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I still have Litecoin, BTC cash, BTC and ethereum in my portfolio. I'm thinking to sell all my Litecoins and reinvest them in eth and btc cash, Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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I wouldn't bother with BCH, certainly not at the expense of LTC. If you want to expand your portfolio check out BAT, but otherwise I think you'll do well long-term sticking to BTC/ETH/LTC and maybe XRP/XLM.

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(06-26-2019 05:38 AM)Rocky964 Wrote:  Guys, i dont understand a thing abbout bitcoin. Lately i have been reading articles which state that the new era of billionaires is from the people opening up bitcoin stock exchanges, bitcoin machines, etc. From where to understand all about bitcoin..... Is it only meant for ultra high net worth individuals, or for upper middle class people also?

You can buy whatever amount of bitcoin that you want... such as $5 a day.

There is a lot of misleading information out there, so don't get distracted by misinformation.

Dollar cost averaging is a strategy that is likely to pay off in the longer term, especially if you have a few years to play it out... even though there could be a lot of BTC price appreciation in the coming year or two.

You can study as you invest.. and also get your own house in order slo that you don't engage in too much ill-informed gambling behaviors.
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(06-26-2019 06:26 AM)Jaydublin Wrote:  ^^ Yes it is that difficult to mine these days. This isn't the place to learn to mine. I recommend doing a google search and will find a community that knows more about it. There may be some other coins you can mine with a bit more success but who knows.

"Who knows" and who cares.

Burner already gave the low down, punchline about the general waste of time of mining, especially if some guy does not know what the fuck he is doing, and is asking here about how to do it.

On the other hand, if a guy were to treat mining as a learning vehicle, and did not necessarily put all of his eggs in that basket or have too many high expectations about either its pay off, then quite a few people have gotten into mining as a way to learn more about bitcoin and the whole crypto space - but such a guy should be a kind of self-starter and a self-learner and able to figure things out, rather than asking guys like us who, largely, could give two shits about mining in terms of either profitability or false expectations that it is either easy money or a "hustle," especially these days with the hundreds of millions of dollars being invested by others (and institutions) into mining... and they might also not end up with profits from their large investments.
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(06-26-2019 07:22 AM)SergioRamos Wrote:  I'm not going into it but I would like to learn about it. I've just know so far that electricity bill goes up really quickly once they start mining.

You come off as a troll... .moving the goal posts, too.

First of all you imply that you are interested in a hustle, now you are just interested for academic reasons.


Even your earlier framing of the matter seems to suggest that mining is some kind of a shenanigans, when it is not. Legitimate folks go into mining, and sure there are shady people in any industry, but it would not be fair to lump all bitcoin miners (whether individuals or companies) into such a category. Furthermore, there are a decent number of bitcoin naysayers, including dumbasses in the ethereum camp who get on their social justice warrior high horse about supposed (and alleged) inefficiencies of mining.. .blah blah blah.. in order to pump their own nonsense.

Mining, in bitcoin, is a very innovative concept that facilitates proof of work, and is one of the key incentive components around bitcoin to make it secure, decentralized, immutable.. and just the beast that it is (and going to further evolve into).. so trying to poo poo mining as some kind of scam or some kind of thing to study as being energy inefficient or some of those other nonsense talking points comes off as ill-informed at best, so maybe go study in like-minded circles.. look up some of the mining related threads on bitcointalk.org or even r/bitcoin on reddit. Then come back and teach us something about it that we don't already know, and many guys here are not even into it... but it is a fair topic for this thread, for sure... as long as you at least attempt to come at it from an informed angle rather than just superficial or switching goalpost talking points.
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I've your message 3 times, I've understood nothing except going to reddit bitcoin for more info. So, I'll go there and read some now.
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(06-26-2019 02:14 PM)SergioRamos Wrote:  I've your message 3 times, I've understood nothing except going to reddit bitcoin for more info. So, I'll go there and read some now.

Ultimately you can do what you want, but I had suggested that you should be a kind of self-starter and a self-learner to get into bitcoin mining anyhow, and I am sure quite a few guys here would agree with that idea.. Anyhow, any self-starter or self-learner, to the extent that he is willing to share, should be able to ask pretty damned informed questions, here, and likely would be able to teach guys who follow this thread a thing or two about bitcoin mining... and hopefully, you are able to get to that kind of a level at some point.. whether it is through reddit or other bitcoin mining (or related) information sources that you find.
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RE: The Bitcoin (BTC) thread
This recent run was pure manipulation. The whales had their fun at the 13k mark and it crashed down over 1.5k in literally 15mins last night.

