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(05-21-2019 06:14 PM)kosko Wrote:  The truth is that GSW was trying to add on bells and whistles onto an already packed supercar and these additions just added on weight that slowed it down. Advanced stats also confirmed this a long time ago but nobody wanted to take notice.

That and also because Curry gets more shots without KD.
If you look at KD on/off stats for GS when Curry is playing, it is shockingly almost +/- 0. Meaning that while Curry is playing, KD's net effect on how the Dubs do is close to zero, so it doesn't even matter if he's playing or not. That's pretty crazy.

The reverse (KD playing with Curry on/off) is something like -10 pts when KD is playing and Curry is not.
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Wow props to the Raptors. Will Durant come back this postseason? Do the warriors win anyways even with no Durant?

I guess the warriors stick Iguodala on Leonard and don’t double team.

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26-3 run takes out the Bucks. Bucks weren't playing great in the middle quarters, though still had a lead. 4Q, Raptors got going.

Hard to build around a C and win a title in today's NBA.

Nov. 29th, 2018 - Warriors @ Raptors 128-131 (OT) Raptors W
Curry, Draymond, Cousins, DNP
Durant 51 pts, Kawai 37pts.
At home against a Warriors team starting Quinn Cook and Damian Jones, game went to OT because Durant hit 2 3's in the final minute.

Dec. 12th, 2018 - Raptors @ Warriors 113-93 Raptors W
Kawai DNP. Cousins, Iguodala, DNP
Raptors went a 18-2 run with Draymond (2nd game back, missed 11 games) foul trouble on the bench, later, a 16-4 run.
Klay 0-5 3P. Jerebko was bad, but Curry had one of his worst nights offensively (3-12 FG), as did Draymond.
Lowry 23 - 5 - 12, Cook and Livingston couldn't stop him.


From these two games:
Kawai/Durant cancel each other out.
Kyle Lowry was better in both games than Klay Thompson.
Siakam/Ibaka/Green/VanVleet > Cook/Jerebko/Looney/Livingston.
Raptors had JV in these games, they traded him to Memphis for Marc Gasol.


Warriors are 34-4 when Durant does not play but Curry does (last 32 G:31-1)

They don't need Durant to win this series.
Kawai and Lowry will keep the games close.
They can steal a win: guys like VanVleet, Green, Gasol, Siakam stepping up.
Perhaps 2 games if Curry and Klay's shots don't fall.

It will be a lot closer than people think. Raps are a healthier and therefore deeper team right now with home-court advantage.
But they need a lot to go in their favour to win. Foul trouble and poor shooting nights can make this a six or even seven game series.
This would easily be over in 4 or 5 if the Warriors were healthy and not on their 5th straight year playing in June.
All that being said, I think Curry gets his first Finals MVP award.
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Bucks ran into a wall (literally) when there system broke down. Raptors put a wrench in their Giannis rush and kickout system and the Bucks couldn't recover or adapt quick enough. Raptors forced Buck role players to make plays and they couldn't get enough consitsistancy to keep runs and leads going. Middleton had to always be the second best player on the Bucks, Broaden and Hill played well but you couldn't play them both at the same time really as they occupy the same space on the floor. Bucks eventually ran out of steam as a more talented and hungry roster ground then down.

I was nervous for last night as Toronto teams seemed to choke quite often. But, even while we were down 18 at one point I was never dismaid into thing we would take the L. We would inch back close and have stretches of suffocating defence and I knew eventually the Bucks would come back down to earth and we would take advantage. The last stretch of the last 10 minutes Toronto was just more aggressive and did the little gritty and scrappy things to bring it home. Van Fleet and Powell as role players hit down their shits with no hesitation, Gasoline while being nonexistent all game came up big with some huge shots, Ibaka came up big in the forth, Lowry made gritty hustle plays, and Kawahi was the best player on the floor when it matters the most, complete team ball.
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I love the defense in that series.

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(05-25-2019 11:10 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Wow props to the Raptors. Will Durant come back this postseason? Do the warriors win anyways even with no Durant?

I guess the warriors stick Iguodala on Leonard and don’t double team.

