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RE: Where is the human race going?
Now we know what/who Seal was singing about that whole time. Prophetic.

"[White people] are never gonna survive unless [they] get a little crazy."





More seriously, I see race as an invention. The concept of "race" (and "whiteness") will evolve to accommodate new globalization realities. I don't see any signs of "race suicide" anxieties in this thread, but to the extent that they exist in the outside world, are silly.

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Neil, we already know the future of humanity:

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I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.
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If the races mix, we will all look like Brazilians!

(11-13-2012 06:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.

What are the obvious reasons???
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Race troll
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(11-13-2012 06:47 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If the races mix, we will all look like Brazilians!

(11-13-2012 06:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.

What are the obvious reasons???

Well for starter, say you're Jamaican and you love Jamaican food, and you marry a British woman, she cannot cook the food you like. Besides, you're gonna have kids of mixed-race, and if you're okay with that then that's good, but a lot of people are not.
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^I think Athlone is a member of "the Jamaican Race."

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(11-13-2012 07:58 AM)P Dog Wrote:  projects Western Europe will be 1/4 non-white by 2100, and that includes those of mixed-race.

That might've actually been 2050*

I guess eventually we're going to start seeing 100% white looking kids in the West with obviously non-white surnames. Both sides of my family have non-British European surnames, people get mad curious.
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(11-13-2012 07:46 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Well for starter, say you're Jamaican and you love Jamaican food, and you marry a British woman, she cannot cook the food you like. Besides, you're gonna have kids of mixed-race, and if you're okay with that then that's good, but a lot of people are not.

Interesting points. What do you think of kids who are mixed race?
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(11-13-2012 06:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.

This post was surprisingly free of race-trolling. What'd you have to go and say that for?
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I'm a huge race troll! I just wanna hear peoples perspectives! its a class in human psychology

This answer is gonna be good!
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We are all the same genotype? If this were true we would also be the same phenotype.... Obviously, this is not the case. Also, races are genetically and anatomically different. No amount of kumbayaaa can make that reality go away...
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People stick to their own kind for the most part. It sounds like some people are seeing more mixed couples/kids in their area and its freaking them out.
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I am mixed race, and I am not proud of it, I'd rather be just Mexican or just Arab, but not mixed...
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Dont worry, white girls will be around until we kill ourselves.
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(11-13-2012 07:46 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  
(11-13-2012 06:47 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If the races mix, we will all look like Brazilians!

(11-13-2012 06:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.

What are the obvious reasons???

Well for starter, say you're Jamaican and you love Jamaican food, and you marry a British woman, she cannot cook the food you like. Besides, you're gonna have kids of mixed-race, and if you're okay with that then that's good, but a lot of people are not.

This is a good point, and it wouldn't have been that difficult for you explain in the first place. It's more about culture than race in this instance. Some years ago I read a piece about Elizabeth Vargas, the journalist. She expressed regret at not embracing her Latin heritage more. She takes some flack for not being more Latin from the public, in that she has a Latin surname, but obviously isn't culturally. She said that her grandparents immigrated to the US from Puerto Rico, and they wanted their children to be American. They wanted them to TOTALLY assimilate, in that they felt it was important to shed any and all remnants of their own culture. They forbid their children to speak Spanish. That's the house her father grew up in. Her father married an Irish woman, so yes, the foods he grew up with disappeared. When he had his own children, they were raised without a shred of their Latin selves. All he really passed to her was his surname. Vargas herself has dated, and eventually married a white guy (Singer/Musician Marc Cohn). She largely identified with whites more than Latins, and of course her own kids are the same. So unless you make it a point NOT to lose elements of your culture, you'll lose them. I don't agree that you can't be truly American while embracing your culture, and it's definitely important that you instill that in your children since it's part of them. But in some cases, people willingly shed part of themselves to feel more accepted by another group.

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(11-13-2012 08:47 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  We are all the same genotype? If this were true we would also be the same phenotype.... Obviously, this is not the case. Also, races are genetically and anatomically different. No amount of kumbayaaa can make that reality go away...

Kimbayaa? Who was singing kumbayaa?

And your statement is not particularly interesting. With the exception of identical twins, every person is genetically different from every other person.