A lot of people got FOMO, joined the run and are now getting rekked.
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(06-27-2019 05:12 AM)Redcrus Wrote:  This recent run was pure manipulation. The whales had their fun at the 13k mark and it crashed down over 1.5k in literally 15mins last night.

A lot of people got FOMO, joined the run and are now getting rekked.

Yep. I was one of those people.

Made a few thousand $$ in a matter of a few hours. Then I had an open trade with a stop loss (Market not limit) and due to "overloading" and "slippage" on Bitmex I got liquidated.
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(06-27-2019 05:12 AM)Redcrus Wrote:  This recent run was pure manipulation. The whales had their fun at the 13k mark and it crashed down over 1.5k in literally 15mins last night.

A lot of people got FOMO, joined the run and are now getting rekked.

You are less likely to FOMO if you create a plan in advance and attempt to follow the plan, so when pump periods like this happen, you are already largely in and ahead of the game.

It's NOT like I have not been suggesting dollar cost averaging since 2013/14 in this thread, so even if there are periods of manipulation dollar cost averaging works out pretty good.

Admittedly, guys are going to be in a worse situation if they are just finding out about bitcoin during such a pump and then making their decision to start investing during such a period, so in those cases, usually they just need to be able to have a longer investment timeline in order to have decent likelihood of profiting in the long run as long as they accumulate over time and do not attempt to gamble too much with their strategies.
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if it doesn't bounce off 10k i'm looking at a more pessimistic 8.5k level. My dad literally called me at 4AM and told me to sell 60% of stack at 12500 levels. Turned out he was right lol (keep in mind he doesn't know anything about TA, just going off the feels).
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RE: The Bitcoin (BTC) thread
Have any US people used bitcoin IRA here? It just dawned on me to keep kosher, why not invest in a roth and rock this out ...

the only downside would be tax rule changes across the board for IRAs ... which is possible, but still less likely

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I've finallllllllly got my first real job after being unemployed for 32 years, so I was hoping BTC would stay low a bit longer.

Where's the 'Chicken Little' fake news when I need it?
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(06-28-2019 08:04 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Have any US people used bitcoin IRA here? It just dawned on me to keep kosher, why not invest in a roth and rock this out ...

the only downside would be tax rule changes across the board for IRAs ... which is possible, but still less likely

I think that it is o.k. to use various tax deferred investment vehicles to buy bitcoin if that is what is available to you.

There is an additional advantage of also having your own stash on the side, which does not have to be a large amount, but just some kind of stash that you completely control and you can use without asking anyone and don't have to jump through any hoops in the event that you really need some of it.
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(06-28-2019 09:42 PM)Hephaestus Wrote:  I've finallllllllly got my first real job after being unemployed for 32 years, so I was hoping BTC would stay low a bit longer.

Where's the 'Chicken Little' fake news when I need it?

You are actually not late. There's roughly 2 years of bull cycle left from the looks of it. People are eyeing a conservative 50-100k USD BTC in that time. Might even reach that next June if the stars align. I can only imagine what the major altcoin prices will be like. It's not going to be easy balancing your investments with daily expenses but I still think it's a good idea in this space now instead of contemplating it for later.
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(06-27-2019 11:09 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  if it doesn't bounce off 10k i'm looking at a more pessimistic 8.5k level. My dad literally called me at 4AM and told me to sell 60% of stack at 12500 levels. Turned out he was right lol (keep in mind he doesn't know anything about TA, just going off the feels).

He's right in the sense that he is right as a panicked retailer. The alternative would just be to buy and hold for 2-5 years and make the big gains and stop worrying it day to day.
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(06-29-2019 05:34 AM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:09 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  if it doesn't bounce off 10k i'm looking at a more pessimistic 8.5k level. My dad literally called me at 4AM and told me to sell 60% of stack at 12500 levels. Turned out he was right lol (keep in mind he doesn't know anything about TA, just going off the feels).

He's right in the sense that he is right as a panicked retailer. The alternative would just be to buy and hold for 2-5 years and make the big gains and stop worrying it day to day.

Sure ultimately guys have to balance what works for them and their cashflow, yet there still could be some advantage to playing BIG.

