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Below are a couple of articles that describe a considerable amount of bitcoin seed money - that seems to be heads and shoulders higher than previous bitcoin related investments. 1.5 Billion is a lot of money, and it seems that the total investments in bitcoin up until today, are only about that amount in total, so doubling investments into bitcoin seems to be a big WOW!!



Andreessen Horowitz’s Recent $1.5B Round Could Be Big for Bitcoin.


https://news.bitcoin.com/horowitz-capita...s-bitcoin/

- and another variation of the news

http://fortune.com/2016/06/10/andreessen...-new-fund/

It's gonna be interesting to see where this money goes, new start ups or existing businesses?
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(06-12-2016 04:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I promised myself I was going to sell off at 650about 5 mos ago but I didn't.


El Mech:

$725 may have been a good exit point? hahahahaha...

I have a feeling that we will be returning to prices higher than $725 in the coming week or so, but yeah, you can never know for sure with bitcoin, if we are going to get stuck in some price suppression for an extended period of time.
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(06-13-2016 03:18 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(06-12-2016 04:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I promised myself I was going to sell off at 650about 5 mos ago but I didn't.


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$725 may have been a good exit point? hahahahaha...

I have a feeling that we will be returning to prices higher than $725 in the coming week or so, but yeah, you can never know for sure with bitcoin, if we are going to get stuck in some price suppression for an extended period of time.

Fuck it I'm just going to let it ride to the moon or to 0.
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(06-13-2016 03:47 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 03:18 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(06-12-2016 04:25 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I promised myself I was going to sell off at 650about 5 mos ago but I didn't.


El Mech:

$725 may have been a good exit point? hahahahaha...

I have a feeling that we will be returning to prices higher than $725 in the coming week or so, but yeah, you can never know for sure with bitcoin, if we are going to get stuck in some price suppression for an extended period of time.

Fuck it I'm just going to let it ride to the moon or to 0.


That's more or less what my mom said, without the "fuck it" part.


I pretty much got my mom to buy some at $375, and then we experienced nearly a year of down market, which was not really too good for my credibility. During that time she picked up a few more coins, and she figured out some ways to trade. She gained some and she lost some with her trading ventures, and then I think that she pretty much gave up on attempting any trading. She said that it was too time consuming, and wasn't really paying off for her.

Nonetheless, I kept pestering her about coming up with a general plan for what she was going to do at various theoretical price points, and frequently, she would make denigrating comments about my bullish views, but probably some of it was sinking in because she continued to HODL and not SODL. She pretty much said that she was going to play it by ear.

I think that her average price is in the mid $300s, and she has quite a few coins, but not really any major investment that she would go starving if BTC were to go to zero.. I think less than $10k...

At some price points, there may be some clear signal to shed a few coins (or maybe all of it?).. but I don't think that we are near that point yet.

I am pretty much still of the belief that we could experience some considerable price corrections in the $600 to $850 price arena, but once we make it significantly in the $800s, depending upon how long it takes to happen, we are likely going to shoot to the $3k to $5k arena... but yeah, I may need to adjust my thinking too, and we have to see how it plays out.
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You should've cashed her out at 7 you'd be a hero.
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(06-13-2016 04:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  You should've cashed her out at 7 you'd be a hero.



Probably, we have to look in retrospect about whether we made a good choice?

My girlfriend is more inclined towards trading, and she is constantly cashing out with small profits and then buying in again.

Sure she is making profits, but those profits seem to be a lot less than if she had just accumulated coins.

I try to share my method with her, but she is stubborn as fuck, mostly. From time to time, she comes around a little bit, but overall, she seems to have some faulty thinking and/or assumptions that are difficult to shake. Maybe I need to grab her by the shoulders and shake until she agrees to comply? Drastic times call for drastic measures, but it is her money, so why should I give any fucks besides repeating I told you so on an ongoing basis?
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RE: The Bitcoin thread
This article describes five reasons why bitcoin's price went to $700 over the weekend.


Seems to be a decent summary - apart from the additional fact that bitcoin's price had been intensively suppressed for more than a year.


http://www.coindesk.com/five-factors-dri...ce-demand/
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How are you purchasing bitcoin, JJG? I only knew how using coinbase and have been storing it there, but I appreciate the heads up about the blockchain.info wallet... just set one up. +1
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Seriously you should keep your mother and girlfriend out of your bitcointradings.
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(06-13-2016 11:30 PM)booshala Wrote:  How are you purchasing bitcoin, JJG? I only knew how using coinbase and have been storing it there, but I appreciate the heads up about the blockchain.info wallet... just set one up. +1

Thanks for the plus 1, booshala.

