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(02-04-2017 03:51 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 03:50 AM)roberto Wrote:  ^ They are cool as fuck. £350 for the basic vest in the UK. I'm getting one. Maybe the jacket, then it's more integrated/less to put on.

Great link mate.

The Helite?

Do let us know how you like it.

I will do. It's getting on for the same money as I paid for the damn bike, but my spine is more important to me.

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I wouldn't buy any of those products until manufacturers like Alpinestars or Dainese adopt that kind of tech. Remember you're buying something that's supposed to save your life, how reliable is Helite, who are they, what do they have to lose as a company if their product doesn't deploy?

Good textile or leathers, back protector, common sense, eyes wide open.
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Oh hell yeah!

The Motorcycle thread has turned its focus to sports bikes. Thought I might step in and give some thoughts having owned several myself.

First… @Hoser knows what he is talking about when expressing how much improvement there has been in sports bikes the last few years. The gap between a 2010 bike to 2017 is giant. With much of that to do with the amazing electronics packages that come with the top bikes.

The first major leap came out in 2013/14 with the BMW HP4. The HP4 was a limited production and expensive but in 2015 BMW came out with the S1000RR. It was the first big redesign from a major manufacturer in a long time and a huge leap forward with adjustable electronics allowing you to adjust all sorts of options like traction control, anti-wheelie, etc…






The same year BMW came out with the S1000RR Yamaha came out with an all new YZF-R1. Yamaha which has some of the best bikes in Motogp took some of the Motogp knowledge and added things like adjustable slide control.





Having seen the success of BMW and Yamaha other manufactures are stepping up their game as Honda and Suzuki are also launching all new versions of their bikes as well.

I have been fortunate enough to own both the BMW S1000RR and the Yamaha R1M (R1M is the upgraded version of R1). If you want a street bike, or a mostly street bike and sometimes track bike the BMW S1000RR is the way to go. It is much more comfortable over long distances, has things like heated grips and cruise control. It may not seem like it but having cruise control is a huge deal. If you ever try to drive on the interstate with out cruise control it is easy to look down at your speedometer only to realize you are going 105MPH. Setting your cruise control is going to save your ass from getting tickets, and save your wrist from pain after an hour of driving.

If you want the best track bike then the Yamaha R1 or R1M is the way to go. It is not a good street bike. I find it uncomfortable over long distance. The riding position is more aggressive, the seat is not forgiving, and there is no comforts like cruise control and heated grips. But on the track it is a beast! Right now there is no other bike on the same level. Its ability to corner on the track is so good I get giddy when I come out of a corner hard on the throttle. The electronics package is adjustable in a million different ways.

In other good news Yamaha is coming out this year with an all new R6. The first major redesign from any manufacturer of the 600cc bike. It will have much of the same technology that is in the R1 and will be miles ahead of all other bikes in the 600cc category. The 600cc bikes have almost been forgotten by manufacturers as they simply don’t sell near as many compared with 1000cc. Lots of track guys are really excited about the new R6.

To sum it up. In my opinion.
BMW S1000RR = Best street bike.
Yamaha YZF-R1 = Best track bike.
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(02-04-2017 08:13 AM)Jaihoo Wrote:  I wouldn't buy any of those products until manufacturers like Alpinestars or Dainese adopt that kind of tech. Remember you're buying something that's supposed to save your life, how reliable is Helite, who are they, what do they have to lose as a company if their product doesn't deploy?

Good textile or leathers, back protector, common sense, eyes wide open.

Nobody is saying ride nude and this airbag will keep you safe. It's an extra layer of protection over and above what you mentioned.

Personally I've never rated Alpine Star- all motorbike clothing in the UK has to conform to certain standards, so why pay three times as much?

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The S1000rr are nice. Just didn't want to pay the BMW premium this time around. Maybe in the future.

The R1 I rode was cool, but it wasn't the M.

Heated grips are <100 bucks for the smart ones that automatically shut off when you forget (Oxford Heaterz). Putting them on my new ride today. I highly recommend them if you're going to be riding in the 40s and below. I don't recommend riding when it's close or below freezing though.