I personally don't recommend playing BIG, even though sometimes such a strategy could work. I think that taking a decent stake from the beginning can be good and then just dollar cost averaging and buying on dips. Of course, if the price keeps going up and then crashing, then the dollar cost averaging could seem expensive on the dip, or even after the dip, so it is not easy to balance until a guy at least gets the sense that he has a decent stake, which could take a while to accomplish, if attempting to do so prudently, which if the price is very likely to go up, then front loading is good and then shaving a bit off at various points as the price goes up.
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For the moment the strategy proposed by JJG of DCA has been by far the best for Bitcoin, even for the guys who started buying the top.
At some point I am pretty sure that the alts season will start, but not before BTC hitting 20k.
In the meantime, 10 months left to the halving.
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(06-29-2019 01:01 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  For the moment the strategy proposed by JJG of DCA has been by far the best for Bitcoin, even for the guys who started buying the top.
At some point I am pretty sure that the alts season will start, but not before BTC hitting 20k.
In the meantime, 10 months left to the halving.

I am a pretty radical believer that dollar cost averaging remains a very good strategy for BTC, but I would not want to leave any impression with anyone that buying into alts in any kind of way is anything more than gambling or that there is any kind of pattern in they pump in comparison to bitcoin or that the pumping of alts or attempting to time that is sufficiently relevant to this thread (in other words, seems to be a BIG distraction to be considering the extent to which one alt or another or if all of them will pump relative to bitcoin).
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The crypto bull markets have trended with either both going up at the same time, or alts lagging Bitcoin, often taking it in turns to rally.

From 2019: Bitcoin vs. alts

[Image: 2019.png]

There is a general pattern of coins getting pumped inverse by market cap. As you get down towards coins around and below 175+ in market cap rank, they often have gone nowhere or only doubled since the market started to turn in February. If we are looking at a similar situation to 2017, lower coins will be pumped next and they can really rocket as the books are so thin. The best candidates are likely those on multiple exchanges.

I've always made most in alts. In 2017, in the time it took BTC to double, many coins had gone 10X, 30X. If you think we are going up I don't see why you'd want to buy BTC. Tens of billions need to come in for you to 2X in BTC, while a few million will send a lowly alt 10X.
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(06-29-2019 09:00 PM)gework Wrote:  The crypto bull markets have trended with either both going up at the same time, or alts lagging Bitcoin, often taking it in turns to rally.

From 2019: Bitcoin vs. alts

[Image: 2019.png]

There is a general pattern of coins getting pumped inverse by market cap. As you get down towards coins around and below 175+ in market cap rank, they often have gone nowhere or only doubled since the market started to turn in February. If we are looking at a similar situation to 2017, lower coins will be pumped next and they can really rocket as the books are so thin. The best candidates are likely those on multiple exchanges.

I've always made most in alts. In 2017, in the time it took BTC to double, many coins had gone 10X, 30X. If you think we are going up I don't see why you'd want to buy BTC. Tens of billions need to come in for you to 2X in BTC, while a few million will send a lowly alt 10X.

You gotta ask yourself though who is pumping the price this time?

Bigger whales and institutions are getting into this now. I was in contact with a few "mini whales" recently who were telling me the market is being pushed by USDT and institutional investments will be coming in higher force now.

Maybe we can get the general population back into this but that would require breaking ATHs again imo. I would still stick to top 50 probably but even with something like XRP - you can see that fly. It's ATH is like 8-9 times what it's currently sitting at and a lot of institutions are in talks with them.
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Had a few irl doctor friend ask me about what alts to get into. They've followed the market loosely since 2017 but not so interested in Bitcoin despite knowing it is the surest bet. I gave them my low-risk altcoin picks. The whole interaction made me believe retail investors are more likely to invest in "cheaper" coins rather than dropping money into BTC. Both asked me about XRP and how tempting the price looks. Even if they genuinely like BTC they think the best way to get more of it is through buying undervalued alts that jump up in satoshi value. Btc is likely to 10x in the next two years but for most people just getting into crypto those gains are not enough considering the risks.
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This is probably the best bitcoin video I have ever seen
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JJG and I are both big fans of dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin...however I do recognize that it's easier than done.

Where do you buy?
How much?
How often?


...are common excuses for not DCA'ing.

Over the weekend a buddy asked me an optimal DCA strategy, so I did some research and found some interesting findings about DCA'ing.