Even though I have been buying bitcoins for more than 2 years, I am still learning about new various bitcoin related services. Initially, I just bought and accumulated BTC, and I did not do much of anything else such as trade or sell to people, but with the passage of time, more opportunities presented themselves.

I will describe various bitcoin services that I currently am using.

1) Local bitcoins - I bought my very first 1.24 bitcoins through this service in November 2013, and I did not use it very much again until starting in about October 2015. In October, I created both buy and sell ads, and I have communicated with various potential customers through those ads, and made about 15 trades (a few more potential sales fell through, sometimes because of my screening and they want to go outside the ad before I have even met them). To partly protect myself, my ads on local bitcoins also states that I will not sell bitcoins to anyone who either tells me about illegal activities or somehow appears to be engaged in illegal activities. Local bitcoins charges a 1% fee for any actual trade that goes through their service, and once I set up a relationship through local bitcoins by conducting at least one trade through local bitcoins, I will inform the buyer that I will sell BTC directly to them in-person in the future, and give them a better rate than local bitcoins (they just need to text me before we do the trade in order to set up a time and place) and I do those direct trades through my blockchain.info wallet.

2) BTC e - I set up an account with them in November 2013. I do not send dollars to them, but sometimes I trade BTC/USD with them and some other coins (though I stopped trading the other coins). Their BTC price is usually a bit lower than many other exchanges or services, and sometimes there may be some arbitrage opportunities by keeping some money there.

3) Coinbase - I acquired almost all of my coins through them from about December 2013 until about October 2014, and then after October 2014, I started to acquire BTC mostly through Circle unless Coinbase had a cheaper rate for some reason.. kind of luck of the draw timing, sometimes. In about October 2015, I set up coinbase exchange account, too that has been rebranded as GDAX. from time to time I trade on that GDAX exchange.. and there may also be arbitrage opportunities by keeping some money there.

4) Blockchain - I first set up a wallet on this in early 2014, and I did not use it very much, but I was told that it was good to have such a wallet just in case I was out somewhere and I wanted to engage in direct bitcoin transactions with a merchant or a private person. Starting in October or November 2015, my blockchain.info wallet began to become very handy for persons that I was directly selling bitcoins (and most of them I had met initially through Local bitcoins and agreed to take our trades directly and therefore without fees), and of course it was easy to access my blockchain.info wallet on my Iphone because they have a nice and easy to use Iphone app. You can also hide some of your bitcoins within your wallet by creating additional addresses and archiving those addresses. I actually have become an advocate of frequently changing addresses, and I recommend the same to people that I send coins... there is likely a bit more privacy and less traceability by changing addresses frequently (and not that I am engaging in illegal activities because I prefer to have privacy)

5) Circle - I mostly acquired from them between about October 2014 and November 2015.. and they tended to be a bit cheaper than Coinbase (but not always). Currently, sometimes I will sell through them because of some arbitrage opportunities.

6) Uphold - I set up an account with them in October 2015, and then in about December 2015, they began to allow up to $3000 per week in free bank ACH transfers (takes a week to arrive with them). They have some fees for some of their trading services, but the USD/BTC trading is free, so you can kind of monitor the price changes of BTC/Dollar in order to time it and get good deals converting small or large amounts of BTC back and forth from dollars to BTC and vice versa. The converting from BTC to USD and vice versa is manual, which can be a bit of a hassle. They recently implemented a 5 BTC per month free withdrawal limit, and you have to pay .5% for amounts over 5 BTC per month.

7) Gemini - I set up an account with them in about October 2015, and then I did a few trades in which one of my trades was reversed. I was sort of pissed off about the reversal of that trade, and I was going to boycott them because of that decision, but then in about March 2016, I went back to using their services mostly because I found out that they allow up to $2,500 per week in free ACH transfers, and instant ability to use the transferred funds to buy BTC which can cause some good buying opportunities. You gotta be careful though because if you convert your dollars to BTC before the ACH clears (which takes a week to clear) they will not allow you to withdraw any BTC or dollars until you have at least a sufficient amount of dollars balance in your account to cover all pending ACH transfer amounts. It is not any kind of deal breaker but just a bit of something that you have to keep track of in case you want to make a withdrawal of either BTC or dollars.

