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RE: Seeking Arrangement game
(03-25-2019 09:29 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Sometimes I feel like writing a copy and paste letter to congressmen warning them of this site that has been used for sex trafficking and other crimes, just to fuck with Beta Cuck Fux Brandon Wade and his little biz. Use the #metoo shit against them.

He’s blaming Apple for removing the SA app saying Apple doesn’t want “successful dating” to happen. Nah, it’s becsuse they know it’s still whoredom, even if you remove arrangement from your brand name.

In writing said later I would focus on the open use of PPM's on the seeking website. Or maybe folks should just use the nuke option and report any broads above the age of 23 as PPM hookers/escorts and thin them out. Order out of chaos, I'm kidding don't use the nuke option.

Supposedly Pay Per Meat are against the Seeking website TOS but folks really need to start reporting every single one of these hookers and escort wannabes/pros. As soon they mention any PPM through messaging or during/after the meet, report their ass. Pros might have multiple accounts but tend to use similar pictures/profiles.

Remember folks, don't ever promise them anything, avoid any prepayment scam and don't listen to any sob stories about why they need you to send them money.

From the sites own blog...
Quote:If a potential sugar stands you up on a meet with no notice…report! PPM or “Pay per Meet” is strictly out of bounds on SeekingArrangement.com. If a potential Sugar suggests PPM or asks “how much for xxx??”. Report, block, & move on! -Seeking.com

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-Don't ask a woman what she wants to do.
-Never get involved with a co-worker unless you don't mind losing your job over it.
-Never spend more than $40 on a date. If possible, let her pay for everything or 50/50.
-If she doesn't bang you by the third date, Dump That Bitch (DTB).
-No spooning, cuddling, hugging, or staying over. Get in, get out!
-Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are 25+ or really ready to settle down.
-Men age like fine wine, women age like milk.
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RE: Seeking Arrangement game
Gentlemen I strongly suggest that you all acquaint yourselves with this Reddit...

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/

Then discover the magic PPM $# these ladies and especially College/Uni Coeds are encouraged to request in order to not "Be taken Advantage Of." I have personally heard these exact words from SA potential prospects a.k.a POTs in this Reddit jargon.

In Boston at least ANY request of Funds for Favors couched in terms of an allowance or otherwise is still in fact Funds for Favors so be careful if she is a hot CI or undercover female LEO you are screwed - this is why I only discuss lifestyle and trips and flat out call them out for Funds of Favors requests or PPM or P4P as flat up hookers.

My theory is that this Sugar Life Style Reddit was invaded by Backpage Pro Hos and basically shamed any non-hookers - young decent college ladies if they do not get a minimum of $400 PPM. It is on over half of that Reddit's threads so - if you gents do not want LEO troubles we all need to call out this PPM funds for favors crap for what it is FLAT OUT HOOKING and shame SA into enforcing their TOS (No P4P) to fight the Backpage Pro Hos trolling us all then SA would get back to an upscale site for successful men to meet quality sensual young ladies for LTRs or more without an expectation that you have to drop $400 on the nightstand before they open their legs.

I like to ask "What skills and personality traits do you possess that would make you one half of a successful power couple with me?"

Allows you to take back control of FRAME around your priorities and if she will be a benefit to you instead of a financial drain on you. Your role should be a Sales Manager or Senior Stock or Real Estate Broker and the young lady then has to prove to you she has got what it takes to be your protege. Anything else and you gave up control of the frame which never works out for the best ever in any relationship. My rule is if I am ever disrespected I either move on to greener more respectful pastures or if given no choice go on the attack Sun Tsu Art of War style.

Remember that on SA successful Men with their acts together are the Ultimate Prize and never forget it and when it comes to the inevitable Backpage Pro Hos if it Flies, Floats or Phocks - Rent it or forget it.

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That subreddit is golden for getting into the minds of these wacky thots and looking out for their new b.s. as they try to keep their PPM's going on/off site.

Example:
Quote:I'm an SB, I've been off SA for a year or so, and have just made a new account. What happened to the site? Now they have taken away the option to search by income, net worth, and profile text as an SB unless I upgrade to premium. I went to reply to a message on the site and it told me to check off that I understood PPM was not allowed. So is it just for guys to share dinners out and vacations? No thanks. Unless the fellow is the most charming man on the planet, that's just uncompensated emotional labor.

