Post: #7576

(12-28-2018 02:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I started using photofeeler. I rated my usual Tinder pics (20 ratings each) and got 41, 61 and 78 attractiveness (smart around 60, trust around 50). Then I rated a bunch of other pics and now I have three pics with 93, 84 and 83 attractiveness, smart around 80 and trust around 75. What’s funny is that I don’t really like those popular pics. My favorite pic is the one rated 41. It is well known that people don’t know how to choose their best pic, but I didn’t think it was that bad.

Immediately afterward I wrote to some of my current Tinder matches who had been completely silent, and two of them replied. Let’s see if it translates to more matches in the future.

I'm not sure Photofeeler is any good indicator. My first picture on tinder ranked 9.6 (top 5%) for atractiveness after 30 votes and hasn't really increased my matches. I think the voting style of photofeeler girls is very different to when girls swipe. Sure most of my other pics need improving, and even that one can be better but given how much worse my previous 'first pic' was, I was expecting at least some improvement haha.

Would any half decent photographer be able to take worthwhile pics? I'm tempted to hire one to take a few photos and see what happens.

Post: #7577

(12-26-2018 09:49 PM)Lermontov Wrote:  Quaker13 I think that you are black? Do you feel it has some kind of impact on your results in North America?

Yes, I'm black and I don't think me necessarily being black is a net positive or a net negative. Well maybe a net positive when you consider physically im what most women would envision what a powerful black guy looks like. black superman 6'3 and a lean 230lbs. aside from that my experiences have become increasingly more positive as i become a higher value male and my sexual market value proportionately goes up.

Post: #7578

(12-28-2018 06:04 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 02:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I started using photofeeler. I rated my usual Tinder pics (20 ratings each) and got 41, 61 and 78 attractiveness (smart around 60, trust around 50). Then I rated a bunch of other pics and now I have three pics with 93, 84 and 83 attractiveness, smart around 80 and trust around 75. What’s funny is that I don’t really like those popular pics. My favorite pic is the one rated 41. It is well known that people don’t know how to choose their best pic, but I didn’t think it was that bad.

Immediately afterward I wrote to some of my current Tinder matches who had been completely silent, and two of them replied. Let’s see if it translates to more matches in the future.

I'm not sure Photofeeler is any good indicator. My first picture on tinder ranked 9.6 (top 5%) for atractiveness after 30 votes and hasn't really increased my matches. I think the voting style of photofeeler girls is very different to when girls swipe. Sure most of my other pics need improving, and even that one can be better but given how much worse my previous 'first pic' was, I was expecting at least some improvement haha.

Would any half decent photographer be able to take worthwhile pics? I'm tempted to hire one to take a few photos and see what happens.

I think it's a different set of women who populate Photofeeler vs. Tinder. I'd bet that the average female on Photofeeler is (A.) less attractive, (B.) more relationship-oriented, and (C.) more intelligent than the average female on Tinder. A and B because those are the only ways a woman can struggle enough with online dating to consult outside help; a woman who's at all attractive, or who's offering up easy sex, will have more suitors than she knows what to do with. C because it takes a certain analytical way of thinking to try and optimize your photos like that.

In short, the flaw with Photofeeler is that you're using the advice of unattractive relationship seekers to help you attract hot sluts (I assume that's what you're after). That's not to say it's useless, just that it has biases. I've used PF extensively and here are the clear biases I've observed:

Anti-asshole: I once tested out a photo of a shirtless male model with douchey sunglasses and an asshole smirk; it only scored 71st percentile. Meanwhile the one shirtless photo I've tested of my non-model self scored 88th, because I'm swimming in a lake and smiling, i.e. I don't look at all douchey.
Anti-selfie: None of my top performing photos are selfies.
Pro-naturey backdrop: My single best performing photo, which scored 94th percentile, is me on a mountain with the vista behind me. Many of my other top 20% performers have an aesthetic naturey backdrop.
Pro-group shot: I always crop out everyone else partially so that it's clear who I am, but also clear I'm in a group. The social proof definitely helps.

Of course, I don't really know which of these translate to actual online dating and which are specific to the tastes of the Photofeeler community.

Despite its flaws, I believe Photofeeler is the most credible way we have to evaluate our photos.