As for Neil's original post, I don't think we're going to end up as one gray race anytime soon. Look at a place like Eastern Europe, what's between Turkey and, say, Germany. Think about how much history has gone down in that area in the past couple of thousand years. Think about the different people that have come and gone through there. And yet, there's still lots of distinct ethnic groups.
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(11-13-2012 08:59 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I am mixed race, and I am not proud of it, I'd rather be just Mexican or just Arab, but not mixed...

Over many years I've had some conversations with biracial people, or people that grew up and went to school in areas where there weren't many people like them. They all talked of not quite knowing where they belonged, and sometimes others didn't reach out and embrace them. It disappoints me that you say you aren't proud, but is that where your issue comes from? Not having a particular group to identify with?

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(11-13-2012 07:46 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  
(11-13-2012 06:47 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If the races mix, we will all look like Brazilians!

(11-13-2012 06:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I think if somebody is gonna get married they better stick to their own race for obvious reasons.

What are the obvious reasons???

Well for starter, say you're Jamaican and you love Jamaican food, and you marry a British woman, she cannot cook the food you like. Besides, you're gonna have kids of mixed-race, and if you're okay with that then that's good, but a lot of people are not.

Let's start off with the obvious: "Jamaican" is not a race, and neither is "British". Jamaicans can be British, and vice versa.

Now, the other issues:
1. My wife not knowing how to cook "Jamaican food" doesn't sound like an obvious reason to me. I may not care all that much for jamaican food (not enough to preclude my marrying someone who can't make it) or, assuming I do care, I could simply teach her how to do it (or do it myself).

2. As stated before, "British" and "Jamaican" are nationalities, not races. I'm Jamaican and happen to be black (again, not all Jamaicans are black). I could marry a British person (a black one) and still have predominantly black children. Even assuming I do not marry a white-british person as a Jamaican, the fact that I could have mixed-race children is not an obvious reason to avoid the union. Not everyone disapproves of mixed children (in fact, the numbers suggest quite high approval in the UK, among other places) and if you're among the many who don't, there's no obvious reason not to have them assuming the presence of a strong relationship/attraction between the partners in question.

(11-13-2012 02:04 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  It scares sometimes how some white and beautiful white women decide to have kids with black or middle eastern people.

Tell me, does it bother you less when white men choose to have kids with non-whites and those kids, in turn, do not resemble them as directly as a more racially homogeneous child might have?

Or does the fact that you focus specifically on white women indicate your own insecurity with regards to competition from other men for "your" women?

Quote:It's not a problem on a social or moral level, if they love each other I'm all for it, the problem it's on a genetic level since some traits like bright eyes, fair skin and hair are recessing genetic characters.

As I stated above, that's not an issue (those traits aren't going anywhere, the kids are all carriers). The phenotypical traits you're going on about are also a mere sliver of the human genetic code-there is a much larger abundance of other traits/tendencies her children would have inherited from her (50% of their genes come from her). Focusing solely on appearance when determining the genetic contribution an individual made to a child is not a good way to make a conclusion. Her contribution is going to be 50%, regardless of which phenotypical traits take precedence.

(11-13-2012 07:13 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  I've read an article a few years back about the disappearance of red heads and even blonds in the future but can't find that magazine anywhere anymore.

I remember the article saying something like that the whole population would look the same in the end. Black hair, light brown skin.
There would be no ethnic diversity anymore which would be good for all the racial tensions in the world but bad for future players.

P-Dog has already touched on this, but this assumption is entirely ignorant of basic genetics and shows no understanding of recessive traits and how they functions.

To keep it simple (we all should have learned this in high school biology class): some traits are recessive, some are dominant. Dominant traits show even when recessive traits are present. When individuals who both possess recessive traits mate, it is possible to create individuals who only possess (and therefore only express) recessive traits. This dynamic is explained in more detail here.

Example: Blue eyes are recessive. Plenty of brown eyed people, however, carry the blue eyed trait, which they may have inherited from a blue eyed ancestor. If they mate with another individual with said trait, they can create a child with blue eyes.

This reality applies to all humans, not just white people as so many mistakenly believe-the recessive and dominant gene interaction continues regardless of racial origin.
Example: Take a typical African American (or Afro-Caribbean). Your average African American is, by blood, about 20% European. This means that it is not entirely uncommon for many African Americans to have white ancestors and for said ancestors to have carried the recessive blue-eye (or blonde hair) gene. This means that it is quite possible for this particular African American to carry the recessive genes for blonde hair and/or blue eyes.