8) Bitstamp - Only in the past couple of months did I set up an account for them. I do not send dollars to them, only BTC, and partly I was getting frustrated with Uphold who's price is pegged on Bitstamp because sometime Uphold's price would not move enough, and I thought that sometimes I may be able to get better deals on Bitstamp, and also to set up some automatic trades on Bitstamp, which is not possible on Uphold.

9) Bitfinex - Only in about the past couple of months did I set up an account for them. I do not send dollars to them, only BTC. I saw a large number of arbitrage opportunities, so I wanted to have an account, just in case. They have a lot of options to margin trade and to short BTC, and so far, I am not that kind of a trader. Maybe at some future date, I may try a few things such as margin trading or shorting or even placing stop losses, but these more sophisticated trading options are not currently in my interests.


I think that is mostly it for what kinds of services I have been using in the bitcoin space for various reasons that I described above. If you have some specific questions or experiences regarding any of these bitcoin related services or others, then let me know. I may be able to elaborate at least in terms of what I have attempted or accomplished.
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(06-13-2016 11:33 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  Seriously you should keep your mother and girlfriend out of your bitcointradings.


Well, I am getting to be a bit of an old foggie, so I may be set in my ways in some regards. In that regard, I think that I know myself, my mom and my girlfriend sufficiently well enough in order to make decisions regarding how much information to share with them and the extent to which I want to involve them with my bitcoin activities, to share information and/or to teach them, to the extent that they are interested in bitcoin.

Yes, there are pluses and minuses with any of these kinds of decisions to involve persons in finances, and actually, in respect to my sharing anything about bitcoin in the real world, in my first many months of investing into bitcoin, I did not really share too much about bitcoin with people in real life. However, later the topic of bitcoin came up more and more with people in real life (besides participating in various bitcoin discussion threads online), which yep, these discussions included my mom and my girlfriend.

With anyone in the real world, too, there can be questions or concerns to which you share very many details about your personal financial circumstances, and there are ways to be selective or to be non-specific regarding what you say to them about private matters or get into their private matters.

Starting in about mid-2014, I discontinued telling people on the internet how many bitcoins I had purchased, and thereafter, I would frequently not say the amount or I would mostly work in percentages in order to discuss various points. Sometimes, when a number seemed relevant in order to make some point(s), I began to use 100 BTC as a nice round hypothetical number in order to attempt to make my point(s) - although sometimes, maybe we could use 10 BTC as a nice round number, too, just to make certain points.
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Buying anywhere in the $600s is probably not a bad entry point for BTC newbies for the coming months.

Sure, we could go to $580 or so, but the trend definitely seems up, and even going into the lower $600s, such as in the $620s doesn't seem too likely in the near term.

In other words, I personally believe that it is more likely from this price point (in the $680s) that we hit $750 before we hit $610... then that would be the price arena for the big test in the $750 to $850 price range. If we go above $850, it is likely all over BAAAAAAMMMM... $3k plus... On the other hand, after entering into the $750 to $850 range, we could have a bit of a hard-fought price battle, and then sub $600 prices could then again become reasonable expectations, that is if the bears win that battle in the short run (which is not an unreasonable proposition)..

I think that a lot of us longer term BTC holders are feeling fairly good at the moment in this upper $600 prices (having had seen $725 in the past 48 hours), so no matter which way this BTC price thing goes. In other words, longer term holders, should be able to take some profits in this current price range (if we were to want to), while still having some potential abilities to stack up some MOAR bitcoins in order to prepare for the reasonably feasible (but not guaranteed) path upwards.
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This retirement fund called Bitcoin IRA seems to be similar to GBTC, but it is claiming to be different.


https://ihb.io/2016-06-14/news/bitcoin-c...lans-28358

In any event, no matter what the distinction, if there are more investment vehicles (including tax deferrable vehicles) will cause more demand for BTC and possibly even a bit more HODLing of BTC.
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Tracking some of the Localbitcoin happenings (meaning volume) can be an indicator of expanded attempts to purchase BTC in various countries.

https://razorsforex.blogspot.com.eg/2016...china.html

This above linked article mentions:
"Record LocalBitcoins Volumes in China, Kenya and Pakistan"
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God damn Jay.

I'd like to turn my coins into physical at this point. Ho do I do this?

I'm typing on a lenovo laptop so I'll sell two or three to update that.
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(06-14-2016 06:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  God damn Jay.

I'd like to turn my coins into physical at this point. Ho do I do this?

I'm typing on a lenovo laptop so I'll sell two or three to update that.


Seems like you bought a bike a year or two ago, too... so you have just as good of ideas as me how to convert your bitcoin's into physical things.