Post: #7579

(12-28-2018 07:23 PM)Delta Wrote:  I've used PF extensively and here are the clear biases I've observed:

Anti-asshole: I once tested out a photo of a shirtless male model with douchey sunglasses and an asshole smirk; it only scored 71st percentile. Meanwhile the one shirtless photo I've tested of my non-model self scored 88th, because I'm swimming in a lake and smiling, i.e. I don't look at all douchey.
Anti-selfie: None of my top performing photos are selfies.
Pro-naturey backdrop: My single best performing photo, which scored 94th percentile, is me on a mountain with the vista behind me. Many of my other top 20% performers have an aesthetic naturey backdrop.
Pro-group shot: I always crop out everyone else partially so that it's clear who I am, but also clear I'm in a group. The social proof definitely helps.

Of course, I don't really know which of these translate to actual online dating and which are specific to the tastes of the Photofeeler community.

Despite its flaws, I believe Photofeeler is the most credible way we have to evaluate our photos.

Any pic of me with glasses I get slaughtered in the "attractive" category, but I also score highest in the "smart" category (it's just glasses people really?!?!). Pics without my glasses I have a more even spread.

Anyone tried pics with dogs in them? I've read those generally do well with online dating, but I have none of my own to test.

Post: #7580

(12-28-2018 06:04 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 02:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I started using photofeeler. I rated my usual Tinder pics (20 ratings each) and got 41, 61 and 78 attractiveness (smart around 60, trust around 50). Then I rated a bunch of other pics and now I have three pics with 93, 84 and 83 attractiveness, smart around 80 and trust around 75. What’s funny is that I don’t really like those popular pics. My favorite pic is the one rated 41. It is well known that people don’t know how to choose their best pic, but I didn’t think it was that bad.

Immediately afterward I wrote to some of my current Tinder matches who had been completely silent, and two of them replied. Let’s see if it translates to more matches in the future.

I'm not sure Photofeeler is any good indicator. My first picture on tinder ranked 9.6 (top 5%) for atractiveness after 30 votes and hasn't really increased my matches. I think the voting style of photofeeler girls is very different to when girls swipe. Sure most of my other pics need improving, and even that one can be better but given how much worse my previous 'first pic' was, I was expecting at least some improvement haha.

Would any half decent photographer be able to take worthwhile pics? I'm tempted to hire one to take a few photos and see what happens.

Tinder works the same as YouTube. The more views you get the more you get recommended first to other people. So the end result is exponential popularity for the most popular males on there.

You could have amazing photos but if it's a new profile (in a busy area) then women may not see your profile because they run out of swipes before coming anywhere close to the middle of the pile.

The irony is Tinder was made by a bunch of Nerdy Jewish guys if I recall but under this format they wouldn't be able to meet any chicks off it (but at least some years ago there was apparently an insider version of Tinder included onto the app. So that's probably how they end up scoring chicks through Tinder in a form of fame game).

Post: #7581

(12-29-2018 01:07 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 06:04 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 02:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I started using photofeeler. I rated my usual Tinder pics (20 ratings each) and got 41, 61 and 78 attractiveness (smart around 60, trust around 50). Then I rated a bunch of other pics and now I have three pics with 93, 84 and 83 attractiveness, smart around 80 and trust around 75. What’s funny is that I don’t really like those popular pics. My favorite pic is the one rated 41. It is well known that people don’t know how to choose their best pic, but I didn’t think it was that bad.

Immediately afterward I wrote to some of my current Tinder matches who had been completely silent, and two of them replied. Let’s see if it translates to more matches in the future.

I'm not sure Photofeeler is any good indicator. My first picture on tinder ranked 9.6 (top 5%) for atractiveness after 30 votes and hasn't really increased my matches. I think the voting style of photofeeler girls is very different to when girls swipe. Sure most of my other pics need improving, and even that one can be better but given how much worse my previous 'first pic' was, I was expecting at least some improvement haha.

Would any half decent photographer be able to take worthwhile pics? I'm tempted to hire one to take a few photos and see what happens.

Tinder works the same as YouTube. The more views you get the more you get recommended first to other people. So the end result is exponential popularity for the most popular males on there.

This is not true. You're thinking of Bumble.

Post: #7582

(12-29-2018 01:07 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 06:04 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 02:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I started using photofeeler. I rated my usual Tinder pics (20 ratings each) and got 41, 61 and 78 attractiveness (smart around 60, trust around 50). Then I rated a bunch of other pics and now I have three pics with 93, 84 and 83 attractiveness, smart around 80 and trust around 75. What’s funny is that I don’t really like those popular pics. My favorite pic is the one rated 41. It is well known that people don’t know how to choose their best pic, but I didn’t think it was that bad.