Let's say this individual chooses to have children with a white individual who openly expresses these recessive traits. Since both individuals are carrying the traits, the offspring could inherit the recessive genes and come out looking like this:

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The recessive genes interact and are sometimes expressed, resulting in individuals with lighter phenotypical appearance (some being lighter than others).

Of course, this has the potential to get very interesting in an environment where there are few restrictions on interracial dating. If the products of these unions (like those shown above) mate with any minority carrying recessive traits (this would by definition include many blacks in the Americas), they can produce more individuals who look like them (with darker features, lighter features, or some interesting mix of both). If they begin mating with individuals who resemble their white parents (with expressed lighter recessive traits), then they can produce kids who look virtually caucasian. If those offspring in turn choose to mate with individuals who are also mixed and are carrying recessive traits, you can get just about anything. The possibilities are pretty much endless as far as appearance goes, and not entirely possible to predict as random mixing continues en masse and the genetic picture becomes more and more diverse/complex.

Regardless, the complexity inherent in any interaction between recessive and dominant traits precludes the possibility that everyone will simply turn out to "look the same". There are too many variables in play for this to happen absent forced, concentrated mating policies (i.e. testing everyone to identify who has recessive traits and then forcing those people to avoiding mating with one another at all costs-not realistic, not happening).

(11-13-2012 01:16 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  No matter how strong the genes are, at some point in the future they will die out.

This isn't how it works. Recessive traits generally persist in nature unless they are acted upon by some extreme force. For the traits unique to whites to go extinct, we would require one or more of the following:

A. We would need to identify all who possess recessive genes that code for the uniquely white phenotypes in question (lighter skin, eyes, and hair, etc).

B. We would need to force all of the hundreds of millions of people with these genes to avoid mating with one another interracially (impossible).

C. We would require some sort of epidemic/catastrophe that manages to eliminate all of those who possess recessive traits (not happening).

Absent even any of these entirely implausible realities, human biodiversity will persist. Humans will still generally mate within their racial groups and any mixing will simply result in the further spread of recessive genes to new populations (ex: the African diaspora in the new world, which now has many carriers of recessive traits), not in the elimination of those genes all together.

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(11-13-2012 08:59 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I am mixed race, and I am not proud of it, I'd rather be just Mexican or just Arab, but not mixed...

It's all beginning to make sense now...
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This thread is proof that Dr. Frances Cress Welsing was right.
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Damn Athlone, you are like the professor of the forum. I don't say that with any sarcasm.
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(11-13-2012 08:59 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I am mixed race, and I am not proud of it, I'd rather be just Mexican or just Arab, but not mixed...

Aren't most Mexicans mixed race?

Mostly a mix of Spanish and Aztec, Inca, etc ??

I think the word "mexican" means "mixed".
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(11-14-2012 01:18 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  
(11-13-2012 08:59 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I am mixed race, and I am not proud of it, I'd rather be just Mexican or just Arab, but not mixed...

Aren't most Mexicans mixed race?

Mostly a mix of Spanish and Aztec, Inca, etc ??

I think the word "mexican" means "mixed".

The genetic studies that have been done seem to confirm this.
The vast majority of Mexicans (80% or more) have Amerindian roots blended with European and (less frequently) some African ancestry. As a population, Mexicans are generally racially "mixed" by default.

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(11-14-2012 01:18 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  
(11-13-2012 08:59 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I am mixed race, and I am not proud of it, I'd rather be just Mexican or just Arab, but not mixed...

Aren't most Mexicans mixed race?

Mostly a mix of Spanish and Aztec, Inca, etc ??

I think the word "mexican" means "mixed".
YeAh, you're right Gio. That's why Mexicans can look so different contrary to popular American belief that we're all short, dark and ugly. Every Mexican I've met thinks of themselves as only Mexican, not a mixed mutt. I don't consider myself Spanish even though I know I have some in me. I don't think people in Spain would ever "accept" me if I went over there even if I brought a test that showed 99% European. If I hear a Mexican trying to act like they're Spanish, I suspect that they're ashamed of their Mexican ancestry or the American hate got to their head.

It's like blacks (Africann Americans) in America. A lot of them have European blood floating around but how many think of themselves as mixed lol? It would be cool if we all got tested to see exactly what percentage of European, Indian, African, etc. we have in our bodies.
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