, sociability, physical fitness and status) manage to easily clear this hurdle.

Now, this downward trend can be mitigated somewhat by immigration (if that immigration includes an influx of younger females), but generally the reality is this: when fertility rates are decreasing, the market gets tougher for dudes. They can compensate by dating women outside of their preferred age range, and that is indeed more common in societies with decreasing fertility rates. "Cougars" profit from this quite handily, their value far higher than it would be in the first scenario.

This development (which is befalling Brazil now and has been an issue in the west for some time now) is not permanent, and can change. If fertility rates see an uptick (this has happened in some western nations recently), then the first scenario comes back into play and younger guys see some relief-there'll be a larger supply of younger women for them to pursue as they age. While theories on the demographic transition have been well articulated, some are not sure where the final stage will lead us.

There is plenty of evidence, however, that fertility rebounds are possible in many of the more developed countries that have undergone decreased fertility in recent decades. That will create a dividend (read: larger pool of younger women) in some parts of the world that many of us, as we age, will be able to benefit from. And, of course, there will likely always be some nations that maintain high fertility regardless, and don't deviate much from the first scenario.

The bottomline is that these issues could have easily been predicted by demographics, and not all is doom and gloom. Brazil is going through the ringer right now, but that may not be permanent. Their fertility rates have nosedived, and are under replacement level for the first time ever. If this rate sees any uptick in the next 10-20 years and manages to hit or surpass replacement, then you could see things improve on the ground.
There is a precedent for this improvement. During the 70's, the USA saw a similar decline in fertility. Rates dropped from 2.48 in 1970 (well above replacement level) to 1.74 just 6 years later.

By 1990, rates were back above two after over a decade worth of steady increase. If you were gaming back in the late 90's/early 2000's, you saw some of that dividend (better ratios at certain clubs, for example) and likely have witnessed things grow steadily worse as we've moved towards 2012 (the dividend has worn off). Men born during the mid/late 70's and most of the early 80's got to experience this dividend, taking advantage of larger pools of younger women born in the years following them. In some parts of the country, it may even still be possible to reap this dividend.

Guys my age won't get as much of this, since we were born near the peak in the early 90's (1991 in my case). Rates only saw a slight increase during the late 2000's, so we'll see just a marginal benefit when those girls (born in 2006-2010) come of age-they won't make the pool of younger women that much bigger. It'll be the same old story for us unless we broaden our horizons a bit and start looking elsewhere.

If Brazil follows this model, we could see a fertility increase beginning within the next 5 years or so, and continuing for 8-10 more years after that. Men born anywhere from 1990-2010 would be the main beneficiaries of this.
Just speculation, of course, but something to keep in mind.

Post: #27

(10-26-2012 04:15 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 04:08 PM)Neo Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 03:53 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 03:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thing is Brazil wasn't that easy when I was in Rio around 2010. You still had to work.

It's just a matter of time until you face US-level difficulties in 1st tier cities.

What do you guys do in the US?
Keep picking up women way below your league?

Work like hell. Have rejection and attitude armor that's five feet around made of indestructible material. Study game like our lives(dicks) depend on it. Bang scraps when the need arises. Take trips when we get sick of the girls here. Save money to get out.

Neo, thanks for your feedback.
The problem is this shit´s gone global.
Pretty soon there´ll be nowhere to run. What, then?
In my view this change in attitude in women isn´t exactly related to wealth but to perceived access to alpha males.

Brazilianguy I dont know why more of you Brazilian men dont go to Colombia. Brazil is well thought of there, it is cheaper and if you just study spanish for a month or 2 you should do pretty well.

Post: #28

(10-26-2012 08:42 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  I'm beginning to think if your game is tight in the U.S. you'll have no problems in Brazil in the foreseeable future. It's too diverse and could be it's own continent.

It's like saying the U.S. is completely wiped out. I believe ALL of us can find our niche stateside. Same as Brazil.

That is if you know portuguese Ali. Try running your game on a ¨patricinha¨ in english.

Post: #29

I miss the good old days in SP when you just had to take the initiative and be in a reasonable shape to bang chicks.
I must admit I´m desolated by what I am observing and experiencing here now.

Aside from that, it seems like the 2 years I spent outside have really affected my game. I wasn´t expecting such cold and calculated attitude from the women here. They used to be pretty affectionate not so long ago.

Funny thing is, I´m 31 and in the best shape of my life and this doesn´t seem to count so much here.