Immediately afterward I wrote to some of my current Tinder matches who had been completely silent, and two of them replied. Let’s see if it translates to more matches in the future.

I'm not sure Photofeeler is any good indicator. My first picture on tinder ranked 9.6 (top 5%) for atractiveness after 30 votes and hasn't really increased my matches. I think the voting style of photofeeler girls is very different to when girls swipe. Sure most of my other pics need improving, and even that one can be better but given how much worse my previous 'first pic' was, I was expecting at least some improvement haha.

Would any half decent photographer be able to take worthwhile pics? I'm tempted to hire one to take a few photos and see what happens.

The irony is Tinder was made by a bunch of Nerdy Jewish guys if I recall but under this format they wouldn't be able to meet any chicks off it (but at least some years ago there was apparently an insider version of Tinder included onto the app. So that's probably how they end up scoring chicks through Tinder in a form of fame game).

Yes, but don't you think such a feature would be short-lived? Stacking the algorithm so that your account automatically matches HB 8-10s won't help you once they realize your a (((beta dude))).

Also, other than just brute forcing the hot women to swipe on their profiles, how could they give themselves a leg-up within the app?

"Hey, I'm Schlomo, cofounder of Tinder. How is your experience so far?"
HB9: "Really??!! Thank you! I met Chad from the Dallas Cowboys on here. Hey, I'm driving right now, ttyl."

It's sort of like (((Neil Strauss))) and his book Game. Even if you believe every word he wrote, it's not like he got much further than short circuiting a few hamster wheels.

Post: #7583

(12-28-2018 07:23 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 06:04 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 02:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I started using photofeeler. I rated my usual Tinder pics (20 ratings each) and got 41, 61 and 78 attractiveness (smart around 60, trust around 50). Then I rated a bunch of other pics and now I have three pics with 93, 84 and 83 attractiveness, smart around 80 and trust around 75. What’s funny is that I don’t really like those popular pics. My favorite pic is the one rated 41. It is well known that people don’t know how to choose their best pic, but I didn’t think it was that bad.

Immediately afterward I wrote to some of my current Tinder matches who had been completely silent, and two of them replied. Let’s see if it translates to more matches in the future.

I'm not sure Photofeeler is any good indicator. My first picture on tinder ranked 9.6 (top 5%) for atractiveness after 30 votes and hasn't really increased my matches. I think the voting style of photofeeler girls is very different to when girls swipe. Sure most of my other pics need improving, and even that one can be better but given how much worse my previous 'first pic' was, I was expecting at least some improvement haha.

Would any half decent photographer be able to take worthwhile pics? I'm tempted to hire one to take a few photos and see what happens.

I think it's a different set of women who populate Photofeeler vs. Tinder. I'd bet that the average female on Photofeeler is (A.) less attractive, (B.) more relationship-oriented, and (C.) more intelligent than the average female on Tinder. A and B because those are the only ways a woman can struggle enough with online dating to consult outside help; a woman who's at all attractive, or who's offering up easy sex, will have more suitors than she knows what to do with. C because it takes a certain analytical way of thinking to try and optimize your photos like that.

In short, the flaw with Photofeeler is that you're using the advice of unattractive relationship seekers to help you attract hot sluts (I assume that's what you're after). That's not to say it's useless, just that it has biases. I've used PF extensively and here are the clear biases I've observed:

Anti-asshole: I once tested out a photo of a shirtless male model with douchey sunglasses and an asshole smirk; it only scored 71st percentile. Meanwhile the one shirtless photo I've tested of my non-model self scored 88th, because I'm swimming in a lake and smiling, i.e. I don't look at all douchey.
Anti-selfie: None of my top performing photos are selfies.
Pro-naturey backdrop: My single best performing photo, which scored 94th percentile, is me on a mountain with the vista behind me. Many of my other top 20% performers have an aesthetic naturey backdrop.
Pro-group shot: I always crop out everyone else partially so that it's clear who I am, but also clear I'm in a group. The social proof definitely helps.

Of course, I don't really know which of these translate to actual online dating and which are specific to the tastes of the Photofeeler community.

Despite its flaws, I believe Photofeeler is the most credible way we have to evaluate our photos.

Have had the same experience with first 3 points and probably true for 4th point as well but never tested.

