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(02-15-2014 11:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Pretty good study that was done with Tinder. They made fake profiles and wrote a script that automated the process of right-swiping girls. They used both white and Asian photos, some of the guys models. What they found is that even the male models had pretty low conversion ratios:

http://www.puavault.net/pua/blogvote.cfm?entryid=11919

Don't feel too bad if you aren't killing it on Tinder. A cute girl on there still gets like 10x as much attention as a male model. Just like any dating site, women are simply swamped with attention and wouldn't have the time to date all the guys hitting them even if they wanted to. Just another seller's market. They have the concrete numbers to show for it.

Great analysis. This is why real life still reigns. Higher barrier to entry. 99% of guys will not speak to a cute girl if they don't know her in real life, but it's easy as hell to like or send an email. These are apps are fun to get some hookups, but the conversion rate is extremely low.
02-16-2014 08:35 AM
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(02-15-2014 11:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Pretty good study that was done with Tinder. They made fake profiles and wrote a script that automated the process of right-swiping girls. They used both white and Asian photos, some of the guys models. What they found is that even the male models had pretty low conversion ratios:

http://www.puavault.net/pua/blogvote.cfm?entryid=11919

Don't feel too bad if you aren't killing it on Tinder. A cute girl on there still gets like 10x as much attention as a male model. Just like any dating site, women are simply swamped with attention and wouldn't have the time to date all the guys hitting them even if they wanted to. Just another seller's market. They have the concrete numbers to show for it.

Based on my experience with it this winter, it seems to have the highest flake rate of any of the apps. Best way I've found to mitigate is to keep the messaging short, find out what part of the city they are in, get a phone number. Then try to catch them out one night, if you are in their general area. Something like "hey, out near your area. let's grab a drink"

Nearly every single time I've made plans, even 1-2 days out, it becomes a flake. But if you catch them on a night they are already drinking and out, it's less "date-ish" and more "it just happened'.

Bitches love "it just happened"...

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(02-16-2014 12:04 PM)ryanf Wrote:  
(02-15-2014 11:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Pretty good study that was done with Tinder. They made fake profiles and wrote a script that automated the process of right-swiping girls. They used both white and Asian photos, some of the guys models. What they found is that even the male models had pretty low conversion ratios:

http://www.puavault.net/pua/blogvote.cfm?entryid=11919

Don't feel too bad if you aren't killing it on Tinder. A cute girl on there still gets like 10x as much attention as a male model. Just like any dating site, women are simply swamped with attention and wouldn't have the time to date all the guys hitting them even if they wanted to. Just another seller's market. They have the concrete numbers to show for it.

Based on my experience with it this winter, it seems to have the highest flake rate of any of the apps. Best way I've found to mitigate is to keep the messaging short, find out what part of the city they are in, get a phone number. Then try to catch them out one night, if you are in their general area. Something like "hey, out near your area. let's grab a drink"

Nearly every single time I've made plans, even 1-2 days out, it becomes a flake. But if you catch them on a night they are already drinking and out, it's less "date-ish" and more "it just happened'.

Bitches love "it just happened"...

I think the strategy of getting your messaging off of Tinder quickly is important. Try to get their number fast and message them over that instead of Tinder. Psychologically that's very important. I've also found that unless the girl messages me first, she almost always goes radio silence after a few messages. It's to the point that I don't even bother messaging girls on there. I just hit like in mass and whoever hits me up I respond to. If she messages you first, then you know it's a sure bet. Afterall, dating sites/apps are just male brothels and they do all the selecting anyway.
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Mine go to radio silence about 50-60% of the time. I've only ever had one girl message me first. She went radio silent too. But yeah, if you can get the number within 5-6 back and forths, stop messaging immediately. I've also had flakes that turned into notches. I don't get AS annoyed at flakes from here because it's so impersonal, compared to real life approaches. But the only tried-and-true method I've found is to catch them while they are out at bars drinking. It gives the illusion of a chance meeting, they are usually already drinking, and have likely had bad game spit at them already that evening. If you catch them out like this, high likelihood of a SNL.