It´s kind of sad to have to work so hard for something so basic.

I think I´m gonna go hang myself in my tie now.

Post: #30

(10-27-2012 12:38 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  I miss the good old days in SP when you just had to take the initiative and be in a reasonable shape to bang chicks.
I must admit I´m desolated by what I am observing and experiencing here now.

Aside from that, it seems like the 2 years I spent outside have really affected my game. I wasn´t expecting such cold and calculated attitude from the women here. They used to be pretty affectionate not so long ago.

Funny thing is, I´m 31 and in the best shape of my life and this doesn´t seem to count so much here.

It´s kind of sad to have to work so hard for something so basic.

I think I´m gonna go hang myself in my tie now.

Like I said my friend plan a trip to Colombia and study spanish for a month before you go. You will thank me later.

Post: #31

(10-27-2012 12:38 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  Funny thing is, I´m 31 and in the best shape of my life and this doesn´t seem to count so much here.

It´s kind of sad to have to work so hard for something so basic.

I think I´m gonna go hang myself in my tie now.

There might be an element of change in your viewpoint, where things that didn't bother you before now are annoying, and keep you from going after the women.

A lot of younger American women seem to have very male expressions on their faces to me, even with good bone structure and skin they aren't attractive to me, but that might be because I got used to more feminine women elsewhere.

Post: #32

(10-26-2012 11:53 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  This is a perfect response and gets right to the heart of the issue. The old RatioFactor blog (RIP) touched on this as well.

The key to all of this lies in the simple facts of biology:

1. Older men are generally more desirable to women than their younger selves. Women prefer men above their age range.
2. Younger women are generally more desirable than their older counterparts. Men, if given a choice, generally prefer to date women below them in age. Men of all age ranges are essentially competing most fiercely for women

This part should read as follows (edit is bolded at the end):

(10-26-2012 11:53 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  This is a perfect response and gets right to the heart of the issue. The old RatioFactor blog (RIP) touched on this as well.

The key to all of this lies in the simple facts of biology:

1. Older men are generally more desirable to women than their younger selves. Women prefer men above their age range.
2. Younger women are generally more desirable than their older counterparts. Men, if given a choice, generally prefer to date women below them in age. Men of all age ranges are essentially competing most fiercely for women in one particular age range, generally 18-29.

Post: #33

This thread is great proof of not making long-term commitments to any country. In the past you could travel a bit, find a country you like, and say, "I'm moving there." But now, demographics could destroy your paradise in only 5 years.

Treat countries like you treat women: stay flexible and jump ship if you begin to receive less value.

Post: #34

(10-26-2012 02:19 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  My interest is still peaked on Brazil, but I've come up with a scheme. I intend on using NYC and Tampa Bay Area as litmus test. My targets will be FOB's, and I can get a feel for them before taking the plunge. It it looks promising, I intend on hitting smaller areas, like Socorro City and the like. Sao Paulo will be the first city it sounds like to become unbearable.

Also, having some knowledge of Washington Heights or Tampa will show value. Restaurants, shopping, ect. Along with pics. If they think I live in one of these areas, they may put out quicker in hopes of coming to the states and moving right into a Brazilian neighborhood.

Hey dude,

I dunno about your thoughts on Washington Heights, but I worked there for a while and I can tell you a couple things:

1. I didn't meet any Brazilians there. Mostly Dominicans, but also Puerto Ricans, Ecuardorians, Mexicans, Bolivians, some Africans, Asians, Jews, young people working in NYC living up there. Cannot remember a single Brazilian I met there.

2. People who live in Washington Heights don't think it's cool that you know Washington Heights. They want to leave Washington Heights. It has happened to me many times that I've met a girl who lived up there, and I was like "Oh cool, I've been out dancing at Dykman Bar and Papasito is pretty good too." and they're like "Oh, I go out downtown, I don't like Washington Heights."

Just FYI

Post: #35

(10-26-2012 02:19 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  My interest is still peaked on Brazil, but I've come up with a scheme. I intend on using NYC and Tampa Bay Area as litmus test. My targets will be FOB's, and I can get a feel for them before taking the plunge. It it looks promising, I intend on hitting smaller areas, like Socorro City and the like. Sao Paulo will be the first city it sounds like to become unbearable.

Also, having some knowledge of Washington Heights or Tampa will show value. Restaurants, shopping, ect. Along with pics. If they think I live in one of these areas, they may put out quicker in hopes of coming to the states and moving right into a Brazilian neighborhood.

