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They already had problems with female ref Lauren Holtkamp.

The male refs are bad enough if you look at them the wrong way, now you're going to see tech. fouls for "manspreading".

Clippers' Chris Paul critical of female referee after loss

CLEVELAND (AP) — Clippers All-Star guard Chris Paul was critical of referee Lauren Holtkamp following a 105-94 loss to the Cavaliers on Thursday night.

Paul was assessed a technical foul in the third quarter by Holtkamp, who worked with officials Ken Mauer and Eric Lewis. Los Angeles was given five technicals — four in the third quarter, three of them in a 52-second span.

Paul got his technical with 10:17 left in the third. Following a free throw by Cleveland, the Clippers were attempting to inbound the ball quickly when Holtkamp, one of two active female officials in the NBA, stepped in. Paul questioned her and was slapped with the technical.

The Clippers got five technical fouls and a player ejected in less than three quarters against the Cavs
"The tech I got was ridiculous," Paul said. "That's terrible. There's no way that can be a technical. We try to get the ball out fast every time down the court. When we did that, she said, 'Uh-uh.' I said, 'Why uh-uh?' and she gave me a technical. That's ridiculous. If that's the case, this might not be for her."
05-10-2019 07:54 AM
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Both good close games yesterday. It’s nice seeing the raptors fans with something to cheer about. The blazers match up well against the warriors and hopefully win games before Durant returns.

I’d love to see a finals of blazers vs either bucks or raptors but I’m guessing it’s another warriors championship

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05-13-2019 01:40 AM
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Congrats to the Raptors but they look weak as hell. It's literally Kawhi vs. everyone. I expect the Buck to eat them alive.
05-13-2019 01:45 AM
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Gotta say I'm really impressed with GS - they've been killing it without KD and Cousins.

Now that they've swept the Blazers, they're gonna be so well-rested for the Finals. I expect the Bucks-Raptors series to go 7 games.
05-21-2019 01:34 AM
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My guess : Bucks in 5
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I was at game 2 last Friday and man the Raptors looked awful, terrible shooting and no defense. Even game 3 they barely hung on to win after double OT. If they lose tonight, they'll be done in 5, they haven't been very good on the road this playoffs. Gotta say though, the Fiserv Forum in Milwaukee was a beautiful spot to see a game and the fans there have some of the best chants I've heard in any live sporting event. Who knew Cheeseheads could do basketball too.
05-21-2019 05:16 PM
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GSW just function better as a team and play their best basketball with both stars Curry and Tompson being able to do what they do well. KD was the ultimate wild card who in a 7 Game series can take over and get you a game, but he is also a stagnant ball hog who kills GSW offence flow and hinders both Curry and Tompson. This is the clear reason why GSW is now winning games much more easily with KD gone. "NBA MEDIA" is having a heart attack and can't seem to understand why. The truth is that GSW was trying to add on bells and whistles onto an already packed supercar and these additions just added on weight that slowed it down. Advanced stats also confirmed this a long time ago but nobody wanted to take notice.

ARe GSW worse with KD? NO, as no team is worse with the addition of that type of talent. BUt, GSW is indeed better without KD as they can run their system more smoothly.
05-21-2019 06:14 PM
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I think this leaves gsw in good shape for when Durant leaves in the off-season. They are likely the 2020 favorites even without Durant.

Other teams will get better as well: Denver, Portland, the Clippers, bucks, 76ers, Celtics will all be contending, and we are going to see a lot of talent potentially find new teams in one of the best free agent classes in years

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Yikes. Too late to edit huh
05-21-2019 09:32 PM
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(05-21-2019 09:32 PM)Repo Wrote:  Yikes. Too late to edit huh

To be fair, I think everyone doubted GS without KD. But they showed up, especially Curry and Green.

My only criticisms of the team right now is Thompson is laying too many bricks and Curry is a little careless with the ball.
05-21-2019 09:54 PM
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I think he was talking about his “bucks in 5” prediction. The raptors are legit, they pulled out all the stops to try to win now bringing in Leonard and Gasol and it seems to have worked ( they may not win another game this year and they will still have had far and away their best season)

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^^ Yup. Raptors put the clamps on everyone tonight
05-21-2019 11:10 PM
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Biggest thing about being a Raptors fan is that we dropped one game in Milwaukee that we had in the bag after collapsing in the 4th quarter. If we were up 3-1 going back to Milwaukee the Bucks would be sweating as a wreak.