Sugaring has already become so mainstream that I really need whatever tools available to screen profiles online so as to not waste time with 'experience' or 'mentoring' daddies. All I want is a traditional SR with an allowance and intimacy with someone kind and respectful. Is that so much to ask, Brandon Wade? I'm really not in a position to pay for Premium, and there's no way I'm using my university email address for this (lol who the heck thought of this), so I guess I'll be investing a lot more time browsing.

You guys here seem to get it. Let's make our own site! Or make another subreddit for meets? Blegh.

Quote:I saw your age and immediately skipped down to the comments. I suspect that's how it will be for you for a lot of SBs. Keep in mind that we also sometimes filter for 35+ only because generally, younger SDs are jerks and the exact type of guys we are trying to avoid in vanilla. In terms of your pictures, flaunting your wealth may also hurt you instead of help you - it may make you seem immature and superficial. I think your best bet would be freestyling, but I do wish you the best of luck on SA, hopefully you can be someone's unicorn.

Quote:SD leased me a car and stopped paying. Now I must purchase the vehicle or turn it in and face repossession on my credit report.

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They seem to also at times post links to their own profiles for review. You guys know what to do with those hooker wannabe/pro profiles. Banana

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-Don't ask a woman what she wants to do.
-Never get involved with a co-worker unless you don't mind losing your job over it.
-Never spend more than $40 on a date. If possible, let her pay for everything or 50/50.
-If she doesn't bang you by the third date, Dump That Bitch (DTB).
-No spooning, cuddling, hugging, or staying over. Get in, get out!
-Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are 25+ or really ready to settle down.
-Men age like fine wine, women age like milk.
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(06-25-2019 10:10 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  then SA would get back to an upscale site for successful men to meet quality sensual young ladies for LTRs or more without an expectation that you have to drop $400 on the nightstand before they open their legs.

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(06-20-2019 01:44 PM)cosworth Wrote:  Love how the red pill reddit gets banned but the one on "prostitution light" is perfectly fine !
LOL, yeah, there are plenty of girls on that Reddit openly discussing doing "PPM." There's also an active thread right now discussing "hosting." Do these girls not realize that the term "to host" is right out of the prostitution glossary?

But I do think some of the guys in this thread are somewhat off-base saying the site is saturated with "pros." I have seen girls on there who look like they're straight out of Backpage, I have gotten messages like "hey daddy, would you like to have some fun with me? My standard allowance is $225 per meet." But those are very few and far between. The vast majority of girls on that site are not "pros" in the sense of earning a living by charging money for sex by the hour or by the act. They're regular college/early twenties sluts who thought they could use a little extra cash, heard about this "sugar daddy" thing, and figured they might be able to snag some older guy with money to burn who's desperate, lonely, and thirsty enough that he'll give her an "allowance" to be in a dating relationship with him. Don't get me wrong; I'm all in favor of shaming sluts and whores, I just don't think it's useful to describe such girls as "pros."

(06-19-2019 08:24 PM)JakeRoberts Wrote:  Read through allllllllllllll the pages on here, it will tell you what to do.
In fact I copy and paste girls lines I have gotten on here.
I am in a large metropolitan area, so there is an endless supply of girls on the site for me
OK, my curiosity got piqued and after being away for several months, I re-upped last night, as I'd gotten lots of likes and faves recently I couldn't respond to without paying.

One girl acted interested, video chatted with me on Snapchat, acted shocked when she saw my face pic, was giving me compliments like "OMG, why do you even need to be on that site, you're good looking? Most guys on that site are ugly!" But it was all for nought as she said she absolutely needed a guy who can make her car payment.

Another girl also acted interested; had the standard profile text mentioning only being "shown a good time," all her "looking for" tags were things like "vacations, passport-ready, fine dining," etc.; no "rent assistance" or "tuition and school support" or anything like that. Got her to switch over to text, but when she asked me what I was looking for, and I gave her the usual line about "sharing my lifestyle" and "showing her the finer things in life" rather than giving an allowance, she stopped responding.

Numerous girls who favorited me first, and whom I then sent a message to, read my message but didn't respond! I would say the single most common outcome of my sending a message to a girl on that site is that she reads it but doesn't respond. And I am also copying and pasting lines from this very thread, lines guys have said worked for them.