Many of my friend girls are equally as biased. They just assume you want to look like an all rounded boyfriend material and even the ones you can trust to tell that all you want is hook ups don't seem to evaluate too well.

I would say to get real evaluation, get 3-5 decent 'first pic' style pictures. Run them through photofeeler / girl friends and then test with new Tinder accounts once in a while with a new first pic starting from the top rated one. See which one gets the most matches.

Post: #7584

Some other tricks I use for my Tinder pics:

- FaceApp option ´Young’ and ´Smile’ to look younger and friendler. ‘Smile’ doesn’t always work, sometimes it makes an ugly grin. Young makes you lose 5 to 10 years.

- how-old.net to test how old I look on my pics.

Post: #7585

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The irony is Tinder was made by a bunch of Nerdy Jewish guys if I recall but under this format they wouldn't be able to meet any chicks off it (but at least some years ago there was apparently an insider version of Tinder included onto the app. So that's probably how they end up scoring chicks through Tinder in a form of fame game).
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Pretty sure the creator was a relatively attractive Persian-American dude. Much like Roosh, actually. Sean Rad. I can see why you'd think anything tech was Jewish derived though, as they are over represented compared to population ratio, but not the case here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sean-rad...ise-2018-8

Post: #7586

Guy makes a phony account using a CHAD pic and writes that he is a convicted child molester in his profile and will be going back to prison shortly.

Unsurprisingly still has women throwing themselves at him even after discussing his crimes in chat.

Post: #7587

dumb question. What description would you put on tinder ahead on a trip on a specific location to draw attention from the local chicks? I hate tinder but will resort to it just to give it a chance.

Post: #7588

(12-29-2018 07:03 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Guy makes a phony account using a CHAD pic and writes that he is a convicted child molester in his profile and will be going back to prison shortly.

Unsurprisingly still has women throwing themselves at him even after discussing his crimes in chat.

Tinder has been out since 2012, 2013? People still doing "tests" to prove women want to fuck attractive men?

Post: #7589

Its as if they think “AHA! I KNEW women were sluts that were attracted to hot guys and that personality doesnt matter. Might as well give up and become an incel.”

Post: #7590

(12-30-2018 12:39 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Its as if they think “AHA! I KNEW women were sluts that were attracted to hot guys and that personality doesnt matter. Might as well give up and become an incel.”

It takes effort to look good and stay that way. It takes money, time and most importantly, almost daily physical discomfort. Most guys are just too lazy to put in the work. Sitting on your ass and texting is the easy part, the phone call is easy, the meetup is easy. All the Bruce Wayne level prep tho? That's the thing that sucks.

Post: #7591

(12-29-2018 07:03 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Guy makes a phony account using a CHAD pic and writes that he is a convicted child molester in his profile and will be going back to prison shortly.

Unsurprisingly still has women throwing themselves at him even after discussing his crimes in chat.

That test doesn't prove anything but that girls are attracted to good looking guys on a platform where they only look at the pictures and want a ONS. Wonder how many guys would give up the opportunity for a tinder bang with a 8+ model if she had the same bio? Probably no one.

Post: #7592

Does anyone know which method gets you more matches, restarting your account or paying for a tinder boost?

I remember getting more matches with a tinder boost in the past when it first came out, but I'm not sure now in 2018/2019. I haven't tried the tinder boost in awhile.

Post: #7593

(12-30-2018 02:38 PM)jalke63 Wrote:  Does anyone know which method gets you more matches, restarting your account or paying for a tinder boost?

I remember getting more matches with a tinder boost in the past when it first came out, but I'm not sure now in 2018/2019. I haven't tried the tinder boost in awhile.

From my recent expiriences buying boost from Tinder doesn't work any more for me.
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I was in Berlin last week, all week no match, used Tinder boost, matched with spam, attention whores or low value ELO score destroying profiles. Deleted my account and reset to a new account, booom, matches, and then i go into a circular loop where one match leads to the next.

Currently in Manchester, same here, all week no matches, used Tinder boost again only matches from spam accounts, "add me on snapchat accounts", attention whores, low value ELO scores. Made Tinder account reset Saturday morning, and was on the girls canapé with red wine same night.

I think Tinder Boost is a scam, it doesn't work for me. Tinder app for sure is a scam, the algorithmn exists to hide your profile

Post: #7594

Do you swipe right on everyone? it seems the app is just showing you people who mimic your swiping behavior

Post: #7595

(12-29-2018 10:57 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 07:03 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Guy makes a phony account using a CHAD pic and writes that he is a convicted child molester in his profile and will be going back to prison shortly.

