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Moscow or second tier cities
Hello, I'm looking for a teaching job in Russia. I prefer a medium size city is compact, and not too crowded and where I can really improve Russian.( I can converse okay in Russian, but still need to improve a lot more.) Moscow is nice, plenty of rich private clients, and plenty of jobs, but language schools that sponsor visa pay the same as the second tier cities, really big and crowded and I might be placed somewhere far from the center. I mean 2nd tier, I mean cities like Krasnodar, Yekaterinburg, Nizhny Novogorod, Kazan'. I was wondering which place is the best? Moscow, might not be bad and I've got a buddy that might be able to help me there.
I was even thinking about going to Ukraine, don't need a visa there, maybe I can free lance.
03-01-2013 05:08 AM
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List your top 3 needs in order and then people can give you their input.
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(03-01-2013 05:08 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  Hello, I'm looking for a teaching job in Russia. I prefer a medium size city is compact, and not too crowded and where I can really improve Russian.( I can converse okay in Russian, but still need to improve a lot more.) Moscow is nice, plenty of rich private clients, and plenty of jobs, but language schools that sponsor visa pay the same as the second tier cities, really big and crowded and I might be placed somewhere far from the center. I mean 2nd tier, I mean cities like Krasnodar, Yekaterinburg, Nizhny Novogorod, Kazan'. I was wondering which place is the best? Moscow, might not be bad and I've got a buddy that might be able to help me there.
I was even thinking about going to Ukraine, don't need a visa there, maybe I can free lance.
Moscow was once THE playground for the Western man, but since the early 2000s, things have changed a lot.

My older brother was there to witness the rise and fall of this spectacle. He tells me the girls now come with a hefty price-tag and the ex-pat scene has become as tame as that of almost any other major European city.

If you want the so-called 'White God Effect' whereby women are reduced to goo by the mere knowledge of your ownership of a Western passport, try Yekaterinburg.

Nizhny is a bad choice as it's proximity to Moscow has led to any humans of note being sucked up by the metropolis to the west.

Only go to Kazan if your idea of a dream woman slightly resembles Tom Selleck. Blush
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My top needs: 1.a job 2. hot feminine girls not hard 3. I can improve Russian 4.friendly not so racist people
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03-05-2013 09:25 AM
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I've been heavily researching TESOL in Russia as well. My tentative plan, if I go through with the move, is to start in Moscow for CELTA training then possibly move to Siberia or stay on in Moscow for a contract position. With a McSchool contract, the pay will be lower, but I will have housing, visa arrangement, and opportunity for overtime as well as gaining experience without having the freelance/client generation issues right off the bat. I'd plan to transition into a private teacher with my own client base after a year of teaching contract, should I choose to stay. I've talked to people that have taught in Russia and have gotten very differing feedback, mostly visa related. One guy has been in Piter for 4+ years and said everyone essentially works illegally and just has tourist visas...another told me that was a bad idea and to definitely go for the work visa. I've also heard that it doesn't matter either way because teaching isn't covered under the working visa so it's a moot point. I figure I'll at least try to be as legal as possible to start, and have somewhat of a safety net through the contract school.

On location, from what I can tell, pay will be pretty much equal so it really boils down to your preference. Moscow - obviously more expense and if you have accommodation provided you'll be about an hour outside the city center. I believe provided accommodation in non-Moscow/Piter cities is less common, but perhaps your pay will be higher to assist you in paying for your own place.

My thoughts are that experiencing Moscow first and foremost could the best move. Here you'll have access to plenty of girls, expat circles should you need them, Russian language classes (most 50% off through your school), as well as the ability to experience all the culture/club scene there. From there, you can work your way further East if you wanted, and you'd have seen what the "big city" is all about (could be DHV with the Siberian girls that you lived in Moscow for a while) and you're Russian would be better (you'll need it much more in Siberia).

In Ukraine you will be paid less.

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(03-01-2013 12:14 PM)Starke Wrote:  Moscow was once THE playground for the Western man, but since the early 2000s, things have changed a lot.

My older brother was there to witness the rise and fall of this spectacle. He tells me the girls now come with a hefty price-tag and the ex-pat scene has become as tame as that of almost any other major European city.


It is not about the city as much as it's about you.

I was in Moscow in 1993 for two months as an 18 year old but because I was a naive teenager fresh out of an all boys boarding school I got jack shit pretty much.

Fast forward 20 years and despite my looks not being so youthful or having the exoticness of the 1990's I found I was plucking numbers and dates out of the air with stupid ease.

So when is a better time? For me,now,times 100.


"My top needs: 1.a job 2. hot feminine girls not hard 3. I can improve Russian 4.friendly not so racist people"

1. - Moscow

2. - Moscow

3. - Anywhere as long as you hang out with Russians and not foreigners.

4. - I'm white so can't comment but I saw mixed-race couples in Moscow. There was a black guy who had a blog about visiting Vladivostok and he was getting plenty if I recall correctly.
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(03-05-2013 10:15 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:14 PM)Starke Wrote:  Moscow was once THE playground for the Western man, but since the early 2000s, things have changed a lot.

My older brother was there to witness the rise and fall of this spectacle. He tells me the girls now come with a hefty price-tag and the ex-pat scene has become as tame as that of almost any other major European city.


It is not about the city as much as it's about you.