Guys who say they are having any success with this site whatsoever continue to mystify me.
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I know a couple of guys who kill it with SA. One of my buddies said it was easy to bang hotties on the first night without paying them and that it would be hard to go back to transitional online game or day game. Personally, I think any expectation of payment or anything money related would kill the vibe for me.
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(06-26-2019 10:08 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 10:10 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  then SA would get back to an upscale site for successful men to meet quality sensual young ladies for LTRs or more without an expectation that you have to drop $400 on the nightstand before they open their legs.

Laugh4

It takes some hard filtering out the Backpage P4P bishes but when you connect with real college talent looking for mature (Not Frat Bois) connections it can be fun - so if a hideous Nuclear Sea Beast like me can do it anyone can.

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I discovered this SB Guide on the Reddit blog and am sharing it in the entirety here as every Red Pill Man both New and Veteran needs to know how modern high SMV females are being indoctrinated not just SB banglers, because all cities are becoming very expensive to not just live but survive in - and - many many young women and especially College/Uni Coeds who are not from rich families are turning to the SB lifestyle to survive and this is the new modern comprehensive yet readable guide they all now follow...

I used to think that young women would be amenable to a mentor/upscale lifestyle sharing arrangement however that does not appear to meet their urgent imperative to pay the bills and in 2019/2020 Cash is King as they say in the SB GUIDE:

Sugar Baby's Guide to finding a Sugar Daddy
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestylef...gar_daddy/

Here is my 10 Step Program to find a SD...

Step 1: Download Google Voice & get a burner number to use online

Step 2: Create a SB profile on SEEKING.COM

Step 3: Upload good quality face and full body photos w/ form fitting clothes

Step 4: Write a great profile that showcases what makes you a good SB

Step 5: Wait for SD to message you, or take initiative & send a well written message

Step 6: Engage in meaningful conversations using more then 1 or 2 word sentences

Step 7: Share your Google Voice number with POT SD when he asks for it

Step 8: Set up a meet & greet dates to get coffee or drinks

Step 9: Dress appropriate for the venue you're meeting at

Step 10: Do not cancel or ghost & show up to the M&G on time



YOUR PHOTOS: Heres a few things not to do with your profile photos

No Photos with Snapchat Filters..!!!

No group photos

No photos with males friends or BF

No blurry photos or out of focus photos

No far away photos

No photos sticking your tongue out in a childish way

No trick photography hiding your weight or figure

Do not use old photos when you were younger or thinner

Do not use photos you use on your other social media accounts

Photos should show what your face and body look like clearly. Do not give an illusion that you are more attractive or in better shape then you really are. Its much better to look better in person then your photos, then to look better in photos and have the SD be disappointed that you catfished him.

You should have photos that show both casual dress, as well as dressed up to go out. Your photos should have form fitting clothes in your particular style of dress, that showcase your figure. There is no need to be overly provocative, but a little skin doesn't hurt. Swimsuit photos are ok to use as well, but no nudity or anything that comes off trashy.



YOUR PROFILE: Write a good SB profile that will impress an SD, and make you standout from the crowd

The ABOUT ME SECTION: Should be nothing like your tinder, bumble or match profile. It doesnt need to showcase all of your accomplishments, goals and everything you like. The about me section should really showcase the best qualities, attributes, and skill sets that make you an outstanding sugar baby, that will make a sugar daddy want to spend money on you. Plain and simple.

The SEEKING SECTION: Should clearly tell the type of sugar relationship your looking for, what types of dates you want to go on with your SD, whether they will be only indoor, or also outdoor, and should mention that intimacy will be part of it as well. You should also paint a picture of what it will be like to date you, and how will you make a SD feel to be in your presence.



COMMUNICATION:

When communicating or initiating conversations, do not just say hi or hello. SB that are successful know how to communicate in multiword sentences. When communicating, also show interest and respond with questions of your own. A good conversation is more then just a SD asking you questions, and you responding. Show some interest, and ask him questions as well.

Do not discuss money on Seeking.com, wait to do this by text or in person.

Before moving to text, establish the SD is looking for the same type of Sugar Relationship.

Once you move to text, try to set up a meet and greet within a few days

Do not text for weeks on end without meeting. You will never meet them.