1. Coinbase and Gemini both offer automatic investing.

2. Both exchanges have similar fees. Here's Coinbase and Gemini's fee schedules.

Quote: If the total transaction amount is less than or equal to $10, the fee is $0.99.
If the total transaction amount is more than $10 but less than or equal to $25, the fee is $1.49.
If the total transaction amount is more than $25 but less than or equal to $50, the fee is $1.99.
If the total transaction amount is more than $50 but less than or equal to $200, the fee is $2.99.

$1 is 10% of $10, $2 is 4% of $50... meanwhile $3 is 1.5% of $200. You save on fees bigly by buying above $200. That percent might not seem like a lot, but it adds up over time.

3. Doing some back of the envelope testing on dcabtc.com, it seems monthly purchases have fared better than weekly. (Testing $197 monthly vs $48 weekly)

Based on the facts above, the best strategy seems to be monthly purchases of at least $200.

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(06-30-2019 03:28 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  Had a few irl doctor friend ask me about what alts to get into. They've followed the market loosely since 2017 but not so interested in Bitcoin despite knowing it is the surest bet. I gave them my low-risk altcoin picks. The whole interaction made me believe retail investors are more likely to invest in "cheaper" coins rather than dropping money into BTC. Both asked me about XRP and how tempting the price looks. Even if they genuinely like BTC they think the best way to get more of it is through buying undervalued alts that jump up in satoshi value. Btc is likely to 10x in the next two years but for most people just getting into crypto those gains are not enough considering the risks.

That's basically where I am at since I haven't gotten into the crypto game yet: I'm not fully sold on Bitcoin's long-term prospects and the super mega gains (I'm talking like 50-100x) are what I'm interested in given the risk involved compared to other opportunities.

Also, please excuse anything ignorant I say; I'm just catching up on better understanding the specific dynamics within the cryptocurrency sector.

I wrote this in the Gold/Silver thread recently:

(06-26-2019 11:36 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Silver is a bit more of a wild card. I would honestly put money in Bitcoin or maybe a gold-backed crypto vs silver since half the argument it seems about silver is: "It's cheaper than Gold and the common man will use it."

If the aforementioned is the standard for why silver is valuable as a store of value/currency, then crypto is the better fit in the 21st century. Assuming crypto, WHICH crypto is up for debate. I'm exploring gold-backed cryptos right now to see what's out there as well as privacy oriented coins. Real potential in both of those long-term. Bitcoin might end up as the best of the lot but I feel like Bitcoin is phase 1 in the cryptocurrency realm. Like AOL, Netscape, MySpace, etc. All were the overwhelming first big players in their field for a time and all got wiped out by something a bit better and/or had better marketing. BitCoin is still a technology product and if there is one constant with technology, things can change VERY fast in EITHER direction.

Short version: I see crypto as 21st century silver; not gold as many seem to associate it with (Bitcoin specifically). Furthermore, I feel that Bitcoin is crypto 1.0 and in the technology space, things can change very fast.

I want to invest but not in yesterdays news. I know Bitcoin isn't quite yesterday news yet per say (it could goto 100k) but I'm looking for Bitcoin 2.0 essentially. In my mind: Bitcoin 1.0 = MySpace. Bitcoin 2.0 = FaceBook. I feel like we are in the middle of the MySpace era now with regards to Bitcoin. Greater adoption rates, more real world usage cases, greater institutional acceptance, but people with big pockets and lots of power are asking: can we do better than Bitcoin 1.0 if crypto has a big future?

Question: As of July 2019, are there any serious competitors that could overtake Bitcoin as the dominant cryptocurrency and why so?

Someone I read up on and who appeared to have a strong understanding of the crypto space, said the following are the strongest competitors to Bitcoin (as of 2018 I believe) and where long-term potential upside is the highest:

1. Ethereum (ETH)

2. Auger (REP)

3. Particl (PART)

The reasons the above coins could overtake Bitcoin are due to easier usage, scalability, better privacy, faster processing, voting mechanisms, smart contracts, etc.

Supposedly, the above 3 coins address some major flaw(s) that Bitcoin has and can't be easily resolved within Bitcoin as modifications or additions to the original technology. And therefore, these major flaws will become more apparent as adoption of crypto increases and greater people demand more robust features.

Can anyone comment for/against any of the aforementioned coins I mentioned?

(Again, if I said something blatantly retarded, please excuse my ignorance. Still pretty fresh with this stuff).
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