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A logo in the sense of what MGTOW is all about avoiding. lol
12-16-2013 04:59 PM
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This is my new favourite blogger:

https://wimminz.wordpress.com/

He has quite a MGTOW perspective. In that he is Red Pill - but also is not bothered about the PUA/self-improvement side of things either.

His writing is very clever and funny. He is some kind of computer systems engineer - and seems to enjoy the incongruity of being incredibly professional and pleasant in his day to day work. Whilst seething with the most unPC 'Red Pill' cynical shit you can think of.

Plus he has some interesting insights into the changing culture of the modern world and the fucked up nature of modern capitalism.

Here are some posts of his I came across recently. They give good flavour of what I like about his blog.

https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/19...must-fall/

https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27...-mil-joke/

https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/26...e-friends/

And thanks to Crippler for the recommendation!
12-30-2013 08:54 AM
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^ This dude is raw! He isn't afraid to say it. I love the comparison between plantation slaves and men today.
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(07-25-2013 11:55 AM)assman Wrote:  
(05-04-2013 08:16 PM)RawGod Wrote:  In theory, MGTOWs are going their own way and doing whatever they want. That's what the acronym says. How could you argue with that?

But in practice, their forums and other internet droppings are full of bitter loserdom and hate of those with active sex lives.
^^^ This.

There is a lot of resentment on MGTOW forums for guys who get laid, though they won't come right out and say it. If they don't chase players away with their never-ending stream of bitterness, they eventually find a reason to ban you. Those forums are hive-mind circle jerks.

I kinda lean MGTOW in my aging sigma ways, but the MGTOW forums is full of sour grapes. I prefer RVF because there is honest want for self-improvement, and for the passing of the torch of wisdom. (I never had a mentor myself in my younger years, so I'm happy to pass on any tips I may have accrued.)
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MGTOW commercial for a Toyota car.





The song used in the advert is great. But sadly the band (Wu Lyf) were not happy about their music being used in a commercial which "disrespected women". WTF???

I really love this advert. It totally sums up how I feel about relationships. I hate it when I see a guy being kept in check by his woman.
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MGTOW - TEACHING SLAVES TO READ SINCE 2002.
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Just saw this on a recent Roosh V blog post. It is from H.L. Mencken:

Quote:Here we have a sufficient explanation of the general superiority of bachelors, so often noted by students of mankind—a superiority so marked that it is difficult, in all history, to find six first-rate philosophers who were married men.

The bachelor’s very capacity to avoid marriage is no more than a proof of his relative freedom from the ordinary sentimentalism of his sex—in other words, of his greater approximation to the clear headedness of the enemy sex.

He is able to defeat the enterprise of women because he brings to the business an equipment almost comparable to their own.
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The whole blog post is worth reading. It is a review of 'In Defense Of Women' by H.L. Mencken.

http://www.rooshv.com/in-defense-of-women

I love it when Roosh writes about books. He is really insightful, and has a deep and offbeat taste in books. He is continually drawing my attention to overlooked classics which nobody else talks about anymore.
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Just had a thought whilst reading another of Roosh's book reviews ('On Beauty' by Roger Scruton).

You guys. If you want to improve your outlook on 'game' and your outlook on women. Just do this one thing.

Pull together a few hundred dollars and go bang a stunning hooker (who is a '9' or a '10').

It is the best thing you will ever do. And it doesn't matter if you never do it again.

Just experiencing such raw beauty is a real eye-opener. But - the important thing is that it takes away some of the mystique and power that incredibly hot women have over us men. Once you have gotten it out of your system it helps you to be less 'thirsty' around incredibly hot women in future.

It certainly did that for me. It is hard to express the change that comes over you. It is like the difference in mindset you have when you have never being in a fight - versus having your first fight and winning it.

Maybe a bad analogy. But what the hell. I'm doing my best here! :-)
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I think MGTOW means different things to different people. I may try and write a bit more about what it means to me in the future. Since I think alot of people project there own prejudices onto what they think it stands for.

With that said, the following quote from Albert Camus speaks to me in a deep way.

Quote:The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.
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(01-06-2014 06:30 PM)cardguy Wrote:  Just had a thought whilst reading another of Roosh's book reviews ('On Beauty' by Roger Scruton).

You guys. If you want to improve your outlook on 'game' and your outlook on women. Just do this one thing.

Pull together a few hundred dollars and go bang a stunning hooker (who is a '9' or a '10').

It is the best thing you will ever do. And it doesn't matter if you never do it again.

Just experiencing such raw beauty is a real eye-opener. But - the important thing is that it takes away some of the mystique and power that incredibly hot women have over us men. Once you have gotten it out of your system it helps you to be less 'thirsty' around incredibly hot women in future.