Do not send nude photos until you are in a Sugar Relationship

Here are some tips to establish a good dialogue & meaningful conversation:

Reference something from his "ABOUT ME" section that you thought was interesting

Restate something from your profile that matches his "SEEKING" section

Try to lead with a simple question (but not a Yes or No Question)

Limit your questions to one or two per message

Don't use wide open questions like "what are you looking for?"

Read & respond to his messages carefully, he may have asked you more then 1 thing

Mention any time constraints you might have in responding to him in a timely manner

If you don't have time to answer his message, respond & promise you'll message him later


MEET & GREET: THINGS NOT TO DO

Do not ask to be paid to meet. SD might cover your gas or uber, but most won't pay to meet you. Your time is no more valuable then his, and you both have something to gain or lose by meeting each other.

Do not meet a SD/Man at his hotel or home on the 1st date, this will usually end up bad for you.

Do not ghost if you can't make it. Send a quick text the morning of, or the night before letting him know.

Don't turn the meet & greet into an awkward interview or negotiation.

MEET & GREET: THINGS TO DO

Be on time. SDs don't have time to wait an extra 45 minutes because you didn't plan properly

Communicate if you are running late, and give updates along the way

Dress appropriately for the venue you are meeting at (casual or dressy, etc)

Be classy, be fun and always be yourself

This is your chance to showcase your personality, & make him want to date you.

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Anybody follow that story about the college girl who went missing out in Utah? Well, they found her - dead. They arrested the man hosting the AirBnB, which wasn't hard given all the evidence from his cell phone, the Lyft driver who dropped her off, burning bodies and giving away a mattress, etc.

Oh yeah - and the news is barely mentioning that she was on Seeking Arrangement.

Quote:The search for a missing Utah college student continues as police searched the home of someone who may be connected to her sudden disappearance.

Salt Lake City police said they served a search warrant on Wednesday night at a home possibly involved in Mackenzie Lueck’s case, but declined to give further details. Police did add that residents of the home are being investigated, however.

Lueck’s parents last heard from her when she texted them around 2 a.m. on June 17 and informed them she had made it safely back to Salt Lake City on a flight. The 23-year-old then grabbed a Lyft, which she took to meet a man near Hatch Park. She did not look distressed when she got into the man’s car at around 3 a.m., the driver told police.

No one has heard from her since.

Since her disappearance, it’s been reported that the University of Utah student was dating multiple people through online dating sites and apps, The Daily Mail reported.

Lueck was a self-proclaimed “sugar baby,” according to Facebook comments published by the paper.

“Try tinder and be blunt about it. Mine says 'I want a SD/SB relationship with a real connection.' If [they] don't know what a SD/SB is, tell them bluntly sugar daddy and sugar baby. But if they don't know, they aren't really worth your time," read one of Lueck's comments, which was reportedly posted in a private Facebook group.

She also claimed to have two sugar daddies in another post.

“I have some experience on seeking arrangements, online only, tinder, and currently have two lol,” she wrote three months ago in the group.

Police said they are looking into Lueck’s social media and dating profiles.

“In regards to her online activity, we are aware of this aspect and continue to look into all facets of her life for leads into her disappearance,” Assistant Police Chief Tim Doubt said.

She didn't make much of a secret about it over Instagram either.
[Image: Screen-Shot-2019-06-29-at-8-46-09-PM.png]

More details & time line here.

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Yeah, I saw the news. He met her at the park at 3 AM. He wasn't hosting her as AirBNB (she lives in the utah dorm), he met her on SA and she was a sugar baby looking for some money from a sugar daddy. Its sad that he killed her, when it seems she was up for sex or whatever. Maybe he had some rape/murder fantasy or they got into a fight over money.
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This could be the Straw that breaks SA'a back if true she was murdered for being an SB - could have been an extreme religious type punishing her for her harlotry - biblical retribution.

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Agree, that's what I'm thinking too. They are cracking down on this already. Now, this happens. They'll never stop it completely but when a "sweet college girl" gets killed. Well...
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^ I don't think that's the first time something like that has happened and I doubt they could do much about it, just like Tinder et al.

What the Seeking website's algorithm (or mods), is clamping down on and failing miserably is the no "escort terminology" rules that can ban some folks while not others. Especially right after paying for a premium membership, thank you come again. LOL! Brandon Wade must really need all the money he can get to make his site seem like a vanilla dating site that's complying with the latest trafficking/escort laws. Cat lady

Quote:Don’t tempt fate, just move your convo to text, snap, email, smoke signals, bat signal, 2 soda cans with a string, sign language, snail mail, fax, passing notes in gym class..... anywhere but on SA. SA really doesn’t give a sh*t what’s going on, they just don’t want it to transpire directly on THEIR platform so they can’t get implicated in any wrong doing and wreck their cash cow.