The Bucks system works well, when it does. But, they have shown they don't have many counters when things aren't going as planned. Both Middleton band Giannis played good games and getting buckets for their team but the help and bench collapsed and they got lazy on defence as when the Raptors started getting shits down they started to do lots of foggy mistakes in over helping thsr lead to many more great Raptors looks.

For the Raptors we need to rebound and stay aggressive in pushing the pace. I hope these two games provide s confidence boost for our bench. Game 5 is critical as I believe if we can take that one on the road we can come back to Toronto and close out. Thursday is extremely important.

Also, I'm happy for Norman Powell as he has found his game and is showing a large level of confidence out there, he is growing and showing a level of hunger that his teammates are feeding off of.
05-21-2019 11:44 PM
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The bucks were making the sorts of mistakes that you just can't make at this level: shot clock violations, illegal defense technical fouls, if they don't get their fundamentals together, then forget it, you can't just give possessions and points away over stupid stuff like that. They will of course try to make adjustments before game 5.

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That was probably the best game the Raptors have played this playoffs so far. They now have to bring this game on the road with them. Fiserv is a tough spot for opponents. I could see this one going 7 now.
05-22-2019 06:17 PM
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(05-21-2019 11:58 PM)eradicator Wrote:  The bucks were making the sorts of mistakes that you just can't make at this level: shot clock violations, illegal defense technical fouls, if they don't get their fundamentals together, then forget it, you can't just give possessions and points away over stupid stuff like that. They will of course try to make adjustments before game 5.

This is what I'm getting at with them living and dying by thier system. When it works they are dominant, if not they don't know what to do and start to make dumb mistakes often.

The Bucks have had it easy all playoffs and this may be Infact the first time they have faced any adversity. Raptors had to slog through a grinder with Philly and have a roster filled with Vets who have gone deep or have rings. Bucks have George Hill and that is it. Tommrow with game 5 will be huge for both teams.

I firmly believe if the Bucks drop game 5 they will fold. As good as Giannis is he is still surrounded by a bunch of random role players who do their role we but can't do much else. I'd only trust Brogden, Hill, and Middleton in a tight game. Plus, the issue with Hill and Brogden is you can't really play them at the same time.

But again, if the Bucks find thier stride and find it early or can be an avalanche that is difficult to contain. So all this translates to a very big game that should be very entertaining and I expect it will be tight and close throughout.
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Why the hell was Drake allowed to run around the side of the court, onto the court, make gestures at players, he was a mascot for the Raptors,

At one point he was taunting Giannis for missing a free throw and the announcer was saying 'look at Drake, I love it!"

Wtf. Not even Jack Nicholson was that involved.

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(05-22-2019 10:25 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Why the hell was Drake allowed to run around the side of the court, onto the court, make gestures at players, he was a mascot for the Raptors,

At one point he was taunting Giannis for missing a free throw and the announcer was saying 'look at Drake, I love it!"

Wtf. Not even Jack Nicholson was that involved.

It could be that it is that it is obvious who Drake or any celebrity is, if a Ref attempts to discipline or throw out a celebrity it would then the game into a circus. The NBA has its back channels where it will discipline or give warnings to teams away from the public eye. I know this because a drinking buddy of mine got the Raptors fined $15K for a security breach when he found a way to sneak into a lockeroom and try and get Kobe's autograph. Nothing was said in the media but word leaked that the NBA fined the team on that specific incident.

So the team could have been fined, nobody would ever know unless it got leaked. Drake is an attention before but he does it because she knows the cameras keep giving him Facetime. If TNT ignored him I think his antics would be more subdued.
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No disrespect to any Bucks fan, but the raptors SHOULD win this series. They have (in my opinion) the better roster with Lowry, Ibaka, Gasol, Siakam to aid Kawhi. Basically all of those guys outside of Ibaka have either been all-stars, are currently all-stars, or are pretty much locks for next year (Siakam). Not to mention the fact that the raptors have had finals expectations for like 6 years now lol.

