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RE: The Bitcoin thread
(01-16-2015 01:56 AM)alex3948 Wrote:  Yes I am currently in dollars. I bought 10 BTC at US$180 and let it go up, at $225 I decided to place a sell-stop at $210 in case it would go down. I should have sold at $225 instead, but the market shows no mercy.

You can make money fast, but you can also lose money even faster.


Thanks for those further details... and yes surely there is risk in these kinds of actions... and


yes sounds as if you made a pretty decent trade, in and out - and even if you did NOT maximize the amount that you could have made, you made a decent profit in a fairly short period of time.

How did you do the trade? Are you on an exchange? do you still have the fiat on that exchange? do you have to declare your profits for tax purposes?

If I trade, I usually would do it on BTC-e because seems to have amongst the lowest fees that are available to me (.2% each direction - buy and sell), but I am sure that there are better low fee options available for guys, depending on location. I do NOT generally declare any profits or losses on my btc-e trades because I have NOT cashed them out yet, and mostly overall my trades on BTC-e have been overall losses, anyhow. I will probably figure out the tax implications once I decide to cash them out, if I ever do...
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I use Virtex in Canada, their fees are higher (.6%) but they use Online Interac for deposits, so you can deposit a few grands instantly. Most exchanges allow direct withdrawal, but it takes 3-5 days. Nothing worse than seeing BTC at $180, making a deposit, and when the money clears and you are ready to trade, BTC is already at 225. Any exchange that doesn't allow INSTANT deposits is a big no-no.

As for getting my Cash, I use a prepaid Mastercard that Virtex credits according to my earnings. You just need to withdraw that money at any ATM. As for tax considerations, well, they can go fuck themselves.

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RE: The Bitcoin thread
(01-16-2015 02:21 AM)alex3948 Wrote:  I use Virtex in Canada, their fees are higher (.6%) but they use Online Interac for deposits, so you can deposit a few grands instantly. Most exchanges allow direct withdrawal, but it takes 3-5 days. Nothing worse than seeing BTC at $180, making a deposit, and when the money clears and you are ready to trade, BTC is already at 225. Any exchange that doesn't allow INSTANT deposits is a big no-no.

As for getting my Cash, I use a prepaid Mastercard that Virtex credits according to my earnings. You just need to withdraw that money at any ATM. As for tax considerations, well, they can go fuck themselves.



So would you calculate your total transaction costs at 1.2%? You have .6% on each end? or are there other fees?

If I use Circle to convert to fiat, there are NO fees, but dollar limitations in how much I can put in or take out on a weekly basis and they seem to adjust the exchange rate to cause some kinds of fee-like costs to me that seem to be taking place. If I use coinbase, there is a 1% fee on each end.
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Deposits are free, 0.6% on each side (1.2% total), withdrawals to bank account have a flat $6 fee, however withdrawals to a prepaid mastercard are free. You will just pay a one-time fee of $10 to get the card when you open your account.

The limits are pretty high, I don't know them by heart, but it's more than enough, a few grands per day.

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RE: The Bitcoin thread
I like this chart a lot:
https://www.tradingview.com/v/8ss69KFu/

I think the bottoms been reached, we were in the $100 zone for a long time in 2013, if bitcoin could handle it then it can handle it now. It' much more distributed. And many people got margin called when we dropped so low.
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I know I've been writing a lot about it already, but I think maidsafecoin could be Bitcoin 2.0, the one that the general public starts to use. Here is why:
Safecoin doesn't waste energy like bitcoin do. Energy is used to store data.
Safecoin transfers are instant.
Safecoin is anonymous, you can't track the coins in the blockchain.
Safecoin doesn't run the risk of a 51% attack.
Safecoin doesn't need a 27GB blockchain to be used.

Advantages with bitcoin:
Bitcoin is more well disturbed (but it wasn't in the beginning)
Bitcoin is already up and running (but they seem to be working hard)

What do you guys think? If anyone is taking a look at it, please tell me your honest opinion.
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(01-19-2015 06:04 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  I know I've been writing a lot about it already, but I think maidsafecoin could be Bitcoin 2.0, the one that the general public starts to use. Here is why:
Safecoin doesn't waste energy like bitcoin do. Energy is used to store data.
Safecoin transfers are instant.
Safecoin is anonymous, you can't track the coins in the blockchain.
Safecoin doesn't run the risk of a 51% attack.
Safecoin doesn't need a 27GB blockchain to be used.

