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RE: Bitcoins up 60% in less than a month
(04-01-2013 04:09 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  This is ridiculous.

I remember laughing at the idea when it was down at USD12.

I am going to throw some money at this. I fully expect to get burned for my greed.

Please sell coin by coin. A big drop might burst the bubble Tongue

Good for you, but if I where you I would't sell all of them.


Bitcoins is the first of its kind, noone has any idea what its really worth.

My big conserns are how the protocoll will handle the market if 300million users are doing a transactions each day. Hope we don't move to a place where google will be the only one with server parks to sustain this market. As it then would not be decenteralized any more.
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oops, i quoted wrong guy. I ment the guy cashing out.
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USD137.

WTF?

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04-03-2013 02:12 AM
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140

Can it really just keep going up like this?
04-03-2013 02:47 AM
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It's a game of hot potato. Hop aboard if you're willing to risk holding the bag when the timer ends.
04-03-2013 03:08 AM
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Yep, i cashed out my original investment now. Riding the profit train for a while now. Might see a major correction soon.
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Damn you bitcoin. WestCoast why didn't you tell us. I could have dropped 3K in BTC instead of lendingclub.

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04-03-2013 05:07 AM
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So can you "mine" your own - or does this take a high-powered server? I guess you can't run a miner app on your home computer, can you?
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RE: Bitcoins up 60% in less than a month
You can, but its not profitable unless you got a good rig.

There are pools where miners cooperate to mine bitcoins, and you get payed by your contribution in the pool.

For a more quantitative answer check out this link

http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/

And for a more technical discussion I recommend joining the http://www.bitcointalk.org
04-03-2013 06:16 AM
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I was too slow and the price hit USD140 so I'm not dropping in on this.

Why the price has grown x10 over half a year when it offers no dividends, can't hardly be used to any great extent, and isn't super-liquid is hard to fathom.

But even if it lost 50% it would still be at USD70. At that point, I'd be willing to throw some money at it now that I have a wallet set-up and have identified a trader I can use.

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damn it, fuck this shit has annoyed me, I've got some 1 bitcoin in an account somewhere that I paid £10 for, can't find it haha

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04-04-2013 04:23 AM
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are there tools yall use to trade this?

any sites doing candlestick charts are mapping moving avg lines to this shit?
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this guy I know knows a guy who spent 1500 pounds on 25000 of these. shits gotta be worth a few mil now.
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(04-04-2013 12:00 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  are there tools yall use to trade this?

any sites doing candlestick charts are mapping moving avg lines to this shit?


If you register on Mtgox, i think there are lots of tools.

If you just want to see some charts.

check out this site

http://blockchain.info/charts

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(04-04-2013 12:30 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  this guy I know knows a guy who spent 1500 pounds on 25000 of these. shits gotta be worth a few mil now.

25,000BTC ===> 3.5 mil USD

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Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. I had heard of this but didn't pay that much attention.
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RE: Bitcoins up 60% in less than a month
The price has stabilized for now at around $130 USD, but it's also possible that there's bots artificially keeping the price high by making mass purchases of small amounts of BTC. (read: not letting the bubble collapse)

If you look at blockchain.info, there's a lot of transactions for amounts like ฿0.01

Be careful if you're investing right now.
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i know! aint that some bullshit.

i finally get in today to ride the momentum up and its been at 130 the whole day.

i liquidate my positions overnight though. we'll see tomorrow.
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(04-04-2013 07:58 PM)DLZ Wrote:  If you look at blockchain.info, there's a lot of transactions for amounts like ฿0.01

where you find that data man? Just on the mainpage? Or are there charts and stuff showing that too?
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(04-03-2013 09:02 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  I was too slow and the price hit USD140 so I'm not dropping in on this.

Why the price has grown x10 over half a year when it offers no dividends, can't hardly be used to any great extent, and isn't super-liquid is hard to fathom.

But even if it lost 50% it would still be at USD70. At that point, I'd be willing to throw some money at it now that I have a wallet set-up and have identified a trader I can use.

I think a lot of you guys are missing the point with Bitcoin. People are seeing it as a store of wealth at the moment, much like gold. Its being viewed as a safety net. Gold also has the reputation of being a useless investment that offers no dividends, cant be used and just sits there collecting dust. Which is a crock of shit, but Ill get to that.