Unsurprisingly still has women throwing themselves at him even after discussing his crimes in chat.

Tinder has been out since 2012, 2013? People still doing "tests" to prove women want to fuck attractive men?

The phony account tells the women he molested a 2 year old and with another a 6 year old boy. The women immediately forgive him or ask that they talk about something else. They then pursue him like a thirsty beta offering themselves easily for the hookup. Hypergamy gone mad.

In a normal society this would seem insane. I think its important to remind ourselves sometimes that we are not living in a sane world anymore. If this behaviour becomes normalized and accepted then we have no hope of ever changing it.

Post: #7596

(12-30-2018 06:02 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 10:57 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 07:03 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Guy makes a phony account using a CHAD pic and writes that he is a convicted child molester in his profile and will be going back to prison shortly.

Unsurprisingly still has women throwing themselves at him even after discussing his crimes in chat.

Tinder has been out since 2012, 2013? People still doing "tests" to prove women want to fuck attractive men?

The phony account tells the women he molested a 2 year old and with another a 6 year old boy. The women immediately forgive him or ask that they talk about something else. They then pursue him like a thirsty beta offering themselves easily for the hookup. Hypergamy gone mad.

In a normal society this would seem insane. I think its important to remind ourselves sometimes that we are not living in a sane world anymore. If this behaviour becomes normalized and accepted then we have no hope of ever changing it.

He doesn't go for the number or date pitch, nor does he fuck these girls.

Nowhere do they "offer themselves easily for the hookup".

These videos are a coping mechanism by involuntary celibate men to further their own psychological demons.

Post: #7597

(12-30-2018 09:58 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 06:02 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 10:57 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 07:03 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Guy makes a phony account using a CHAD pic and writes that he is a convicted child molester in his profile and will be going back to prison shortly.

Unsurprisingly still has women throwing themselves at him even after discussing his crimes in chat.

Tinder has been out since 2012, 2013? People still doing "tests" to prove women want to fuck attractive men?

The phony account tells the women he molested a 2 year old and with another a 6 year old boy. The women immediately forgive him or ask that they talk about something else. They then pursue him like a thirsty beta offering themselves easily for the hookup. Hypergamy gone mad.

In a normal society this would seem insane. I think its important to remind ourselves sometimes that we are not living in a sane world anymore. If this behaviour becomes normalized and accepted then we have no hope of ever changing it.

He doesn't go for the number or date pitch, nor does he fuck these girls.

Nowhere do they "offer themselves easily for the hookup".

These videos are a coping mechanism by involuntary celibate men to further their own psychological demons.

I honestly don't get what's so bad about chicks misleading guys. So what? I'm no WK, I'm about avoiding bad scenarios with women as much as possible and putting yourself first. But I can't hate on another person doing whatever to get what they want. If most normies fall for the nonsense women tell us to weed us out then gg for them.

Your parents lied, your teachers lied, your female bestie lied, get over it. Adapt or go dry, it's that simple. It's nothing personal, these chicks dont know you so rejection isn't tailored to you. The meta game of humanity is deception and subterfuge. If you're not aware of the options in the game, you can't expect to place high.

A lot of people though would rather cope than try to improve. Oh well.

Post: #7598

For those who went to get a nicer editorial photo taken. What did you guys say for the reason for wanting to do one? My go to reason is just to say I want a nicer picture of myself and I never had one, which is technically true. Not sure if you guys use a better reason? I don't want to say something like I want a better picture for my social media

Post: #7599

Jalke63 I had a Russian female photographer. I simply told her I wanted pics for dating apps and we got to work. I gave her a few bad pics and told her why I hated them and shared a few good pics and told her why I liked them. She did an awesome job. I have more options than know what to do with from tinder alone let alone IRL approaches and tinder

Post: #7600

(12-31-2018 11:51 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  Jalke63 I had a Russian female photographer. I simply told her I wanted pics for dating apps and we got to work. I gave her a few bad pics and told her why I hated them and shared a few good pics and told her why I liked them. She did an awesome job. I have more options than know what to do with from tinder alone let alone IRL approaches and tinder

That's great to hear man. I have definitely seen the differences what professional photos can do. It's crazy. I have just always thought most people who want to get those really good photos taken are trying to enhance their modeling career or something, so an alternate reason might be a little strange. Thanks for the info.