Advantages with bitcoin:
Bitcoin is more well disturbed (but it wasn't in the beginning)
Bitcoin is already up and running (but they seem to be working hard)

What do you guys think? If anyone is taking a look at it, please tell me your honest opinion.



Surely other guys can chime in because I don't know very much about specifics about many of the altcoins because I remain of the belief that there remains a considerable first mover (and relative size) advantage with bitcoin, and therefore it remains far too early and speculative to project any coin as a potential bitcoin 2.0.


When any coin reaches 1/4 or 1/5 of bitcoin's market cap, then maybe we can contemplate whether we should give them serious considerations in potentially naming them as potential bitcoin 2.0. None of the coins, except Ripple, are in the 1/5 range of bitcoin's market cap, and surely, we should NOT give too much airplay or consideration to Ripple because of its centralized nature and pre-mining and just potential for manipulation (due mostly to the centralization of the control of its supply and its various applications).
01-19-2015 07:50 PM
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I did not read pages 2-80 of this thread, but I don't get bitcoin. It seems to me to be one step past fiat money in the WRONG direction. It exists only as blips on an electronic screen. Call me a Luddite, but I would invest in gold or silver before I would put money into bitcoin.
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(01-20-2015 02:16 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I did not read pages 2-80 of this thread, but I don't get bitcoin. It seems to me to be one step past fiat money in the WRONG direction. It exists only as blips on an electronic screen. Call me a Luddite, but I would invest in gold or silver before I would put money into bitcoin.

Pages 2-80 are pretty much JJG saying he has a feeling that it's going up whilst all the time it's been going down.
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(01-20-2015 02:16 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I did not read pages 2-80 of this thread, but I don't get bitcoin. It seems to me to be one step past fiat money in the WRONG direction. It exists only as blips on an electronic screen. Call me a Luddite, but I would invest in gold or silver before I would put money into bitcoin.

Surely, you have a right to express your opinion about bitcoin; however it sounds as if you are quite admittedly self-imposed ignorant about the topic of bitcoin, especially if you chosen NOT to read more than two pages of this thread. Additionally, you have not cited other sources for your knowledge.

In case you happen to be interested in becoming more informed about bitcion from RVF member contributions, there is another more basic and shorter RVF thread that describes some basic bitcoin aspects, which may be useful.

Hopefully, you will be able to read a little more on the topic or at least cite us some sources for the basis of your input in this thread.
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(01-20-2015 02:31 PM)EuroSlumming Wrote:  
(01-20-2015 02:16 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I did not read pages 2-80 of this thread, but I don't get bitcoin. It seems to me to be one step past fiat money in the WRONG direction. It exists only as blips on an electronic screen. Call me a Luddite, but I would invest in gold or silver before I would put money into bitcoin.

Pages 2-80 are pretty much JJG saying he has a feeling that it's going up whilst all the time it's been going down.


hahahaha...

Refer to my above post, yet Euroslumming, I think that your rendition of this thread is a bit exaggerated and does NOT reflect the content of those pages (2-80) very accurately (even though I began participating quite a bit in this thread beginning on page 18 and probably suggesting the price of bitcoin is going to go up somewhere later in the thread - and at several various points thereafter).

Yes it is true and no mystery that BTC prices have been going down, pretty much since about page 18 (with some ups and downs along the way, but mostly down). In any event there is more to bitcoin than my posts, or this thread or even the price performance of bitcoin since page 18 of this thread.

Surely, several of us who participate in this thread remain interested in bitcoin and substantive contributions to take place in this thread - even though BTC prices have been very depressing for a lot of people in the past several months and even worse when the in the past few months, BTC prices dipped into the $200s on more than one occasion and then even down to the mid-to-upper $100s for several days within the past week or so (and seems like we are NOT completely out of risk for BTC prices to continue to dip into the $100s), even though in about the past 5-6 days BTC prices have largely stayed above $200 but remaining in the lower $200s with a lot of BTC trade volume (seems to be record-breaking trade volume or at least near record-breaking volume on several of the exchanges) .
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(01-20-2015 02:34 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(01-20-2015 02:16 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I did not read pages 2-80 of this thread, but I don't get bitcoin. It seems to me to be one step past fiat money in the WRONG direction. It exists only as blips on an electronic screen. Call me a Luddite, but I would invest in gold or silver before I would put money into bitcoin.

Surely, you have a right to express your opinion about bitcoin; however it sounds as if you are quite admittedly self-imposed ignorant about the topic of bitcoin, especially if you chosen NOT to read more than two pages of this thread. Additionally, you have not cited other sources for your knowledge.