I was in Moscow in 1993 for two months as an 18 year old but because I was a naive teenager fresh out of an all boys boarding school I got jack shit pretty much.

Fast forward 20 years and despite my looks not being so youthful or having the exoticness of the 1990's I found I was plucking numbers and dates out of the air with stupid ease.

So when is a better time? For me,now,times 100.


"My top needs: 1.a job 2. hot feminine girls not hard 3. I can improve Russian 4.friendly not so racist people"

1. - Moscow

2. - Moscow

3. - Anywhere as long as you hang out with Russians and not foreigners.

4. - I'm white so can't comment but I saw mixed-race couples in Moscow. There was a black guy who had a blog about visiting Vladivostok and he was getting plenty if I recall correctly.

5. Also I like a place not crowded and everything including girls are next or close to where I live.
Visiting is not the same living yo. From what I've read and heard from other people, Central Asians and Africans are having it hard in Russia, but I'm not them. I imagine there is an inherent barrier if they see you(I mean if you're non-Slavic looking), but that's why it is better to speak English first, then switch to Russian. For some reason, some East Europeans will always think if you look non-western, you are non-western, and keep asking questions and makes jokes about your ethnicity.
Then again I keep asking hot girls in Europe about if they are Slavic cuz they look Slavic.
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03-05-2013 10:34 AM
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(03-05-2013 10:13 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  I've been heavily researching TESOL in Russia as well. My tentative plan, if I go through with the move, is to start in Moscow for CELTA training then possibly move to Siberia or stay on in Moscow for a contract position. With a McSchool contract, the pay will be lower, but I will have housing, visa arrangement, and opportunity for overtime as well as gaining experience without having the freelance/client generation issues right off the bat. I'd plan to transition into a private teacher with my own client base after a year of teaching contract, should I choose to stay. I've talked to people that have taught in Russia and have gotten very differing feedback, mostly visa related. One guy has been in Piter for 4+ years and said everyone essentially works illegally and just has tourist visas...another told me that was a bad idea and to definitely go for the work visa. I've also heard that it doesn't matter either way because teaching isn't covered under the working visa so it's a moot point. I figure I'll at least try to be as legal as possible to start, and have somewhat of a safety net through the contract school.

On location, from what I can tell, pay will be pretty much equal so it really boils down to your preference. Moscow - obviously more expense and if you have accommodation provided you'll be about an hour outside the city center. I believe provided accommodation in non-Moscow/Piter cities is less common, but perhaps your pay will be higher to assist you in paying for your own place.

My thoughts are that experiencing Moscow first and foremost could the best move. Here you'll have access to plenty of girls, expat circles should you need them, Russian language classes (most 50% off through your school), as well as the ability to experience all the culture/club scene there. From there, you can work your way further East if you wanted, and you'd have seen what the "big city" is all about (could be DHV with the Siberian girls that you lived in Moscow for a while) and you're Russian would be better (you'll need it much more in Siberia).

In Ukraine you will be paid less.

I don't really need Russian classes unless they are advanced/upper-intermediate, I could converse most things in Russian except for science, anything technical. I just need more practice. I just got a CELTA, it took a month to get this shit, but now I'm better at teaching. Fuck finding jobs online is such a pain in the ass, I have all the qualifications, except for a lot of experience, I still haven't got any offers.
мне нужен работа, после того есть друзья и девушки.
You get what I'm saying?
Really, job=connections=pussy, I don't have much, so no jobs means no pussy.
I'm gonna have some fun and get a nice girlfriend when I'm there. Smile
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(03-05-2013 10:34 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  5. Also I like a place not crowded and everything including girls are next or close to where I live.
Visiting is not the same living yo. From what I've read, Central Asians and Africans are having it hard in Russia, but I'm not them. I imagine there is an inherent barrier if they see you(I mean if you're non-Slavic looking), but that's why it is better to speak English first, then switch to Russian. For some reason, some East Europeans will always think if you look non-western, u are non-western, and keep asking questions and makes jokes about your ethnicity.

5. What does that even mean you want girls next door but that's not crowded? Girls are everywhere. Go live in a village if you don't want crowds.

You seem to mention that you've read shit or heard shit and that you imagine shit to be a certain way. Just go and see how you like it. You will dig it or you won't.
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(03-05-2013 10:53 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 10:34 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  5. Also I like a place not crowded and everything including girls are next or close to where I live.
Visiting is not the same living yo. From what I've read, Central Asians and Africans are having it hard in Russia, but I'm not them. I imagine there is an inherent barrier if they see you(I mean if you're non-Slavic looking), but that's why it is better to speak English first, then switch to Russian. For some reason, some East Europeans will always think if you look non-western, u are non-western, and keep asking questions and makes jokes about your ethnicity.

5. What does that even mean you want girls next door but that's not crowded? Girls are everywhere. Go live in a village if you don't want crowds.


You seem to mention that you've read shit or heard shit and that you imagine shit to be a certain way. Just go and see how you like it. You will dig it or you won't.
I mean really crowded, like 5m or more, I feel more alienated and people are less friendly and open to talk strangers.  I'm just a little worried, but I think I need to visit to see it myself, but this visa is a pain in the ass. My friend in Moscow said I would fare off better in smaller cities with more diversities like Kazan' and where there are less foreigners.
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Dude, if I don't get any responses, I'll go to Ukraine to find a job.
03-05-2013 02:50 PM
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