Informative:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestylef...suspension
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestylef...r=on&t=all
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestylef...=new&t=all

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-Don't ask a woman what she wants to do.
-Never get involved with a co-worker unless you don't mind losing your job over it.
-Never spend more than $40 on a date. If possible, let her pay for everything or 50/50.
-If she doesn't bang you by the third date, Dump That Bitch (DTB).
-No spooning, cuddling, hugging, or staying over. Get in, get out!
-Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are 25+ or really ready to settle down.
-Men age like fine wine, women age like milk.
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Yeah, it's still the best place to meet hot college girls who are interested in a dating relationship with [dominant] older guys. Just screen out any pros, any mention of ppm, or allowance and you can easily get 10-15 good leads a week. The rest is up to you.

Stick to first date drinks and/or ice cream and you can't really go wrong. If she's a zero, just leave. If she ends up be boring or fake, you finish your drink and say you gotta get back to work. Always demand full body photos.
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(07-09-2019 05:03 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  Yeah, it's still the best place to meet hot college girls who are interested in a dating relationship with [dominant] older guys. Just screen out any pros, any mention of ppm, or allowance and you can easily get 10-15 good leads a week. The rest is up to you.

Stick to first date drinks and/or ice cream and you can't really go wrong. If she's a zero, just leave. If she ends up be boring or fake, you finish your drink and say you gotta get back to work. Always demand full body photos.
In my area, a metropolitan area of 2.5 million, if you screen out any pros, mention of ppm, or allowance, you are left with zero good leads a week.
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(07-09-2019 08:34 PM)Arcite Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:03 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  Yeah, it's still the best place to meet hot college girls who are interested in a dating relationship with [dominant] older guys. Just screen out any pros, any mention of ppm, or allowance and you can easily get 10-15 good leads a week. The rest is up to you.

Stick to first date drinks and/or ice cream and you can't really go wrong. If she's a zero, just leave. If she ends up be boring or fake, you finish your drink and say you gotta get back to work. Always demand full body photos.
In my area, a metropolitan area of 2.5 million, if you screen out any pros, mention of ppm, or allowance, you are left with zero good leads a week.

I lose about 80% from the start with out ever meeting but not all.

Even the ones that don't say anything... the last 7 dates in a row they made it clear nothing was ever happening without arrangement in place.

I don't have Donny level of game but clearly the word is out and girls are way more careful then in the past.

Every year the amount of "pro" increases. Last year I had 4 ONS in a row but those days are gone it seems like sometimes.

I would be interested in knowing if the younger better looking guys are having a easier time on SA these days?

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Which gal meets a guy for the first time at 3am.?

More to this story.

I would assume gals are getting tired of the fake millionaires.

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RE: Seeking Arrangement game
Check out excerpts from these two recent relevant threads from the Reddit. Bolding mine:

A Bit of a Rant
Quote:I’ve had THREE guys on SA in the past 24h tell me that to them, mutually beneficial is taking me out on dates and then me having sex with them after. Specifically ‘nice dinners’. I just can’t even handle these guys. Waste of time.

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I agree 100%. They also seem to think their dick game is so bomb that the sex is also a benefit for us. As if we can't get someone who doesn't need viagra to get us dinner and fuck us after.

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I’ve had the same thing happen to me. I don’t know why they think going to dinner is a mutually beneficial arrangement. I can take myself out to dinner and to high end 5 star restaurants. It’s not that serious.

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Exactly!! I might as well date vanilla at that point...

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Exactly and if I’m going to have sex with a man just for taking me to dinner, he would have to be between the ages of 20’s and early 30’s, good looking, six feet tall, with six pack abs and big dick that works well, no Viagra needed. Lol

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"I can take care of dinner and orgasms myself, thank you." Has been a favourite of mine when a dude has pretty much offered dinner in return for sleeping with him or going out on a date.

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Lol. When I was doing SW I had dudes try tell me if they do oral on me, that's doing something for me so they shouldn't have to pay

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They’re ignorant or insidious. Either they don’t know how SRs work and how it is for SBs or they do know and want to use their self-proclaimed power to control someone.