In case you happen to be interested in becoming more informed about bitcion from RVF member contributions, there is another more basic and shorter RVF thread that describes some basic bitcoin aspects, which may be useful.

Hopefully, you will be able to read a little more on the topic or at least cite us some sources for the basis of your input in this thread.

Feel free to give me a short explanation of why this imaginary thing has any value. I have read a little about bitcoin and I don't get it, at all.

I understand that this imaginary "money" is mined by computers and it takes time to do it. It also takes time to mine gold and silver. I own some silver. I can put it in my hand. It is an industrial metal with many uses. I see how it has intrinsic value. It always has and probably always will.

Now, explain the advantages that bitcoin holds over silver or gold.

And it wasn't really necessary to point out that I have the right to express my opinion about bitcoin. Everyone knows that I have that right.
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(01-20-2015 04:51 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  
(01-20-2015 02:34 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  
(01-20-2015 02:16 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I did not read pages 2-80 of this thread, but I don't get bitcoin. It seems to me to be one step past fiat money in the WRONG direction. It exists only as blips on an electronic screen. Call me a Luddite, but I would invest in gold or silver before I would put money into bitcoin.

Surely, you have a right to express your opinion about bitcoin; however it sounds as if you are quite admittedly self-imposed ignorant about the topic of bitcoin, especially if you chosen NOT to read more than two pages of this thread. Additionally, you have not cited other sources for your knowledge.

In case you happen to be interested in becoming more informed about bitcion from RVF member contributions, there is another more basic and shorter RVF thread that describes some basic bitcoin aspects, which may be useful.

Hopefully, you will be able to read a little more on the topic or at least cite us some sources for the basis of your input in this thread.

Feel free to give me a short explanation of why this imaginary thing has any value. I have read a little about bitcoin and I don't get it, at all.

In essence what you seem to be doing is frequently referred to as trolling. You first of all say that you have NOT read this thread, and then you ask questions to incite and/or put the burden on other members in this thread (and possibly me directly) to rebutt some of your statements, even though you admit that you have NOT read the thread... and in essence these topics have been batted back and forth quite a bit in this thread.

If you read the thread, and you still want to make various points, then at least you would be coming from an informed position and possibly be able to expressed your position in light of a variety of arguments and information that has already been batted about many times in this thread.

Anyone can chime in here.. but I will assert that bitcoin has value for a large variety of reasons, including but NOT limited to a storage of value, a money transfer system, and a public ledger.





(01-20-2015 04:51 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  I understand that this imaginary "money" is mined by computers and it takes time to do it. It also takes time to mine gold and silver. I own some silver. I can put it in my hand. It is an industrial metal with many uses. I see how it has intrinsic value. It always has and probably always will.

This sounds like one of those Peter Schiff type arguments that came up a few times in the thread. In this regard, things can have value by more than merely being tangible, and also based on if people are willing to pay for them, including potentially for some of the reasons I described in my above paragraph: "including but NOT limited to a storage of value, a money transfer system, and a public ledger."




(01-20-2015 04:51 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  Now, explain the advantages that bitcoin holds over silver or gold.


I don't know about all advantages of bitcoin over either silver or gold but portability seems to be one advantage, and the public ledger aspect seems to be another advantage and upside price potential seems to be even another benefit of bitcoin (even though off-set by potential risk)


(01-20-2015 04:51 PM)1818Steve Wrote:  And it wasn't really necessary to point out that I have the right to express my opinion about bitcoin. Everyone knows that I have that right.


I was trying to be courteous, while at the same time suggesting that you should probably read up before you go on stating strong opinions in your posts about something that you do NOT really seem to understand and you are asserting that you did NOT read the thread and you are NOT otherwise stating any sources or providing any meaningful rationale for your asserted positions.
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(01-20-2015 09:39 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  I was trying to be courteous, while at the same time suggesting that you should probably read up before you go on stating strong opinions in your posts about something that you do NOT really seem to understand and you are asserting that you did NOT read the thread and you are NOT otherwise stating any sources or providing any meaningful rationale for your asserted positions.

Seemed more like passive aggressive to me.

Stating that I don't get it is not a strong opinion. You seem to have a lot of emotion invested in this judging by your defensiveness on the subject.