Gold it is a store of wealth that has a market value that is set by the market, not a few invisible bankers who have access to a printing machine and just pump the money out as and when they feel like it. That people have faith in that system, yet have no faith in a system like Bitcoin, is frikken ridiculous. Overnight, Japan has just PRINTED $1.4 Trillion dollars. This is how absurd the whole thing is. No one can earn a trillion dollars in their lifetime, yet a bank can simply add it electronically to the money supply overnight. Its just a few numbers they add to the electronic system they run.

This is why people are shitting themselves. Everyone is printing money and trying to debase their currency to remain competitive. The problem is, that kills the benefits of your past production. Your savings and wealth go for a ball of shit when this starts to happen. How can money have any value at all if its unlimited?

Now as for this crap that gold is useless? FUCKING LOL

You can finance it. You can raise money against it at interest rates under 2% FOR CONSUMERS. So if you had 100k in gold, you could raise 100k in finance at less than 2%, and invest it in whatever you like. Not only do you hedge against inflation this way, you are still using the asset to produce an income. You also sit with the gold, which is a long term store anyway.

On top of it, gold is being bought up by central banks in record numbers. Countries are shoring up now.

Bitcoin is being speculatively viewed as gold at the moment. And it makes sense, because its a currency that has no central control at all. Its even more open than gold is and its something that the world should actually be embracing. There is going to be a limited supply of Bitcoins which is what makes them valuable.

Why the hell should something as crucial as money be managed by a few people? Who are a few individuals to determine the value of your production or anyone elses? Surely the market should be able to tell you what your production is worth? With no central authority, Bitcoin does that. A bitcoin is only as valuable as PEOPLE think it is, not some central bank trying to manipulate the economy and do the ruling government a few favours in the process while their banker mates make a killing.

People are losing faith in the system. That Bitcoin is seeing this sort of activity now is an indication of that. It may be in a bubble, but it may also just be getting started. Here is a simpler explanation of how Bitcoin works.

Quote:[Ed. Note: With the current price of Bitcoin at $135, we thought it'd be a good idea to revisit this revolutionary currency. Jeffrey Tucker has covered Bitcoins in the past, but today's article, the first of a two part series, goes into much greater depth about the background and history of the currency.

As you can probably tell, we're extremely excited about this innovative cryptocurrency, but we understand many people have their reservations about it. We're hoping that this article helps answers some of the many questions we've received.]


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Understanding Bitcoin requires that we understand the limits of our ability to imagine the future that the market can create for us. That is exactly what is happening with Bitcoin right now. As I type, the price is exploding, the main exchanges are overloaded, and people around the world can't convert from government currency into this digital gold fast enough.

Absolutely no one imagined such a thing five years ago. Why are we surprised? We should get used to surprises in this digital age. Thirty years ago, for example, if someone had said that electronic text -- digits flying through the air and landing in personalized inboxes owned by us all that we check at will, any time of the day or night -- would eventually displace first-class mail, you might have said this is impossible.

After all, not even The Jetsons cartoon imagined email. Elroy brought notes home from his teacher on pieces of paper. Still, email has largely displaced first-class mail, just as texting and social network private messages and even Voice over Internet Protocol are replacing the traditional telephone.

But it could also soon trigger a Wall Street collapse.

It turns out that the future is really hard to imagine, especially when entrepreneurs specialize in surprising us with innovations. The markets are always outsmarting even the most wild-eyed dreamers, and it is certainly smarter than the intellectual who keeps saying such and such cannot happen.

It's the same today. What if I suggested that digital money could eventually come to replace government paper money? Heaven knows we need a replacement.

Solving Problems a Byte at a Time

Money started in modern times as gold and silver, and it was controlled by its owners and users. Then the politicians got hold of it -- a controlling interest in half of every transaction -- and look what they did. Today, money is rooted in nothing at all, and its value is subject to the whims of central planners, politicians, and monetary bureaucrats. This is not a very modern system when we consider a world in which the market is driving innovations in other aspects of our daily lives.

Maybe it was just a matter of time. The practicality is impossible to deny: Gamers needed tokens they could trade. Digital real estate needed to be bought and sold. Money was also becoming more and more notional too, with wire transfers, bank computer systems, and card networks serving to move "money" around. The whole world was gradually migrating to the digital sphere, but conventional money was attached to the ground, to vaults owned or controlled by governments.