It certainly did that for me. It is hard to express the change that comes over you. It is like the difference in mindset you have when you have never being in a fight - versus having your first fight and winning it.

Maybe a bad analogy. But what the hell. I'm doing my best here! :-)

cardguy, it would do a lot less for most men than you might imagine.

The simple reason is that for most guys, fucking the hottest girl in the most enjoyable way is not really the point.

The point is the validation they get in their own eyes and in the eyes of other men from seducing the hottest girl and getting her to submit to them. The actual sex is just the cherry on top, or even something more formal -- like the receipt you get from the bank confirming your cash deposit, with the validation of your masculinity being analogous to the actual cash.

The decisive majority of men would much rather bang an honestly gamed 6 and take whatever validation they can get from this modest coup, than fuck the sweetest slut in the world in every possible hole, if that requires what they see as the illicit short-cut of paying for it. Do you not understand this?

Look at the writing of most guys about game. At what point does this writing come alive? Almost invariably, it is in the description of the seduction process, the tricks and subterfuges that they've used to get the girl to follow their lead, the steps they have taken to secure actual or imagined mastery. When it comes to the sex itself the writing usually trails off or falls flat. Why? Because that's not the really interesting or important part. It's all about the thrill of the hunt.

For the gourmet, the pheasant is a delicacy that he wants to gorge himself on; for the hunter it is a mere trophy that proves his ability to stalk and capture his quarry. Most men are hunters, not gourmets. You can feed them the most delicious store-bought pheasant meat, but it will do little or nothing to settle their stomachs when they rise before dawn to set out for the chase.

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Interesting.

I never gave a fuck about validation from others. So maybe that is why I think a bit differently about this than some others on here.

Also - validation from women? Yuck. You do realise that most of the hot young chicks you want to bang idolize shit like Justin Bieber and One Direction? :-)
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(01-06-2014 08:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I never gave a fuck about validation from others. So maybe that is why I think a bit differently about this than some others on here.

Yes, you do think differently. You should reflect on this difference because it's a very basic one. It is striking to me that you do not seem to realize it.

(01-06-2014 08:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  Also - validation from women? Yuck. You do realise that most of the hot young chicks you want to bang idolize shit like Justin Bieber and One Direction? :-)

Think of the hunter analogy again. What gives validation is the hunter's ability to stalk and capture the quarry. The woman is like a wild animal that the man wishes to subdue. His ability to subdue her validates his masculinity in his own eyes and in the eyes of other men.

I'm not making a value judgment about these things -- just describing what the reality is.

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(01-06-2014 08:22 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 08:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I never gave a fuck about validation from others. So maybe that is why I think a bit differently about this than some others on here.

Yes, you do think differently. You should reflect on this difference because it's a very basic one. It is striking to me that you do not seem to realize it.

(01-06-2014 08:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  Also - validation from women? Yuck. You do realise that most of the hot young chicks you want to bang idolize shit like Justin Bieber and One Direction? :-)

Think of the hunter analogy again. What gives validation is the hunter's ability to stalk and capture the quarry. The woman is like a wild animal that the man wishes to subdue. His ability to subdue her validates his masculinity in his own eyes and in the eyes of other men.

I'm not making a value judgment about these things -- just describing what the reality is.

It's kind of a mindfuck to me to think that some guys want to get girls just to show them off to other guys or prove how awesome of a "hunter" they are, rather than wanting to just fuck a girl on an instinctual, hindbrain level. I guess it requires a separate level of (probably subconscious) conditioning to want to have a girl for reasons other than wanting to get a nut off.

Seriously, what is there to prove? Who beyond yourself is so important that you need to show your abilities to them?
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Yeah - I don't understand it either.

Does it mean if these guys got shipwrecked on an island filled just with hot women. They wouldn't enjoying the bangs because there would be no guys around to show off their bangs to?

I have a weird theory that I wanna' work on.

Firstly take two countries which are similar - like the USA and the UK. And then compare the rates of use for pornography between the two countries - per internet connection in each country.

Why do I wanna' do this?

Well - America has far higher rates of circumcision in men than here in the UK. I don't have the figures to hand. But I would guess that about 5% of the UK is circumcised (and most of them are Jews and Muslims). Whereas in the USA - I sense about 70% of men are circumcised.

Why is this important? Well - it is my belief that circumcision reduces the sensitivity of the penis and reduces the pleasure you get from sex.

It is hard to know if this is true - since most of the research in this area is funded by people trying to promote circumcision.

But - lets use some logic.

First of all - alot of men who get circumcised for medical reasons will surely find sex after circumcision to be more enjoyable. Since the tight foreskin pain they were suffering from has been taken away.

So - already - the main sample used in this research is skewed in a way to suggest that the pleasure of sex is not diminished by circumcision.

