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(12-03-2014 10:00 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Harden can't play defense or pass. Tell me they got Steve Francis 2.0

You hatin Ment. He isn't Franchise by a long shot. He been playing defense this year. He is much improved shocking everyone.

I agree. Sometimes players get better or worse and it takes time for their perception to catch-up with fans/analysts and especially casual fans. I don't even like Harden but he's been trying on D this year and is easily the best SG in the league.

The MVP by the end of the season will either be Curry (Top 3-4 record in the West, top 5 player), LeBron (once Cavs gel and he starts playing like best in the game again), or even KD (yeah, he missed a bunch of games but if he takes OKC on a tear and puts up godly numbers he might be able to get it). Really it's a two man race between Curry and LeBron with Curry way ahead of him right now.

AD is good but won't win as his team will most likely miss the playoffs in a loaded West. Nobody is winning the MVP on a team that doesn't even make the playoffs.
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(12-03-2014 10:00 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Harden can't play defense or pass. Tell me they got Steve Francis 2.0

You hatin Ment. He isn't Franchise by a long shot. He been playing defense this year. He is much improved shocking everyone.

Maybe a little but I just looked at his shooting percentage....40% if I read that correctly. Assist numbers are up though since Parsons left. I haven't watched him play so I can't go with the eye test.

Steph Curry is the front runner for now until Lebron figures it out.

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(12-03-2014 10:40 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 10:00 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Harden can't play defense or pass. Tell me they got Steve Francis 2.0

You hatin Ment. He isn't Franchise by a long shot. He been playing defense this year. He is much improved shocking everyone.

Maybe a little but I just looked at his shooting percentage....40% if I read that correctly. Assist numbers are up though since Parsons left. I haven't watched him play so I can't go with the eye test.

Steph Curry is the front runner for now until Lebron figures it out.

You can't go by FG% only. You gotta look at eFG and TS% numbers. Harden has a low FG% but is still pretty efficient from the floor because of all the free throws he baits the defenders and refs into.
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Not a big fan of Harden.

While the most 'efficient' scores comes from A) outside shots b) quick transition baskets c) foul shots and Harden is good at all three, when it comes to the post-season he simply will not get those baskets as much as he does in the regular season. He's got no post game, his foul flops won't work half as much and defence gets epically tight in the post season and he won't get that face up three that he loves either.
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(12-04-2014 04:53 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Not a big fan of Harden.

While the most 'efficient' scores comes from A) outside shots b) quick transition baskets c) foul shots and Harden is good at all three, when it comes to the post-season he simply will not get those baskets as much as he does in the regular season. He's got no post game, his foul flops won't work half as much and defence gets epically tight in the post season and he won't get that face up three that he loves either.

Why would a SG need a good post game? Especially a SG that has Dwight Howard on his team? The team's actual offense style and game plan does not utilize that very much either.

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(12-03-2014 10:40 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 10:00 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Harden can't play defense or pass. Tell me they got Steve Francis 2.0

You hatin Ment. He isn't Franchise by a long shot. He been playing defense this year. He is much improved shocking everyone.

Maybe a little but I just looked at his shooting percentage....40% if I read that correctly. Assist numbers are up though since Parsons left. I haven't watched him play so I can't go with the eye test.

Steph Curry is the front runner for now until Lebron figures it out.

A little bit? Stevie was known for breaking ankles and was a point guard, not a SG. He was never an MVP candidate as far as I remember, especially when he played with Yao Ming.

I agree on the Curry and Lebron bit. Lebron better catch up though. He is a bit behind in that race.

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(12-04-2014 07:42 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 04:53 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Not a big fan of Harden.

While the most 'efficient' scores comes from A) outside shots b) quick transition baskets c) foul shots and Harden is good at all three, when it comes to the post-season he simply will not get those baskets as much as he does in the regular season. He's got no post game, his foul flops won't work half as much and defence gets epically tight in the post season and he won't get that face up three that he loves either.

Why would a SG need a good post game? Especially a SG that has Dwight Howard on his team? The team's actual offense style and game plan does not utilize that very much either.

Every elite SG in the game has a post game.

Dwight is not a go to guy in the post, despite his reputation. Even in Orlando, he was more effective on the pick and roll or the face up.

Harden will have no trouble putting up points in the regular season at all. He can have that triple threat three, or the quick transition drive to the basket ending with a flailing arm motion all he likes but when it comes down the playoffs he won't get those baskets as much or as efficiently.

Harden is the only 2-guard in this generation with actual size. For him not to have any post game is crazy considering the plethora of 2 guards out there that are 6'3 or less with no length.