Ali, your knowledge of Tampa or Washington Heights will do jack shit in Brazil. Do your research my friend, just like I will do before hitting the DR.

Post: #36

(10-27-2012 06:36 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 02:19 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  My interest is still peaked on Brazil, but I've come up with a scheme. I intend on using NYC and Tampa Bay Area as litmus test. My targets will be FOB's, and I can get a feel for them before taking the plunge. It it looks promising, I intend on hitting smaller areas, like Socorro City and the like. Sao Paulo will be the first city it sounds like to become unbearable.

Also, having some knowledge of Washington Heights or Tampa will show value. Restaurants, shopping, ect. Along with pics. If they think I live in one of these areas, they may put out quicker in hopes of coming to the states and moving right into a Brazilian neighborhood.

Ali, your knowledge of Tampa or Washington Heights will do jack shit in Brazil. Do your research my friend, just like I will do before hitting the DR.

Knowledge of the Ironbound neighborhood of Newark or of Miami Beach may help somewhat in Brazil. I really don't know what good knowledge of Tampa or Washington Heights would do there.

Post: #37

(10-26-2012 01:41 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  I´m from Sao Paulo, Brazil, but I´ve been living in the Amazon region for a couple of years.

I´ve just taken some vacations and spent the last two weeks in Sao Paulo.

I am aghast at how women in SP seem to have changed in this very short period of time.

Everywhere I go, women seem to have become super snobby and downright rude when approached by men (even in bars and nightclubs).
Besides that, they seem to openly have dozens of guys on their lists, who they use like objects, each for a different purpose. This is done within everyone´s sight, and it is considered sexist to criticize.
Their standards for men have risen through the roof. Everyone in town is either perpetually single or in very short term superficial relationships in which one uses and abuses the other.
All my guy friends are complaining.

What the hell is going on?

Question is: has anyone else noticed this change in the women of Brazil, particularly those from Sao Paulo?

Ah, so this was you with the brass nuts... how ya been?
That retard with her hand-bag almost got you...

Post: #38

(10-27-2012 01:55 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This thread is great proof of not making long-term commitments to any country. In the past you could travel a bit, find a country you like, and say, "I'm moving there." But now, demographics could destroy your paradise in only 5 years.

Treat countries like you treat women: stay flexible and jump ship if you begin to receive less value.

Look at the state of Riga. Your last report had me curled up in the fetal position. It went the same way as Prague, which in the mid 90's was nothing short of paradise.

There are three major harbingers of doom

1) An influx of toursists
2) Prosperity
3) Feminism and western media

As prosperity increases, so too is the bar raised. A lot of men who traveled "in the good old days" never really understood that they were seen as high status if they simply had a job. That they could afford things like a night out on the town would be a luxury these women would rarely enjoy. It was a double whammy of traditional gender roles and feminine women combined with economic hardship. This is why obese 50 year old engineers from the west would have 3 Heidi Klum's fighting over them 15 years ago. With prosperity increasing, obesity increases too.

Tourists also destroy the "mythology" that is built us up. The more they are exposed to people of different nationalities, the more they start to realise that their own men are not that bad. Italian and Turkish hordes harassing them on the streets are just as bad as the stag parties from the UK and Ireland. It also does not help that western men are flocking to some countries just to whore it up. Places like Brazil and Colombia are rife with gringos going there for paid sex, and while paid sex is not out of the ordinary there, the levels the men are resorting to for a bit of tail is a bad reflection on all of us. It all adds up, and little by little western men are being put at a disadvantage in many ways.

Lastly, western media is a cancer. Brazil sees a ton of press with all the feminist activity, but its reach is long.

As some countries are shutting shop though, new ones are opening, as are other cities becoming more accessible. Mongolia I am hearing plenty about. Tier 2 and 3 in Russia is always going to be a goldmine. Burma maybe. Georgia is improving to the point where it becomes easier to go to. The 'stans are worth keeping an eye on, although they are still a mess.

Also with economic trouble on the horizon, womens attitudes will change as countries go through their ups and downs.

Post: #39

You often hear references to how places like Prague, Riga, Rio or Medellín were like in the 90's. The thing is though that in the 90's were few people dared to go to a place like Medellín. Today you hear similar things regarding crime and violence in Venezuela, yet very few people go there. It might be that today some places in Venezuela are like Medellín in the 90's but still we're not going there because of the risks.