So on paper, this should be a win for the raptors given the playoff experience. However, the bucks are very well coached and have home court advantage so in reality it would be tough for the raps to win this series at this point. They needed game 1.

If this team lost to the sixers in the conference finals, I wouldn't be mad - Butler, Embiid, Harris and Simmons are big-time. Losing to Brogdon, Mirotic, Ilyasova, Lopez and Bledsoe will sting for a looong time.
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Giannis in Milwaukee is killing the ratings

NBA IMO should shift to a MLB less revenue sharing/hard cap and let the big markets eat.

Ratings are better when the bigger markets are healthy. The nature of the game doesn’t allow for parity.
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One thing I found interesting these playoffs is how big leads don’t mean anything anymore. GS came back several times with big deficits at halftime.

I think a lot of that has to do with 3 pointers and how quickly you can erase a big lead. I was watching the last Bucks Raptors game and at one point I counted like 8 consecutive 3s. Even centers are shooting behind the arc now. Not sure if this is a good or bad trend, but it’s changed the game a lot.
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(05-23-2019 01:06 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  One thing I found interesting these playoffs is how big leads don’t mean anything anymore. GS came back several times with big deficits at halftime.

I think a lot of that has to do with 3 pointers and how quickly you can erase a big lead. I was watching the last Bucks Raptors game and at one point I counted like 8 consecutive 3s. Even centers are shooting behind the arc now. Not sure if this is a good or bad trend, but it’s changed the game a lot.

Yup, the raptors were up by 15 - 20 and the head coach didn't sub out the starters until there were like 3 minutes left in the game. These days, most (good) teams can evaporate a 20 point lead in less than 6 minutes, which is kind of crazy when you think about it.

It's mostly because of 3 pointers, but also because the pace of play is so much faster. The game has very much become all about fast-breaks, shooting 3's, or getting to the free throw line. Everything else is slowly becoming obsolete.
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(05-23-2019 12:57 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  Giannis in Milwaukee is killing the ratings

NBA IMO should shift to a MLB less revenue sharing/hard cap and let the big markets eat.

Ratings are better when the bigger markets are healthy. The nature of the game doesn’t allow for parity.

This is silly. LeBron had no trouble being a ratings draw playing in dumpy Cleveland. "NBA MEDIA" makes it a thing to cry about big and small markets when in 2019 with the power of the digital age it has become less important. NBA more than any league sells the individual star and it do not matter the team or city than it does the way age of the star.

TV and crappy NBA Media have themselves to blame as they falated and circle jerked teams such as the Sixers and Boston all year long to the point, already crowming either the East bestbefore they achieved anything , both wildly admit they fell victim to drama and hype as both teams were dumpster fires of drama all year.

Giannas main problem is that he isn't American and didn't have the local quirks down or the language down 100%. He's out there but not as much as he could be and this is largely by choice. You have to do more than Hulu commercials.

TV ratings get a modest bump for large markets. Eastern Playoffs had NYC, Boston, Philly and ratings still slipped. It isn't just about market size.

Market size matters for sponsors and corporate base to engage for premium accounts.

Small market teams largely suffer from bad ownership more than anything and they do struggle to attack free agents. But they also suffer from "middle syndrome" where if they are well run and competitive they will be consistent and do well but be one star away from making that big leap. The Indiana Pacers for example have been the most consistent and successful franchise over the last 30 years by wins and losses, but due to alwaya being good enough to be a 3-6 seed they routinely never get lottery draft picks and thus rarely get that transcendent star. This is the exact opposite to cappy run teams who get lots of lottery picks but can't develop them or mess up getting good talent around them.
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@kosko - LeBron was a generational player, so I’m not sure using him in particular proves anything. Yes, bigger markets outdraw smaller ones, and it’s healthier for the league when they are doing well.

Since Giannis is not a broad marketed generational player like LeBron, it will be a terrible ratings hit for the league until he’s in a better market, or a hell of a lot more marketable. Even if he was more marketable, it hurts both locally and nationally for him to be in a market like that

Zion to New Orleans was terrible for the league

And IMO it helps for baseball in terms of ratings and marketability that they have bigger markets going deeper into the playoffs and doing well.
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