Houston will get demolished in the playoffs. The only team I could see them potentially beating in the top 8 would be the Clippers. Dallas / Memphis / Spurs / Warriors have much more complete rosters. Dwight Howard is a big black mark because he is obviously not the player he was 3 years ago and I'd say he isn't even a top 3 centre in the West now.
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(12-04-2014 07:46 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 10:40 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 10:00 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Harden can't play defense or pass. Tell me they got Steve Francis 2.0

You hatin Ment. He isn't Franchise by a long shot. He been playing defense this year. He is much improved shocking everyone.

Maybe a little but I just looked at his shooting percentage....40% if I read that correctly. Assist numbers are up though since Parsons left. I haven't watched him play so I can't go with the eye test.

Steph Curry is the front runner for now until Lebron figures it out.

A little bit? Stevie was known for breaking ankles and was a point guard, not a SG. He was never an MVP candidate as far as I remember, especially when he played with Yao Ming.

I agree on the Curry and Lebron bit. Lebron better catch up though. He is a bit behind in that race.

Steve Francis was an insanely gifted player who sadly had the wrong head on his shoulders. If he approached the game like Dwade or Tparker he would have left a much more respectable legacy.
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(12-04-2014 09:08 AM)CodyB Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 07:46 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 10:40 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 10:00 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:36 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Harden can't play defense or pass. Tell me they got Steve Francis 2.0

You hatin Ment. He isn't Franchise by a long shot. He been playing defense this year. He is much improved shocking everyone.

Maybe a little but I just looked at his shooting percentage....40% if I read that correctly. Assist numbers are up though since Parsons left. I haven't watched him play so I can't go with the eye test.

Steph Curry is the front runner for now until Lebron figures it out.

A little bit? Stevie was known for breaking ankles and was a point guard, not a SG. He was never an MVP candidate as far as I remember, especially when he played with Yao Ming.

I agree on the Curry and Lebron bit. Lebron better catch up though. He is a bit behind in that race.

Steve Francis was an insanely gifted player who sadly had the wrong head on his shoulders. If he approached the game like Dwade or Tparker he would have left a much more respectable legacy.

Steve was a product of his environment. He and AI were extremely alike because you would had to have grown up in places they did in order to obtain that level of ball handle skill. The fact that both are broke and achieved nothing is not a surprise really. Streetball styles and backgrounds have limits due to the environments that produce it. Ron Artest can be thrown in that bunch as well.

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(12-04-2014 09:06 AM)CodyB Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 07:42 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-04-2014 04:53 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Not a big fan of Harden.

While the most 'efficient' scores comes from A) outside shots b) quick transition baskets c) foul shots and Harden is good at all three, when it comes to the post-season he simply will not get those baskets as much as he does in the regular season. He's got no post game, his foul flops won't work half as much and defence gets epically tight in the post season and he won't get that face up three that he loves either.

Why would a SG need a good post game? Especially a SG that has Dwight Howard on his team? The team's actual offense style and game plan does not utilize that very much either.

Every elite SG in the game has a post game.

Dwight is not a go to guy in the post, despite his reputation. Even in Orlando, he was more effective on the pick and roll or the face up.

Harden will have no trouble putting up points in the regular season at all. He can have that triple threat three, or the quick transition drive to the basket ending with a flailing arm motion all he likes but when it comes down the playoffs he won't get those baskets as much or as efficiently.

Harden is the only 2-guard in this generation with actual size. For him not to have any post game is crazy considering the plethora of 2 guards out there that are 6'3 or less with no length.

Houston will get demolished in the playoffs. The only team I could see them potentially beating in the top 8 would be the Clippers. Dallas / Memphis / Spurs / Warriors have much more complete rosters. Dwight Howard is a big black mark because he is obviously not the player he was 3 years ago and I'd say he isn't even a top 3 centre in the West now.

I don't agree with this at all. James is a run and shoot style player. It's not in his toolset. There is no reason for him to even develop into that, when there are other guys on the roster for that. The Rockets style is 3pt heavy regardless. Live by the 3, die by the 3. It's gimmicky compared to teams like the Spurs, but if they execute well enough and play decent defense, they are 2nd round capable in the playoffs.

They also do not match up well against the Clippers either. If anything, avoiding them, Portland, or the Spurs in the first round would do them well.