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(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)ryanf Wrote:  Mine go to radio silence about 50-60% of the time. I've only ever had one girl message me first. She went radio silent too. But yeah, if you can get the number within 5-6 back and forths, stop messaging immediately. I've also had flakes that turned into notches. I don't get AS annoyed at flakes from here because it's so impersonal, compared to real life approaches. But the only tried-and-true method I've found is to catch them while they are out at bars drinking. It gives the illusion of a chance meeting, they are usually already drinking, and have likely had bad game spit at them already that evening. If you catch them out like this, high likelihood of a SNL.

Same here been on exactly two weeks, most of my matches have gone silent. I was excited after the first week, cause of a notch and another strong prospect, but in reality I agree with speakeasy,ryanf, and that analysis link that was posted.

This isn't much different than all online dating in the sheer number of guys hitting up these girls. I really believe that's why we need to develop certain niches in our profiles, as that cuts down on the noise factor. Whether that's hipsters, nerds, MILFs, working professionals, or whatever.
Pick a niche, design your pics/profile around that and stick with it. With Tinder, it's 95% pictures, but even still your look can be changed to suit your desired market.
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I'm trying to sign for Tinder but it won't accept my verfication code that was sent for me. Been trying for a day.

Has this happened to anyone else?

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Anybody else seen this?

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Not yet, but it's not like anyone would fuck that fat bitch in the 2nd pic

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Haven't read all the way through the posts here... but I've had semi good luck with Tinder so heres my quickly put together guide.

It's 90% appearance and specifically what pictures you choose... so don't expect game to be an end all here. Establish a niche with your pictures. Your opener should be the best looking face advertisement you can have (I personally avoid selfies at all costs, find a good pic of you DOING anything, thats always better), the rest need to be you looking good, and establishing a niche. In all of mine I am outdoors, wakeboarding, snowboarding, etc.

Make yourself look fun to be around, theres lots of good looking guys there.. but interesting? THAT you can excel in. Show off hobbies, this is a you advertisement. I aim for outdoorsy hipster types on tinder. You like to read, flaunt it. You kill at hookah smoke tricks? You blowing Os will be a winner. There will be alot of whatever your niche girl is on here, so advertise it specifically. Conversion rates will be awful, but if you get a really specific set of girls coming in, you can streamline the process and make it work.
(fucked a girl I met in a sauna, found out she recognized me from having seen me on tinder, profile worked game without me touching it, she wanted to go rock climbing but we've yet to get around to that)


And as for openers... just try to be original. Guys spit game on here 24/7, you gotta be original or you'll fall into the background. I always open with a non-sequitur. Find what works for you, you never have to see these girls so you can try whatever. Throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks.


And these will generally be one date conversion type things in my experience (though that may just be my niche's results).

The step by step.

1. Break radio silence
2. Ask questions about girl (themselves... everyone's favorite topic, establishing knowledge makes you seem less like another dude running game)
3. Humble brag whatever activities you have been advertising in your pictures... they are the reason she swiped yes
4. Get number quickly (under 5 replies ideally, quickly establish interest levels) and set a date for an activity of your choosing that can be brought back to your place (or better, plan that in, planned Netflix is great to establish interest levels)
5. Convert with your standard game, you're here, you got this




Also, dude suggesting the "in the area, it just happened" approach? I really like that idea, even less effort for same results.. though more luck required. I will attempt to bring it in to my arsenal. Kudos!
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I find it ironic that quality girls are more drawn to what's essentially a straight ripoff of a gay hookup app than to OKC, where they've at least got plausible deniability about hooking up. I mean, if OKC has the "online dating" stigma, doesn't Tinder have the "craigslist casual encounters" stigma? Or do girls really believe they're just on it to hot-or-not photos of guys?
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(02-17-2014 02:45 AM)Mr. E Wrote:  I find it ironic that quality girls are more drawn to what's essentially a straight ripoff of a gay hookup app than to OKC, where they've at least got plausible deniability about hooking up. I mean, if OKC has the "online dating" stigma, doesn't Tinder have the "craigslist casual encounters" stigma? Or do girls really believe they're just on it to hot-or-not photos of guys?