I think someone in the comment section of Roosh's blog might have made this point earlier.

Post: #40

(10-26-2012 11:53 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 09:15 PM)RawGod Wrote:  This is what's happening in Brazil:

It's demographic transition.

For convenience, assume that the 20-24 demographic females are are "target". Then observe the relative number of males, on the left, in the two age ranges above that one (that is, 25-29 and 30-34). These are your sexual competitors. (Males in the 20-24 demographic are also competitors of course, but they will have similar numbers to their female peers so that will cancel out in comparisons).

The more 25-34 year old males there are relative to the 20-24 year old females, the tougher the sexual market place.

Look carefully at Brazil and you will see that is just now entering a permanently worsening trend. For the first time, the 15-19 cohort is significantly smaller than the 20-24 cohort. (As this is two years old, consider this the 17-21s - the hottest girls in the SMP). The young hotties in Brazil are finding slightly older men in their country lining up to compete for them in numbers that did not apply 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago.

What you need is a country with a traditional pyramid formation where each younger cohort is larger than the previous one i.e. steady population growth. Few countries show this anymore. But the exceptions like the Philippines will continue to be the easiest countries for chasing women.

This is a perfect response and gets right to the heart of the issue. The old RatioFactor blog (RIP) touched on this as well.

The key to all of this lies in the simple facts of biology:

1. Older men are generally more desirable to women than their younger selves. Women prefer men above their age range.
2. Younger women are generally more desirable than their older counterparts. Men, if given a choice, generally prefer to date women below them in age. Men of all age ranges are essentially competing most fiercely for women

These realities ensure that younger men are always vulnerable to competition to older males who (being essentially more experienced, affluent and confident versions of themselves) have an edge with younger girls.
Older women, meanwhile, are vulnerable to competition from younger females, a dynamic frequently referred to as "trading in for a new model", or something to that end. Women are well aware of this, and do everything in their power to guard against it (including shaming).

This leads to an important demographic intersection with fertility rates.

A. When fertility rates are increasing, things are good for young men because there is a larger supply of younger women relative to the supply of older men (who, in a scenario where fertility rates are going up, would have been born in years of lower fertility and would therefore not be as numerous).
This means that there are more opportunities for younger guys to compete for the pool of younger girls their older counteparts are also shooting for. The older guys will still get plenty of touches (they've got far too many advantages over their younger selves), but there'll be more leftover for the young dudes. Overall, this is great for them.

B. When fertility rates are decreasing, things get much rougher. This means that the older generations (born in a period of higher fertility) outnumber the young. That, of course, means a larger supply of older men to younger women. Younger guys thus face much stiffer competition for their female peers than they otherwise would, and they're left at a major disadvantage (they simply lack the same degree of experience/maturity/confidence/etc that their older selves will have).

Attitudes are also impacted by this. In a decreasing fertility rate scenario, you've got a larger number of more attractive men (older dudes) pursuing a smaller number of the more attractive women (younger girls). The younger girls get more confident as a result of this-they now not only can choose from the more attractive men within their own age group, but not they also have a better shot at quality men 4, 5, or even 10 years their senior (some women will even consider men further above that range, though this is less common in some cultures).

This abundance mentality among young women compunds the difficulty for younger men, who already faced a numerical disadvantage. Now, to get with women in their age group, they need to meet the higher standard those girls now expect from their male peers, a standard enforced not only by the media/feminism/etc, but by the simple demographic realities that put more quality older men in front of them. Only the cream of the crop (the younger dudes with the highest degrees of confidence, maturity, sociability, physical fitness and status) manage to easily clear this hurdle.

Now, this downward trend can be mitigated somewhat by immigration (if that immigration includes an influx of younger females), but generally the reality is this: when fertility rates are decreasing, the market gets tougher for dudes. They can compensate by dating women outside of their preferred age range, and that is indeed more common in societies with decreasing fertility rates. "Cougars" profit from this quite handily, their value far higher than it would be in the first scenario.

This development (which is befalling Brazil now and has been an issue in the west for some time now) is not permanent, and can change. If fertility rates see an uptick (this has happened in some western nations recently), then the first scenario comes back into play and younger guys see some relief-there'll be a larger supply of younger women for them to pursue as they age. While theories on the demographic transition have been well articulated, some are not sure where the final stage will lead us.