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What do you guys think about some of the pieces on the Sixers? Tony Wroten is a real player who's a lot of fun to watch (dude is like an octopus driving in the line, contorts his arms crazy ways to get shots off) and could easily head a second unit on a contender. KJ McDaniels on the other hand, (IMO) is going to be one of the best players from this class. In a league that's thirsty for good wings, this guy checks off on all the positives. So far, it's looking like the deal he took betting on himself is going to pay off big time, because at the rate he's going, he'll cash out on a Max (or close to it) contract in just two years (or next year, if a team offers it in his RFA).
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Biggest issue with Lebron for MVP is that he isn't judged by his peers anymore. By default, him being the best in the game, he could win MVP each year. So him being "the best in the league" does not cut it anymore. He will be judged against his best and most productive seasons, not his peers. Any other player that shows they are by the the most productive player, absent a Lebron topping his own performance of the past will be MVP. Lebron will get first place votes, as he does each year... but this year.. so far... Curry is the man.
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Don't you think that comes with some irony since he is basically playing mentor/teacher/on court coach to a bunch of younger guys who have only experience inside of a losing culture in Cleveland?

This would be one of his finer seasons since the 07' trip the Finals if he could lift this squad to a title in his 1st season back

Easily worthy of a 6th MVP award

Despite his lofty numbers in past seasons, the 2007 campaign (in a losing effort) is vastly unrated when people talk about LBJ's accomplishments.

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Rockets don't have the personnel to handle the Spurs, Mavericks, Clippers, Thunder, and Memphis. Avoid those teams and they can advance.

I'm ready to put money on the Mavs to win it all this season. The odds are low enough to where it will be worth putting some cheddar on them.

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My money is on the Bulls

If they can all be healthy they will be a force to reckon with.
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Bulls looked good for long spurts w/o Rose last night

Instead of being the closer, his role is evolving into the opener and setting the table

Butler comes in later to apply the dagger

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(12-04-2014 02:52 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Rockets don't have the personnel to handle the Spurs, Mavericks, Clippers, Thunder, and Memphis. Avoid those teams and they can advance.

I'm ready to put money on the Mavs to win it all this season. The odds are low enough to where it will be worth putting some cheddar on them.

We smashed Memphis last night. Had a huge lead on them most of the game. I agree with the rest.

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Thing is Bulls haven't been healthy in forever. 3 of their best players are injury prone in Rose , Noah, and Pau. Thereotically I might agree that they would he favorite in East if they were fully healthy but I think Rose as a superstar is done.

I got a Cavs OKC finals.
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Houston actually matches up with Spurs well. It would be a competitive series. They were 4-0 against them in regular season last year if I remember correctly. Harden always gives then fits going back to his OKC days. Remember the 12 playoffs?
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Houston had three legit scorers on that team. 2 years later they have Harden who can get his own and then Dwight who will never be a primary scorer. If Harden goes long stretches cold then who is picking up the scoring? Beverly?

Until someone dethrones the Spurs then I can't get rid of them. Basically three guys who can create or be primary scorers just like the Mavs except the Spurs role players are phenomenal. That's been the difference for the last 2 years.

Not hatin on Houston but they are missing too much.

I haven't even talked about G state, Memphis, and Clippers. The West is too much these days

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Warriors are legit this year, Bulls aren't some cupcake team. Last seasons team would have lost this game by 12. Steph and Klay had a poor shooting night and still came away with the W.

Based on what I heard at the end of last season, I liked the team choosing to move on from Jackson. It's still early but I didn't think the team would look this good this soon.
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Agreed.

The W's having Bogut back is key. He rebounds and defends, does their dirty work. Their bench has been solid. I think they have the pieces to make a run.

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To further underscore what a run the Dubs are having, here's a leaguewide plus/minus chart updated after every game:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/...tics/2014/

How the top 10 looks as of this post:

[Image: ZUJLr1Y.png?1]


PS: I bet Steve Kerr is not regretting turning down the Knicks, no?
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LAKERS SOFT LIKE CHARMIN!!

Lmao Kobe agrees:
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Quote:Later Bryant said, "You m-----f------ are soft like Charmin in this m-----f-----. God damn, is this the type of s--- that's going on in these practices? Now I see why we've lost 20 f---ing games. We're soft like Charmin. We're soft like s---."

Kobe don't play. The Alpha Male. look at everyone's body language... he's the leader of the pride man.

Kobe has always been that way too. This video reminds me of a young lion cub letting the King of the pride know "I'm going to take this from you."
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I take back what I said about James Harden. He's having his best year so far in almost every category. I would still like to see him improve on his shot selection but with their number two option gone to Dallas and Dwight hurt, I could see why he would have to take more chances than usual.

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