Had them on my last bike as well. Worth every penny.

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(02-04-2017 11:48 AM)roberto Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 08:13 AM)Jaihoo Wrote:  I wouldn't buy any of those products until manufacturers like Alpinestars or Dainese adopt that kind of tech. Remember you're buying something that's supposed to save your life, how reliable is Helite, who are they, what do they have to lose as a company if their product doesn't deploy?

Good textile or leathers, back protector, common sense, eyes wide open.

Nobody is saying ride nude and this airbag will keep you safe. It's an extra layer of protection over and above what you mentioned.

Personally I've never rated Alpine Star- all motorbike clothing in the UK has to conform to certain standards, so why pay three times as much?

I like Rev'it gear. Have their back protectors installed as well as hip armor and other CE rated components in the two pairs of suits I own (one leather the other 4 season).

Would be good to have a helite or other to throw on top. It looks like, from Revzilla's latest video, that more manufacturers are coming out with airbag vests.

The only gear I can't recommend is padded riding jeans. At least the pair I had, the armor fit poorly (didn't cover the knee and shins as well), and I didn't feel as confident in the slide protection as the Rev'it gear. Rev'its armor fits me in the right places. I just wish they had the largest zipper on the front vest for their leather jackets. They use a smaller one and if you screw up the zipper it'll pop open. You have to be very ginger when starting it out to prevent that.

Also, some bikes have airbags.

The Honda Goldwing has one as an option:





I think I even saw a news report where it saved some guy that wasn't even wearing a helmet when he t-boned a car. It happened in Florida, of course...

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(11-04-2016 11:18 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Thought you guys might be interested in Triumphs new sporty bob's

They actually look really bad ass but I can't part ways with Harley.

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http://www.cycleworld.com/2017-triumph-b...ook#page-3

nice looking bikes. about $11,000 new.
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(11-18-2016 08:31 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I enjoy the Baron's videos.

Anyone else like the Indian Scouts? I've been thinking about getting one. There's a dealership near me and I've been in and looked at them. Sweet.







Would probably want the two-up model











Anti-anti-Trump protester model





Let's not forget the pussy/motorcycle nexus, though. Girls respond so positively to finding out you have a bike. They get excited.

I had been talking to a girl I met on tinder for months. She lives well downstate so we had never met in person. When I mentioned I was going to the big bike rally in my town she pretty much invited herself up. I said come on if you want. She drove 6 hours and we met for the first time at my front door. Nice looking thickish blonde with huge tits. Loved to party. Perfect biker bitch type. She spent the weekend on my bike and my cock.

I like the middle one
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For every year I age, the attractiveness of such a device (the airbag vest thingy) increases exponentially.

I'll never be the all-yellow dude on the GS, but I'll definitely embrace safe practices and good gear on whatever I'm riding.
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DirectDanger: I appreciate the great post, and the kind words.

In other but related news, my 3 favorite brands today are Ducati, BMW, and Yamaha.

Can you believe that? Ducati used to make unreliable (admittedly, gorgeous) paintcan-shakers, BMW made boring sewing machines suitable for only tweed-wearing pipe smokers, and Yamaha formerly struggled to separate its FZR and YZF lines. Today: pure sex, each of them.

I'm enjoying a dopamine hit just thinking about them. What a f**king gift to men sport bikes are.
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Well BMW is pretty much the same, apart from the S1000RR Big Grin
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Jaihoo, I respectfully disagree. BMW has become an innovator in almost all of its lines, if not in all. Lack of MAD POWER does not a dud make. Lack of flash does not equal boring.

What is Kawasaki known for? Loud, Green, and Fast. Compare BMW: it can do loud and fast when it wants to. Other times, it does whatever the f**k it wants to. And it does it well.

The more you ride, the more will admire BMW Motorrad. This I can promise, unless they let women start calling the shots.
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Meh. Looking back I could never understand what drove guys to dick-measure over which bike could get to 100 a fifteenth of second faster than that other bike, or which bike had a track time point zero one percent faster in the wet than in the dry.