Anyway, have fun "investing" in bitcoins.
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(01-21-2015 01:15 AM)1818Steve Wrote:  
(01-20-2015 09:39 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  I was trying to be courteous, while at the same time suggesting that you should probably read up before you go on stating strong opinions in your posts about something that you do NOT really seem to understand and you are asserting that you did NOT read the thread and you are NOT otherwise stating any sources or providing any meaningful rationale for your asserted positions.

Seemed more like passive aggressive to me.

Stating that I don't get it is not a strong opinion. You seem to have a lot of emotion invested in this judging by your defensiveness on the subject.

Anyway, have fun "investing" in bitcoins.

I don't consider my statements to you, 1818Steve, to be emotional - because I am merely suggesting that you back up your statements with more meat and/or read more of this thread in order to strive towards more topically meaningful contribution(s) in your posts..
Otherwise your posts, herein, merely seem to be unnecessarily combative, uninformed and/or bordering on trolling....

That's just my sense of it, and at this point, I feel little to no emotional involvement regarding your posts.

Regarding BTC price, NICE little bump upward today. We will see which way it goes this week? Any guesses? or bets?
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I just bought some Bitcoin today so my guess is up. Anything can happen though.

JJG, are you holding for the long haul regardless of what's in the news? I was surprised you didn't sell anything when the Bitstamp news came out. It cost you a bundle I imagine.
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(01-23-2015 06:53 PM)Paul B Wrote:  I just bought some Bitcoin today so my guess is up. Anything can happen though.

JJG, are you holding for the long haul regardless of what's in the news? I was surprised you didn't sell anything when the Bitstamp news came out. It cost you a bundle I imagine.


yeah, generally i am continuing to hold and to buy.

I think that sometimes when we hear the news, it is NOT always clear whether the market has already adjusted for the situation... So for me, it is NOT always clear that the price is going to continue to go down, even while it is continuing to go down. Accordingly, i generally do NOT sell.
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(01-25-2015 02:22 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  yeah, generally i am continuing to hold and to buy.

I think that sometimes when we hear the news, it is NOT always clear whether the market has already adjusted for the situation... So for me, it is NOT always clear that the price is going to continue to go down, even while it is continuing to go down. Accordingly, i generally do NOT sell.

This coinbase countdown was rather embarrassing in my opinion.
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I've been buying some with a portion of each paycheck as the price is being walked down in this bear market.

People who bought in at the November bubble and the upper 100's with dreams of getting rich quick have to capitulate for a bottom to be put in. Market sentiment has to change and this will take its own sweet time, I anticipate that the next major growth spurt could take 5-6 years to build up.

I'm mentally prepared for the wait, and also for the possibility for Bitcoin to fail.
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My last post here was on page number 50, just checked in bitcoin price at 220$, and wondering who actually is in profit since the beginning of the thread?
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Guys, the price is going down and is going to continue going down, I sold at $700. There will be some upswings in the short term but overall the coin is dead. I think buying in around $50-$70 would be a good amount for a short term gain.

But by all means keep burning your money Smile
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Nobody can predict the prices come on. Bitcoin is one wild animal. I prefer to just buy in at different prices and have it averaged down. I've bought Bitcoins in the $100s, $400s, $700s, $200s, in that chronological order, but I've also sold Bitcoins in the $300s, $800s, and even some at $1000s when they were up there. My last purchase was in my self-directed Roth IRA LLC where I bought ~20 in the $200s prices. If it goes down the $100's, I'll buy another batch.
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If you dont think you or anyone can predict the price then why the are you placing money into it?

You may as well play roulette. You are caught in the hype bro..
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I'm saying nobody can predict with 100% accuracy where the price is going. For example, you're shooting for $50-70. If you said something along the lines of "I believe there's a x% probability that the price will go down there," then I would take you more seriously. Unless you got a time machine, you can't say that, i.e., predict prices, with 100% certainty. Bitcoin has been around for 4-5 years, this isn't its first, but fourth bubble. The bubble before this hit $200 prices, before dropping to $60, and then shooting up for the most recent bubble to $1000. Yes, it could die, and I'm prepared for that, but a) I actually don't think that will happen, and b) I didn't put my life savings into it, but came in with a strategy I can work with.
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40% chance it will drop to $50-$70 in next two years, 75% it will drop < $180 this year. I go on history/trends, perception of people's mindsets, bullish & bearishness.

I'm not prepared to place my money into something that 'could die' since I have no control over that outcome. Bought in once and made some good money but probably won't buy in again unless price is sweet. But hey that's me, go for it make it rain dollar bills and prove me wrong.
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