The geeks went to work on it in the 1990s and developed a number of prototypes -- Ecash, bit gold, RPOW, b-money -- but they all faltered for the same reason: Their supply could not be limited, and no one could figure out how to make them impossible to double- and triple-spend. Normally, reproducibility is a wonderful thing. You can send me an image and still keep it. You can send me a song and not lose control of yours. The Internet made possible infinite copying, which is great for media and texts and -- with 3-D printing -- even objects. But this is not a feature that benefits a medium of exchange.

After all, a currency is useless unless it is scarce and its replication carefully controlled. Think of the gold standard. There is a fixed amount of gold in the world, and it enters into economic life only through hard work and real expenditure. Gold has to be mined. All gold is interchangeable with all other gold, but when I own an ounce, you can't own it at the same time. How can such a system be replicated in the digital sphere? How can you assign titles to a fungible digital good and makes sure that these titles are absolutely sticky to the property in question?

Follow the Money

Finally, it happened. In 2008, a person called "Satoshi Nakamoto" created Bitcoin. He wasn't the first to solve the problem of double-spending. A currency called e-gold did that, but the flaw was that there was a central entity in charge that users had to trust. Bitcoin removed this failure, enabling miners themselves to constantly validate the transaction record. Nakamoto had each user download the full ledger of all existing Bitcoins so that each could be checked for its title and not used more than once at the same time. With his system, every coin had an owner, and the system could not be gamed.

Further, Nakamoto built in a system of mining that attempts to replicate the experience of the gold standard. The math equations you have to solve get harder over time to adjust to expansions of computing power involved in the mining. The early creators had it easy, just as the early miners of gold could pan it out of the river, though later they had to dig into the mountain. Nakamoto put a limit on the number of coins that can be mined (21 million by 2140). (A new coin currently is mined every 20 seconds or so, and a transaction occurs every second.)

He made his code completely open source and available to all so that it could be trusted. And the payment system uses the most advanced form of encryption, with public keys visible to all and a scrambling system that makes its connection to the private key impossible to discover.

No one would be in charge of the system; everyone would be in charge of the system: This is what it means to be open source, and it's the same dynamic that has made WordPress a powerhouse in the software community. There would be no need for an "Audit Bitcoin" movement. Trust, anonymity, speed, strict property rights, and the possibility that applications could be built on top of the infrastructure: This was perfect.

It went live on Nov. 1, 2008. To really appreciate why this matters, consider the times. The entire political and financial establishment was in full-scale panic meltdown. The real estate markets had collapsed, pulling down the balance sheets of the major banks. The investment banks were unloading mortgage-backed securities at an unprecedented pace. Boats delivering goods couldn't leave shore because they couldn't find backers for their insurance bonds. For a moment, it seemed the world was ending. The Republicans held the White House, but the unthinkable still happened: Government and the central banks decided to attempt a full-scale rescue of the whole system, spending and creating trillions in new paper tickets to fill bank vaults.

Clearly, government paper was failing. A digital alternative had to exist. But what gave Bitcoin its value? There were several factors. It was not fixed to any existing currency, so it could float according to human valuation. It was made from real stuff: the very 1s and 0s that were driving forward the global market economy. And while 1s and 0s can be reproduced unto infinity, the new coins could not, thanks to a strict system in which the coin and its public key were strictly controlled and the ledger updated for every transaction. Its soundness could be checked constantly through instant conversion to other currencies as well as goods and services.

The model seemed impenetrable, the first digital currency that really addressed all the problems that had doomed previous attempts.

Stay tuned for tomorrow's conclusion, in which you'll learn about my own personal experience with the currency, including my very first Bitcoin purchase. Hopefully, you'll see, just like I did, how simple, revolutionary and exciting this idea can be.
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Man I failed to seize the opportunity to buy at $10 a while back. You don't understand how mad I am. Especially since I'm all about tech and internet stuff.
gahhh. I feel retarded.

anyone else feel fucking stupid like me?

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(04-04-2013 09:41 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  I think a lot of you guys are missing the point with Bitcoin. People are seeing it as a store of wealth at the moment, much like gold. Its being viewed as a safety net.


I think as soon as you start seeing more people proclaim Bitcoin - a currency that's only a couple years old, has little to no transparency about inflows and outflows, and is only used by tech geeks, HYIPers and drug customers, and has proven to be extremely volatile - as a "store of wealth" then the bubble's gonna crash for sure.

LOL!!!!!!

This bitch is not a store of wealth, but it can be traded for sure.
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