I'm dealing with a college crowd, but most girls I know have never met a guy in person off tinder, and the ones I've met 'didn't even know anyone actually did this!".

It's got a joke stigma, and 99.9% of guys on there open with "Hey" or "You're so pretty" because they're fucking stupid.

So when a person with effective social skills uses it, you can stand out pretty easy. It's the only online service I've used, but I'd imagine others are similar... full of nervous betas pussyfooting in, leaving girls unprepared for and accepting of an actual approach.

Plus tinder is so lowkey... you setup a date, its a stealth affair, no one can see that profile. Its not a "hookup" if her friends aren't there judging her for it.
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Some thoughts from UK:

- Girls not replying to messages - but they also don't block you either.
- Seeing more profiles with "not looking for hook-ups". Then go back to match.com
- Pictures of themselves with drugged-out tigers.
- Fake moustache selfies - she has a sense of humour, you guys.
- Inane quotes, this one I must have seen about 50 times:

Quote:“I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.”

Yeah, it's Marilyn Monroe. Also, were you aware that she was "curvy"?
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haha, yeah - a lot have that MM quote here also.
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That MM quote makes me sick to my stomach every time I see it. The fact that most of them believe it represents their values is mind boggling.
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You can mention that the quote was made by a drug addict that died depressed and burned out.
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Hot or Not site is having a resurgence with an app and aggressive marketing campaign. A lot of attention hoes though.

Half my matches on Tinder are South American International students or visitors. One week "12 km away", the next "97km away". WTF!

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(02-17-2014 02:17 PM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  This is a Tumblr of Athlete's Tinder accounts in Sochi

something very strange about those photos, some of them say "sochi 2014" others say "playing hockey in the usa!" (like the women's swiss hockey player)

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i don't get it. aren't they in russia?

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(02-17-2014 03:14 PM)eradicator Wrote:  
(02-17-2014 02:17 PM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  This is a Tumblr of Athlete's Tinder accounts in Sochi

something very strange about those photos, some of them say "sochi 2014" others say "playing hockey in the usa!" (like the women's swiss hockey player)

[Image: tumblr_n10b6ai1LN1tsmt6yo3_250.jpg]

i don't get it. aren't they in russia?

She's a ice hockey player studying and playing hockey at the College of St. Scholastica. It's the olympics so she plays for her home country. It's like Alex Ovechkin, playing pro in NA but for team Russia during the olympics.

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the MM quote is a false quotation. she never said it. but yes it's horrible.
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What would you guys do when you try and get a girl off tinder and on to text and they instead say add them on facebook. What would you guys say to that?
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(02-18-2014 05:31 PM)tylerdurden1993 Wrote:  What would you guys do when you try and get a girl off tinder and on to text and they instead say add them on facebook. What would you guys say to that?

I log on my secondary Facebook account, add them and continue trying to get them to text instead. "I hardly ever check Facebook" or "Facebook messaging sucks" are non-terrible starters.

Or, if you don't want to involve Facebook, just tell them you don't have a Facebook account. Problem solved.
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(02-18-2014 06:01 PM)TouchpadSeller Wrote:  
(02-18-2014 05:31 PM)tylerdurden1993 Wrote:  What would you guys do when you try and get a girl off tinder and on to text and they instead say add them on facebook. What would you guys say to that?

I log on my secondary Facebook account, add them and continue trying to get them to text instead. "I hardly ever check Facebook" or "Facebook messaging sucks" are non-terrible starters.

Or, if you don't want to involve Facebook, just tell them you don't have a Facebook account. Problem solved.

can't say you don't have one if you're on tinder, I'd go with what you said, I hardly ever check it
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Just downloaded it tonight after reading the thread.

We'll see what its like for the Oilsands.

It seemed too much work to start a new facebook so I started up my old one.

So questions...

Are any of ye using topless pics? I got some good ones but is this a bad move.
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Alright I got this all set up.

I got two preselected pics with girl, one suited up pic, one surfing pic, a post gym topless pic and a cool celebrity style pic from back home. Looks good but haven't done a tagline yet. Probably just leave it blank for now.

Was only one girl within a 100km right now (thanks remote drilling) and I declined so can't exactly practice the info in the thread just yet.
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