I am attempting to exercise a form of deferred gratification in respect to my coins.

Currently my bitcoin portfolio is approximately 92.3% bitcoin and 7.7% fiat.


Regarding getting other physical things, I usually use fiat for those kinds of objectives, but I am not necessarily afraid to support bitcoin services or bitcoin businesses - even though it may be a bit more complicated on the paperwork because i tend to attempt to replace any bitcoins that I spend within a reasonably soon period of time.
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(06-14-2016 06:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  God damn Jay.

I'd like to turn my coins into physical at this point. Ho do I do this?

I'm typing on a lenovo laptop so I'll sell two or three to update that.

Don't sell el mech! Bitcoin is just getting started.
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Interesting thing regarding the diversity of governmental bodies, and even if one governmental body may be working against bitcoin (whether overtly or covertly), other governmental bodies may be working in favor of bitcoin...

In the end, who the fuck is going to win...? hahahaha ... we likely realize that even though there may be some battling and attempts at dividing and conquering in the bitcoin space.. there is something that is difficult to stop about bitcoin, and smart people realize that bitcoin is people empowering.. in spite of what of the negative propaganda may attempt to embed into public consciousness.

This a blurb about IMF assessment (they probably did not clear this assertion with American banks.. hahaha).

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-says-bitcoin...elp-banks/
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Profit from the Brexit through bitcoin...


http://seekingalpha.com/article/3982134-...ing-brexit

The opinions contained herein, whether in the link or my text, should not be construed as investment advice.. and you guys gotta take into account your own financial situations and risk assessments. I'm only brainstorming, here. Blush
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The below attached article is interesting and funny, and will put some moderation on our bullishness.

The article asserts that bitcoin's performance has been quite decent in the past year, and we all know that. Additionally, it asserts that bitcoin's market cap may well go up to $50 billion by 2036...

hahahahahaha

We gotta wait 20 years for a 5x increase in bitcoin's market cap... That's still a bit better performance than index funds that will possibly deliver around a 3x increase in such a time frame. Still an interesting read.


News URL : http://seekingalpha.com/article/3982263-...nt-year-go
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This mainstream article (yeah Reuters) makes some interesting points.

http://www.reuters.com/article/markets-b...SL8N1982E6

They do seems to get it wrong, a little bit in their attempt to suggest that the demand for bitcoin is coming from china based on some 95% assertion.... laughable, but part of mainstream analysis in getting some details wrong.
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So I decided to take action after reading through many posts here. Bought a couple hundred dollars worth of Bitcoin via Coinbase at around $686 per coin. In 24 hours it's already trading at $768!

From the short time I've been following BitCoin it seems to be quite volatile, so I'm viewing this 10%+ jump skeptically. I plan on holding it long-term anyway and not doing short-term trading so not a big deal.

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(06-16-2016 04:03 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  So I decided to take action after reading through many posts here. Bought a couple hundred dollars worth of Bitcoin via Coinbase at around $686 per coin. In 24 hours it's already trading at $768!

From the short time I've been following BitCoin it seems to be quite volatile, so I'm viewing this 10%+ jump skeptically. I plan on holding it long-term anyway and not doing short-term trading so not a big deal.

Yep... surely there are no guarantees, and at least you have a bit of stake in the game, and you can possibly attempt to study the matter, and figure out how you want to proceed, whether that is buying on dips and accumulating or selling in part or all. There are a variety of approaches that you have to tailor to your situation and views.
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Also starting to buy into bitcoin via coinbase, but there is a limit on debit card transactions and the bank transfer seems quite hard to set up.

Are there any other exchanges that offer larger limits on debit transactions? I was buying in at the high 500's and now its in the low 700's so kinda missed my chance to buy 4-5 coins early on when it was cheaper.
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(06-16-2016 04:31 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  Also starting to buy into bitcoin via coinbase, but there is a limit on debit card transactions and the bank transfer seems quite hard to set up.

Are there any other exchanges that offer larger limits on debit transactions? I was buying in at the high 500's and now its in the low 700's so kinda missed my chance to buy 4-5 coins early on when it was cheaper.


Coinbase has a fairly decent limit as compared to the rest, but sometimes you can set up multiple accounts in order that you have more abilities to buy, once you hit the limit on Coinbase. As I stated above, I use Circle, Gemini and Uphold for these purpose of acquiring new coins, and they each have their upsides and downsides, which also includes taking some time just to get the accounts set up.
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