There is plenty of evidence, however, that fertility rebounds are possible in many of the more developed countries that have undergone decreased fertility in recent decades. That will create a dividend (read: larger pool of younger women) in some parts of the world that many of us, as we age, will be able to benefit from. And, of course, there will likely always be some nations that maintain high fertility regardless, and don't deviate much from the first scenario.

The bottomline is that these issues could have easily been predicted by demographics, and not all is doom and gloom. Brazil is going through the ringer right now, but that may not be permanent. Their fertility rates have nosedived, and are under replacement level for the first time ever. If this rate sees any uptick in the next 10-20 years and manages to hit or surpass replacement, then you could see things improve on the ground.
There is a precedent for this improvement. During the 70's, the USA saw a similar decline in fertility. Rates dropped from 2.48 in 1970 (well above replacement level) to 1.74 just 6 years later.

By 1990, rates were back above two after over a decade worth of steady increase. If you were gaming back in the late 90's/early 2000's, you saw some of that dividend (better ratios at certain clubs, for example) and likely have witnessed things grow steadily worse as we've moved towards 2012 (the dividend has worn off). Men born during the mid/late 70's and most of the early 80's got to experience this dividend, taking advantage of larger pools of younger women born in the years following them. In some parts of the country, it may even still be possible to reap this dividend.

Guys my age won't get as much of this, since we were born near the peak in the early 90's (1991 in my case). Rates only saw a slight increase during the late 2000's, so we'll see just a marginal benefit when those girls (born in 2006-2010) come of age-they won't make the pool of younger women that much bigger. It'll be the same old story for us unless we broaden our horizons a bit and start looking elsewhere.

If Brazil follows this model, we could see a fertility increase beginning within the next 5 years or so, and continuing for 8-10 more years after that. Men born anywhere from 1990-2010 would be the main beneficiaries of this.
Just speculation, of course, but something to keep in mind.

Well written. Fertility rates among the non-muslim populous of Europe, Canada, Russia and Japan are at 1.2. They are on a death spiral. Those continents are destined to be cockfests from 2025 onwards. Our sons wont be able to enjoy Europe's women the way we are now.

McGinnis the other major demographic driving force is economics. An economic or jobs boom like the one now experienced in Brasil and Australia leads to male migration and a decrease in male emigration. More guys coming and fewer guys leaving. Men go where jobs are. Women are more inclined to stay with their family and friends.

Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us.

Post: #41

"Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

Post: #42

(10-31-2012 06:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  "Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

I think Greek Kamaki mentioned that he has been receiving more attention in Greece since the crisis hit.

Post: #43

(10-31-2012 07:30 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 06:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  "Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

I think Greek Kamaki mentioned that he has been receiving more attention in Greece since the crisis hit.

The question is to what degree?
The problem with Brazil is young attractive girls are starting to act more and more like the greek princesses, kamaki has tried to avoid in the past.

Post: #44

(10-31-2012 07:36 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 07:30 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 06:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  "Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

I think Greek Kamaki mentioned that he has been receiving more attention in Greece since the crisis hit.

The question is to what degree?
The problem with Brazil is young attractive girls are starting to act more and more like the greek princesses, kamaki has tried to avoid in the past.

I know what you mean. Some time ago on http://www.singledudetravel.com/ there was an article predicting that Greek women would turn sweeter due to the downturn and a comment 2 years after noting that nothing had changed since then.

Post: #45

(10-31-2012 09:47 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 07:36 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 07:30 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 06:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  "Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

I think Greek Kamaki mentioned that he has been receiving more attention in Greece since the crisis hit.

The question is to what degree?
The problem with Brazil is young attractive girls are starting to act more and more like the greek princesses, kamaki has tried to avoid in the past.

I know what you mean. Some time ago on http://www.singledudetravel.com/ there was an article predicting that Greek women would turn sweeter due to the downturn and a comment 2 years after noting that nothing had changed since then.

I would have no problem choosing Spain, Italy, and Greece as my primary international destinations over anywhere in Latin America. The only drawback would be that I will never be anywhere near as fluent in Italian as I am in Spanish and English. For now, I guess we will just have to wait several years in order to see if the current economic situation of those three European countries really does make it better for guys like us.

I left Argentina in 2000. Some of you may remember that around that time, Argentina suffered a severe economic crisis. Many people believed that this would change the local women's attitudes for the better. I do not believe it did. The only notable change which I believe occurred with regard to male/female relations following the Argentine crisis is that prostitutes became much cheaper. For sex tourists and even for some local guys, that was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Please correct me if my information regarding Argentina is inaccurate. Is there any reason why the current European economic situation should have a different effect than the Argentine crisis of 2000 to 2001 had?