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Yup. Some may be oblivious, but you don't blindly pay $90/mo without understanding it or being so rich that $90 is throwaway money.

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Nah. Just a high sense of entitlement but that’s par for the course. Just as many faux older SD’s looking to fuck for dinner and young studly faux SD’s looking to pump and dump based on their looks.

Between all the mutually beneficial BSers and fake daddies, it takes time to sift through the flotsam.

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because sadly, there's about 1% of women on there that would consider that an arrangement.

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Wow. That’s awful. You can’t pay your bills with fancy dinners. Jerks.

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I had one of these younger guys on there tell me specifically that "1/4 of the women on SA (notice he put SA, not Seeking) are not looking for a financial arrangement.". That was after I asked him why he was on Seeking if he was only "looking to meet interesting, fun, new people". I told him he should be on Tinder or Match. I was tempted to post about it but figured I would wait. 2 birds, one stone, thanks OP.

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yeah I hear ya...this is a result of the site becoming more "mainstream"...I would be curious to know if this is also at least in part due to how the site may be advertised...be interesting to know if anyone has any input on that

I believe that the way its being marketed about 3/4 of the people who are now joining have no clue of what a SR even is.

Wow...that is unfortunate...for the veterans (of the site) but good to know

And then this one, 3 POTs in a row now, same bullshit.
Quote:So at least 3 times this week, at various stages in the conversation or at a MG POTs told me that their end of the arrangement is to provide me with their company/sexuality. One even said he might splurge for dinner afterwards if the sex was good at his hotel room, he was referring to the M&G. ? Another guy told me he is just looking for a girlfriend and women on SA seem more open to discuss the sex terms of the relationship before it begins and he wants a girlfriend who puts out daily. Yet another told me he would never pay for sex or give allowance and that its well known that SA is the same as Adult Friend Finder, FWB.

WTF?

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When they dropped Arrangement from Seeking Arrangement... And dropped the allowance budget section... This nonsense was bound to happen. I'm an SD... Bad enough we have scammers, now we have ignorant Bros who couldn't score with tinder wasting SB time... New users still have to choose Sugar Baby or Sugar Daddy in the beginning, don't they? Are these guys just ignorant?

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I'm not entirely sure most of these guys don't know exactly what they're doing. Maybe the red pillers have been telling each other "it's Seeking now! You can manipulate the women and claim the site is on your side, and be right". Just like the toxic SB sites exchange all kinds of horrible manipulation advice, the PUA and redpill sites do also.

For all the dislike for the question, "what are you looking for in an arrangement?", it does provide a smooth opening to exchanging some keywords. Does he object to the word "arrangement"? When you say, "I'm looking for amazing chemistry, great dates with food, drinks, adventure, and allowance", does he balk? Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're ok saying the word "allowance" in that sentence -- just don't discuss and details until you're off the site

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Red Pillers that use Seeking aren’t telling women they’re looking for a GF nor do most lie outright and say they will give an allowance. They try to,make themselves appear wealthy and try to trick women into sleeping with them, by implying that they will take care of them and share their wealth if they hang around, never any promises.

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I do a ton of talking and vetting before a meet and greet, sadly some of these guys think they can change things once they get you in person.
Notice the awareness of, and warnings about, things that have been specifically discussed in this thread: guys essentially just letting the girl assume he's going to be a "sugar daddy," and getting the bang on that basis.

The sense of entitlement is clear. These girls consider guys who aren't there to pay them fakes and interlopers, and "manipulative."

And don't you just love the idea that if you're so "rich" that $90/mo is throwaway money, you should have no problem paying for a sugar baby? $90/mo is pretty much throwaway money for me, but you can't put a dollar value on the massive, soul-crushing, devastating blow to my ego that is the idea that I can't get laid with a decent-looking under-30 girl without paying her for it.

Also their mentions of Viagra, and how they can easily get sex from a Chad their own age with six-pack abs, tell you all you need to know about what they really think of older guys. So much for girls who just have daddy issues or a genuine thing for older guys.
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I don't know if it's just me or what's going on with me but I feel burned out/bitter about SA.