Secondly - there is a big difference between circumcising a man - and then 2 weeks later (or 6 months later?) testing him to see if sensitivty has been reduced in his penis head versus the differences which can be expected when you circumsise a child.

Since when a child is circumcised - they will have 16 to 17 years of friction which slowly dulls the head of the penis (which remember is the most sensitive part of the male body with millions of nerve endings). And - since they were too young to remember how things felt before circumcision - they will only ever be aware of the reality they have grown up with. And as such cannot be sure if their penis head has reduced in sensitivity as a result of circumcision. To them - whatever sensitivity they have is all they have ever known.

So - if we imagine for a second that circumcision does reduce sensitivity in the penis - what is the link between that and porn?

Well - sex has two components. The pleasure of the act - and the pleasure your ego gets as a result of adding an extra notch to your running total. And perhaps the peasure you get from dominating a woman.

Now - where does porn fit into this? With porn - you get a pretty close substitution for the pleasure of the act. And you get zero ego boost (if anything - a slight decrease in your ego and sense of worth). And get zero sense of dominating a woman.

So - perhaps? - by comparing the rates of porn usage between the USA and UK - we may see evidence for this?

Perhaps in America - due to reduced sensations during sex - the ego boost of scoring (and dominating) plays a larger role? And if that is the case - it provides an interesting cultural difference between the USA and the UK.

As such - one imagines that MGTOW type thinking (ie hookers and porn are often better and than the real thing) will be more prevalent in the UK (and other countries) than in a country like the USA.

And to add to my analysis. I sense there is a difference in approach to sex in America compared to other countries. Indeed - it can easily seen in porn made in the USA.

The characteristics of porn in the USA are based around guys aggressively banging hot blond girls with big tits. The classic "10" according to popular tastes. I like a blonde with big tits as much as the next guy. But to me - I get more turned on by other types of look which are far less prevalent in US porn.

So - why the prevalence of classically hot (in a stereotypcial way) busty blondes in US porn? Well - it could be linked to the status and ego boost that US guys need from sex. And as such - in there minds - banging a girl who is perceived as hot by others - is the ultimate form of sex. Since the consequent ego boost is even greater.

Secondly - I sense US guys are less experimental in exploring their sexuality in the way other countries do.

For instance - I feel a handjob from a chick is more pleasurable than a blowjob. And indeed - banging a chick is only one option among many possibilites. Whereas I sense US guys have a 'close at all costs' mentality where the only thing that counts is the bang. Since at that moment - you have 'won'. Whereas I am quite happy not banging a girl. Often I prefer a blowjob or a handjob - or just watching a girl fuck another girl while I jerk off.

[Note: I bang alot of hookers - I am no playboy.]

Yet - the mentality of turning down a bang in order to do something else seems a little alien to Americans since to them - the hole is the only goal. And only a faggot or pussy is not obsessed with shooting in it at all costs. It is this mentality which seems to lie behind the agressive Jock culture - and is an intriguing parallel to the aggressive approach to capitalism (and dominating in business) which is prevalent in the US. I wonder what Freud would make of that.

And to add to the above - there is the issues surrouding prostate orgasms. Which is a whole other issue - but one which seems less popular in America due to paranoia bout being thought a sissy fag. And to which I should add - there seems to be an insecurity among Americans among straight guys of being nothing less than 100% straight and 'normal' when it comes to sex.

I have experimented with prostate orgasms - and may post on it sometime. Suffice to say - you have literally no idea what a woman experiences during sex until you have experimented with this. Since the prostate is the male equivalent of the female G Spot. And it takes the same concentration, relaxation and psychology to achieve it in each case.

The above amuses me. Since it suggests that gay guys actually know more about what goes on inseide the minds of a woman during sex than most guys.

But that is for another day. I am sure I will get the predictable 'gay faggot' insults for even discussing prostate orgasms. But again - it is an open-mindedness to exploring sexuality which is probably more common outside of the US (I live in the UK).

And I wonder if that open-mindness is another offshoot of the US culture of male circumcisions.

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lol - I think Teedub hacked my account again. :-)
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(01-10-2014 12:49 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  
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(01-06-2014 08:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I never gave a fuck about validation from others. So maybe that is why I think a bit differently about this than some others on here.

Yes, you do think differently. You should reflect on this difference because it's a very basic one. It is striking to me that you do not seem to realize it.

(01-06-2014 08:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  Also - validation from women? Yuck. You do realise that most of the hot young chicks you want to bang idolize shit like Justin Bieber and One Direction? :-)

Think of the hunter analogy again. What gives validation is the hunter's ability to stalk and capture the quarry. The woman is like a wild animal that the man wishes to subdue. His ability to subdue her validates his masculinity in his own eyes and in the eyes of other men.