Post: #46

(10-31-2012 11:31 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 09:47 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 07:36 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 07:30 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 06:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  "Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

I think Greek Kamaki mentioned that he has been receiving more attention in Greece since the crisis hit.

The question is to what degree?
The problem with Brazil is young attractive girls are starting to act more and more like the greek princesses, kamaki has tried to avoid in the past.

I know what you mean. Some time ago on http://www.singledudetravel.com/ there was an article predicting that Greek women would turn sweeter due to the downturn and a comment 2 years after noting that nothing had changed since then.

I would have no problem choosing Spain, Italy, and Greece as my primary international destinations over anywhere in Latin America. The only drawback would be that I will never be anywhere near as fluent in Italian as I am in Spanish and English. For now, I guess we will just have to wait several years in order to see if the current economic situation of those three European countries really does make it better for guys like us.

I left Argentina in 2000. Some of you may remember that around that time, Argentina suffered a severe economic crisis. Many people believed that this would change the local women's attitudes for the better. I do not believe it did. The only notable change which I believe occurred with regard to male/female relations following the Argentine crisis is that prostitutes became much cheaper. For sex tourists and even for some local guys, that was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Please correct me if my information regarding Argentina is inaccurate. Is there any reason why the current European economic situation should have a different effect than the Argentine crisis of 2000 to 2001 had?

I believe it will have minor effects, with the most being in Spain. I can see Northern European guys and American men with blonde hair or blue eyes doing well now and even better later, especially if they speak Spanish and have their shit together.
With regards to Italy and Greece it will probably be the same as your experience in Argentina. There are just too many cultural factors there, for women to go jumping after foreigners. The guys who will benefit are the locals with money and game.....for them the pussy will get easier.

Post: #47

Pretty soon the majority of the world if not all of it will fall victim to the Western Virus and there isnt too much we can do about it.

Post: #48

Perhaps it's guys from the "west" going down there and "poisoning" these women or treating them like they would their own local women. I read somewhere guys would cook for their women on a date or offer just to get a date with thm etc. so that he can bang her and make him stand out over Brazilian men. Well, doing this you may get the bang by getting her to your place understandably but long term it will have consequences.

Post: #49

(11-04-2012 08:20 AM)tomtud Wrote:  Perhaps it's guys from the "west" going down there and "poisoning" these women or treating them like they would their own local women. I read somewhere guys would cook for their women on a date or offer just to get a date with thm etc. so that he can bang her and make him stand out over Brazilian men. Well, doing this you may get the bang by getting her to your place understandably but long term it will have consequences.

The point is getting a Brazilian girl to your place any way you can, Ive lied about cooking for them and then havent, by saying Im hungover from a Brazilian birthday party I went to the night before.
I can´t remember a single time a Brazilian girl has refused sex once she has entered my pad. In that sense Brazil hasnt changed.

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(10-31-2012 06:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  "Anywhere where the unemployment rate is low is guaranteed to have an unfavorable male female ratio. Lots of cashed up guys with a shortage of women to spend their salary on. Heaven for women, very bad for us."
If the theory is true,at 25 percent unemployment, Spain should be changing quite at a bit at the moment. Forgot the name of the poster who said the situation in Spain is pretty good now for a foreign player. Greece and Italy should also be getting better also, though there are many other variables at play.

Good thing I'm going to Spain for Christmas/NYE, lol. Yeah we can't really forget the immigration of females from Latin America into Madrid either making things a little more interesting too. Divorce rates are really high in Spain mainly bc it's just a very promiscuous society where everybody kind of cheats on everybody so it'll be interesting to see what I can do with 6 months of intensive Spanish under my belt along with some Portunhol, haha

I totally agree about Italian/Greek chicks as they will be resistant and hold out for local men only in their countries...or maybe gringos that only have lived there forever. They can be a little looser when traveling abroad though. But the cultural barriers can be very hard to cross even with a higher girl to guy ratio and high male unemployment in those places.

With things like facebook and more avenues of social networking now, yes females will now have more options to hunt the most "qualified men" out there, but also remember you guys too still have the option of having a rotation of 20-30 chicks you can scope out as well as travel/party pictures of your "life" can attract their attention & FB stalking tendencies as well.