Every modern bike from 400cc up is fast enough to kill you in a heartbeat, and nobody who's not actually running these bikes on a professional track has the slightest clue what the difference is between having (x) horsepower or (x+5) horsepower is.

I just loved to ride, and frankly became very jaded with group riding when it so routinely became a displacement driven wank-fest over who was most willing to risk the instantaneous loss of their license. It's one of the reasons I quit after a low speed accident wrote off my bike. It was a good excuse to get away from all the other riders I knew, who were sadly the worst part of the hobby.

I'm happy on a Harley or a sports bike or a scooter or a tourer or a dirt bike. I'm happy doing the speed limit. I'm happy with sissy lines. I'm happy with low fashion riding gear. I'm happy with or without a pillion.

Probably the whole brand war stuff above is completely benign, and I'm not accusing you guys of being assholes, but you just reminded me of the thing I hated most about motorcycling.
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In the 600 class of sportbikes, the bikes from 8-10 years ago are competitive, if not even, with the new bikes today. I'm a Honda CBR600RR owner, my decade old bike is lighter and makes more HP than the newest ones, only lacks ABS brakes (hence making it lighter) which is fine with me, and slightly different bodywork. Same frame/engine etc... Finally for '17 there is a new Yamaha r6, which is the first major change in about a decade. Unless you're a pro the previous generation bike is plenty good.

I mention this so if anyone reading this actually buys their first sportbike, I suggest getting a used 600 and not a new liter bike. My first street bike was a 600 sportbike, but I also did motocross for most of my life before that. Total beginners may want to start on a lower capacity single-cylinder bike, it is better for their health.
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600 sportbikes are fine, just not fast. The only times they are fast is when they hit 14000 rpm, at which time their exhaust notes make everybody, motorcyclists included, hate them.
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(02-04-2017 09:43 PM)Hoser Wrote:  For every year I age, the attractiveness of such a device (the airbag vest thingy) increases exponentially.

I'll never be the all-yellow dude on the GS, but I'll definitely embrace safe practices and good gear on whatever I'm riding.

Fuck. I almost am that dude. Although my vest for when I go up to London is orange. Big Grin

(02-06-2017 06:34 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Meh. Looking back I could never understand what drove guys to dick-measure over which bike could get to 100 a fifteenth of second faster than that other bike, or which bike had a track time point zero one percent faster in the wet than in the dry.

Every modern bike from 400cc up is fast enough to kill you in a heartbeat, and nobody who's not actually running these bikes on a professional track has the slightest clue what the difference is between having (x) horsepower or (x+5) horsepower is.

I just loved to ride, and frankly became very jaded with group riding when it so routinely became a displacement driven wank-fest over who was most willing to risk the instantaneous loss of their license. It's one of the reasons I quit after a low speed accident wrote off my bike. It was a good excuse to get away from all the other riders I knew, who were sadly the worst part of the hobby.

I'm happy on a Harley or a sports bike or a scooter or a tourer or a dirt bike. I'm happy doing the speed limit. I'm happy with sissy lines. I'm happy with low fashion riding gear. I'm happy with or without a pillion.

Probably the whole brand war stuff above is completely benign, and I'm not accusing you guys of being assholes, but you just reminded me of the thing I hated most about motorcycling.

Completely agree. Two wheels good, four wheels bad. Shiny side up. As the gentleman in the shop who served me when I was 17 with a 125 and a puncture said, a bike is a bike. The camaraderie is what makes it such a great hobby. But half of my mates I will not ride with, because they do such stupid shit.

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(02-06-2017 06:34 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Meh. Looking back I could never understand what drove guys to dick-measure over which bike could get to 100 a fifteenth of second faster than that other bike, or which bike had a track time point zero one percent faster in the wet than in the dry.

Every modern bike from 400cc up is fast enough to kill you in a heartbeat, and nobody who's not actually running these bikes on a professional track has the slightest clue what the difference is between having (x) horsepower or (x+5) horsepower is.