I'm not making a value judgment about these things -- just describing what the reality is.

It's kind of a mindfuck to me to think that some guys want to get girls just to show them off to other guys or prove how awesome of a "hunter" they are, rather than wanting to just fuck a girl on an instinctual, hindbrain level. I guess it requires a separate level of (probably subconscious) conditioning to want to have a girl for reasons other than wanting to get a nut off.

Seriously, what is there to prove? Who beyond yourself is so important that you need to show your abilities to them?


Personally, I believe that the explanation is NOT very mysterious.

There is a lot of inbred aspects of status regarding all kinds of things pertaining to wealth and property - whether in the west or in other locations.

If a guy can get a hot attractive woman to be loyal to him, then he can show her off to other guys as being his property or his possession or his regular fuck.

Surely, a problem that plays out with that obtaining and maintaining scenario, especially in the west, is that frequently, a regular or even hot guy may NOT be able to get the HOT woman b/c of competition and once gotten, the woman may be a lot of work, maintenance and in the end, the woman may NOT remain loyal. And, there is all kinds of other baggage that goes along with that.... but surely if the guy can get and maintain these girls, they are a status symbol.

Surely, also, if possible, we guys would like to be able to just fuck these hot girls or rotate them through a sort of harem, but in the west, it may be too difficult and complicated to accomplish this with hot women b/c frequently there is too much competition and these hot girls are frequently getting lots and lots of offers.

WE already know about the fat epidemic that exists for both men and women in america. Anyhow, there tends to be such a small pool of hot women in america, and that is what many guys want, so these hot women tend to take advantage of their scarcity.... and guys suffer for it (even hot guys) - b/c there is unrealistic quantities of competition for these hot and even medium girls. And, we even see fat girls who are 4s at best, acting as if they are 8s.
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Yeah - I am not involved in 'game' per se. So I can offer a perspective that is a little more honest than those who try and promote game or are obsessed with it.

And with that in mind. I just want to make one point. No matter how much 'game' you have - it is incredibly difficult getting with and banging a chick who is a '9' or a '10'. The competiton involved and the hoops you have to jump through is pretty insane.

I think it is a reality check whcih needs to be put out there from time to time. Since most of the guys who sleep with alot of women - seem to end up sleeping with 5's, 6's and 7's (with the occasional '8' if they are good) most of the time.

I am glad I am not in that race - since it is ridiculous the amount of effort (and skill and luck) involved in pulling a '9' or a '10'. Does that make me lazy? I guess. But as with anything in life - before pursuing a goal you have to make an honest evaluation of the risk/reward ratio. Along with the consideration of other strategies which come close to achieving the same thing (eg hookers).
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Interesting topic. I have serious doubts about that kind of availability but since this is not a P2P forum I will pm you.

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"Tis more blessed to give than to receive; for example, wedding presents." - H.L. Mencken
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I love being single.

And now I have a nice ditty to hum when I am drinking alone. Just in time for Valentine's Day.

Quote:"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Whiskey costs less,
Than dinner for two."
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(01-23-2014 04:38 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I love being single.

Tom Leykis agrees, no contest:





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(03-20-2013 05:12 AM)w00t Wrote:  The whole concept of "loser" is a load of rubbish anyway. Its simply a semantic tool to control men and their behaviour. Dont wanna get married? Youre a loser. Dont wanna work 40+ hours a week? Youre a loser. Dont wanna do thousands of approaches to bang mediocre chicks? Loser. Pay for prostitutes? Loser. Notice how its always men that are labelled losers and never women, no matter how much they fuck up their own lifes.

This is where the whole PU community fucks up big time aswell, as they still base their self-worth on the approval of woman and buy into the whole femcentric bullshit. Learning game is fine but if you define your own masculinity by how much approval from worthless cunts you can get, youre still a slave to pussy. You just get laid more than the normal AFC. Again theres nothing wrong with learning game but there is EVERYTHING wrong with looking down on your fellow men if they decide not to partake in this fucked up modern dating scene.

Thats what I like about MGTOW they dont give a shit and dont feel the need to constantly shame other men and manipulate their behaviour. They promote a sense of comraderie and an attitude of self-serving behaviour. If you wanna learn game and pump and dump chicks fine, go do that. If you cant be bothered and rather play video games, thats cool too. Do whats best for YOU and fuck what other ppl are trying to tell you. In PU circles its always "getting pussy is #1 priority in life and if you dont get laid or pay for it youre a loser" and thats just bullshit and ultimately playing into the womens agenda, as they control access to pussy and hence have the power of making you a loser/winner. Do you want to give woman that power over you? I know I dont so fuck this bullshit.

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That is a great quote from w00t. He has put into words something I have been struglling to throughout this thread.
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