I joined to see what was new. However, it has gone more downhill than the last time (and ever time it was gotten worse):

- Way more trailer trash and fat Shaniquas thinking they can get a daddy
- A bunch of third world filipinas filling my inbox with requests to be my sugar baby despite being thousands of miles away.
- Girls jump into asking for money on the first text
- Girls asking for online or "non physical" arrangements
- Flaking through the roof
- Girls asking for money right at the last minute. This 18 year old Colombian wanted to meet despite me being aloof, when i finally accepted...she asked "200 because other men have wasted my time in coffee meet ups"
- Forums teaching these girls the ropes have gone up.
- Girls are getting banned for their prostitute-like behaviors and creating new profiles.
- Girls creating new profiles because they know men want newbies, not used up girls. You hit them up and you soon realize they know the ropes better than you.

Yeah, if you screen you can get some pussy but screening takes way too much time nowadays. To me, the ROI is not there anymore......more work for shittier quality.

P.S - I think I feel this way because I'm in a city of 600K people in middle america. I remember having a shit ton of fun in Houston, 1000+ 18-21 year olds registered in the past month. Where I'm at? 200 18-21 girls in the past month and they look bad. Maybe 600 women of all ages in my area have signed up in the past month.

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(07-12-2019 05:50 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I don't know if it's just me or what's going on with me but I feel burned out/bitter about SA.

I joined to see what was new. However, it has gone more downhill than the last time (and ever time it was gotten worse):

- Way more trailer trash and fat Shaniquas thinking they can get a daddy
- A bunch of third world filipinas filling my inbox with requests to be my sugar baby despite being thousands of miles away.
- Girls jump into asking for money on the first text
- Girls asking for online or "non physical" arrangements
- Flaking through the roof
- Girls asking for money right at the last minute. This 18 year old Colombian wanted to meet despite me being aloof, when i finally accepted...she asked "200 because other men have wasted my time in coffee meet ups"
- Forums teaching these girls the ropes have gone up.
- Girls are getting banned for their prostitute-like behaviors and creating new profiles.
- Girls creating new profiles because they know men want newbies, not used up girls. You hit them up and you soon realize they know the ropes better than you.

Yeah, if you screen you can get some pussy but screening takes way too much time nowadays. To me, the ROI is not there anymore......more work for shittier quality.

P.S - I think I feel this way because I'm in a city of 600K people in middle america. I remember having a shit ton of fun in Houston, 1000+ 18-21 year olds registered in the past month. Where I'm at? 200 18-21 girls in the past month and they look bad. Maybe 600 women of all ages in my area have signed up in the past month.

Its a shell of its former self. Its sad, but we knew it woudnt go on forever. Far more guys, far less girls, and enough thirsty guys throwing around cash that unless you do that you are playing from behind. I havent really had a good experience on there in a while, and have been getting flaked on more then ever. I've actually had better luck on the other dating apps recently and thats never happened in my 3 years on SA.
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RE: Seeking Arrangement game
(07-12-2019 05:50 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I don't know if it's just me or what's going on with me but I feel burned out/bitter about SA.

I joined to see what was new. However, it has gone more downhill than the last time (and ever time it was gotten worse):

- Way more trailer trash and fat Shaniquas thinking they can get a daddy
- A bunch of third world filipinas filling my inbox with requests to be my sugar baby despite being thousands of miles away.
- Girls jump into asking for money on the first text
- Girls asking for online or "non physical" arrangements
- Flaking through the roof
- Girls asking for money right at the last minute. This 18 year old Colombian wanted to meet despite me being aloof, when i finally accepted...she asked "200 because other men have wasted my time in coffee meet ups"
- Forums teaching these girls the ropes have gone up.
- Girls are getting banned for their prostitute-like behaviors and creating new profiles.
- Girls creating new profiles because they know men want newbies, not used up girls. You hit them up and you soon realize they know the ropes better than you.

Yeah, if you screen you can get some pussy but screening takes way too much time nowadays. To me, the ROI is not there anymore......more work for shittier quality.

P.S - I think I feel this way because I'm in a city of 600K people in middle america. I remember having a shit ton of fun in Houston, 1000+ 18-21 year olds registered in the past month. Where I'm at? 200 18-21 girls in the past month and they look bad. Maybe 600 women of all ages in my area have signed up in the past month.

Same here. I keep letting my subscription lapse, then after a few months, get curious again and resubscribe. And every time I resubscribe, it's worse than the time before.
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