I just loved to ride, and frankly became very jaded with group riding when it so routinely became a displacement driven wank-fest over who was most willing to risk the instantaneous loss of their license. It's one of the reasons I quit after a low speed accident wrote off my bike. It was a good excuse to get away from all the other riders I knew, who were sadly the worst part of the hobby.

I'm happy on a Harley or a sports bike or a scooter or a tourer or a dirt bike. I'm happy doing the speed limit. I'm happy with sissy lines. I'm happy with low fashion riding gear. I'm happy with or without a pillion.

Probably the whole brand war stuff above is completely benign, and I'm not accusing you guys of being assholes, but you just reminded me of the thing I hated most about motorcycling.

I'm more of a lone-wolf type of rider too. For me it is social when I go to the track. Fortunately in my city there is a car race track that opens up to bikes once a month, and I've made a few friends at the track. On other days I just assume go for a canyon ride solo, the main exception being when my girlfriend is riding on the back with me. I limit that to only occasionally, I'm a lot more willing to risk my own life than also hers. The only thing sketchier than the cars on the road, are the other bikes.
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(02-06-2017 11:48 PM)Hoser Wrote:  600 sportbikes are fine, just not fast. The only times they are fast is when they hit 14000 rpm, at which time their exhaust notes make everybody, motorcyclists included, hate them.

This is partly why I went with the Honda. It has a lot more mid-range, the powerband hits lower. It's darned near peak HP at 10K rpm, and actually starts to taper off by 14K. Just checked some dyno charts to verify. I don't have the top-end of say an r6, but for my purposes it doesn't matter. It's my main transportation, not a pure track bike for me. It is super flickable, and the track here is pretty tight. I don't even need to shift beyond third gear. On a liter bike I would only be using probably two gears. I would def like to ride one of those new BMW's, but I doubt my lap time would be much faster on one, if at all.
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Neubache, I compare the "brand war thing" to a discussion regarding blonde vs. brunette, petite vs amazon, etc. In both cases, we're just talking about something we enjoy. I'd further say that there's something inherently feminine about motorcycles and the effect they have on men. I may *admire* a gorgeous car, but I *lust after* a gorgeous bike. And really enjoy mounting it.... >;-)

I certainly agree, however, that many guys choose their bikes based on the personas they wish to project, and they're insufferable. If you decide to ride again, I hope you can fall in with a better crowd.
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Moto, throw your leg over a Ducati 1199 someday. 369lbs dry weight and a BEAST of a motor.

When I'd first bought mine, I was backing it out of the garage one day when my chatty neighbor (15 years my elder) came over and starting talking bikes. He was going on about how his favorite bike from years ago was this little, flickable 400, how its light weight made it such a joy, he wouldn't want a literbike, etc....

I set my 1199 on its kickstand, jumped off, and invited him to hop on. He did, and was stunned. It's the only conversation I ever had with him in which he changed his mind.

BTW, I say this not to counter anything you've said, but merely to make sure you don't miss out on something I find very worthwhile.
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This is me, most of the week, waiting for the rain to wash off the snow so I can put some miles on my baby.

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Haha awesome! That was me each Spring after I'd sold my bike, saying "Don't need it, too dangerous, I'm married now...."

First few days of Spring, seeing the other bikes out, remembering how it smelled to ride past the blossoming plants and freshly cut grass...to feel the air temperature changes in certain spots, to be reminded that life is beautiful....

Basically, the choices for some of us are never start riding, or never stop. It gets in the blood.
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(02-08-2017 07:49 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  This is me, most of the week, waiting for the rain to wash off the snow so I can put some miles on my baby.

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What could go wrong? Laugh

In Alaska each spring it was always torture because the main roads would clear up like 3 weeks before my (dirt) road and driveway. More than a few times I pushed my bike for a quarter mile or more through slush over hard ice to be able to ride in April.
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Chains on a bike! Wow, that's dedication. I have to admit, I'm so spoiled by nice weather, I didn't know that was a thing.

Back in the day, just starting the bike and keeping it running must've involved some sort of choke-control wizardry, perhaps even block heaters. I assume motorcyclists were visible from afar, due to their one buff kick-starting leg?
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