Iguodala, as good as a defender he is, doesn`t have much for Leonard. Kawhi is the best player in the world.
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Not saying the spurs would have won over 7 games but the world got robbed of an amazing series over that injury. That still pisses me off.
Since then Kawhi got better and Iguodala got older. They better be ready with the help defense because neither Klay dray nor iggy can stop kawhi on their own.
It`s still GSW in 6 though and i agree with the Curry FMVP prediction.
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Congrats to the Raptors 1st NBA Finals title.

I see them losing to the Warriors 4-2 tho
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^^^ Fuck Drake though, he's an attention seeker. He isn't a steady fan, in the tougher years with DeRozan he would show up half way through the 2nd quarter, then smoke weed with his homies from halftime until into the 3rd sometimes. He's there for the publicity and his 800,000 diamond jacket they gave him. I say this as a 5 year season ticket holder, prior to this year. Too much travel and other life priorities to keep it going.

Impressions on the Game:
- Raps came out loose and confident, I liked that
- I thought Curry was off, he scored 30 points but felt invisible at times.
- GSU didn't shoot the ball well, Raps D was also very good at times.
- Lots of bad transition Defense on both sides
- The raps had a horse shoe up there but at times, a couple of shots went down that were pretty lucky
- The refs didn't seem to have a conspiracy against the raps, honestly as a Canadian this can feel pretty real at times. (I'm not saying previous raps squads didn't freeze up and shit the bed in the playoffs.
- Kawhi was on fire, its nice to see another guy help out Kawhi who had a very Kawhiy-et game

Big Win! If Raps can take 1 of the next 3 then they will have home court in a 3 game serious. (always thinking conservatively)

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(10-13-2018 03:36 PM)Repo Wrote:  If the Raptors make the finals that will only be a testament to how bad the East is rather than how good the Raptors are. Unless they sign another big name superstar they have no chance winning the finals against the Warriors, Rockets, or even the Lakers.

**Edit** I take that back. There is no way the Raptors beat the Celtics. And assuming no injuries I think the Celtics could take the Warriors to 6 or even 7 games. The Warriors bench is weak as fuck right now. They will be less dominant than last year, and they only even made the finals because of the CP3 injury.

I had to dig this one up from the fall. @Repo give us an updated opinion on the finals

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If the Raptors can take game two (which they certainly can) then I think they can steal game 3 at GS. They put a hurting on them when they played them at GS during the season. They will go into game three knowing that and riding high off taking the first two games an have a real shot at winning the series. I hope they do.... I wonder if #2 stays in Toronto if they win it all this year

Plus Andre Iguodala might be hurt again... with him and KD out the Raptors chances are greatly improved

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Ha I know nothing. I dont know, Warriors in 7? I give up on predictions.
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I don't want the Warriors injuries to cheapen a great Raptors performance. Warriors were lazy and left Stephen and Klay alone with no help. The lazy game plan to obsess over Kawahi absolutely cooked them as Pascal got in rhythm early and couldn't be stopped. Raptors played an almost complete game aside from rebounds which got leaky now and then. Aside from the rebound issue a dominating performance. Home court helped big time to relax our role players and now there is no doubt they can compete on this stage.
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(05-30-2019 10:48 PM)Kish Wrote:  

I do want to see 6 win but Drake has steph and KD's number tatted on his arm. Cuck move.
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Something I saw last night was a lot of empty seats........... pretty telling considering it was game one of the NBA Finals

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(05-31-2019 10:51 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Something I saw last night was a lot of empty seats........... pretty telling considering it was game one of the NBA Finals

The seats in view on TV are large all the "Executive" seats. These seats are attached to sub-level luxury suites (or "Bunker suites") and/or a Platinum Club. Usually what happens is before games, between quarters, and halftime, those seats retreat back to their suites or the club section to eat, drink and mingle and take their time coming back out.

That is why it gives the illusion the arena is empty on TV.

There is a story behind this...

When the arena was being constructed it was just supposed to be a basketball-only arena for the Raptors. Already a quarter way into construction the Maple Leafs essentially bought the Raptors and decided they wanted to share the arena as well (the Leafs had plans to build their own new arena separate but plans fell through). Design changes took place late in the game and due to the tight footprint of the Arena they had to basically, rip out the floor and dig down to get enough space to fit an NHL hockey rink and extra locker rooms. After doing this it created lots of dead space on the sub-level and the owners devised a plan to turn the dead space into "Bunker suites". These suites look like any other, but they have no windows, and you have to enter in through the sub-level to get to them; they are the basement apartments of luxury boxes. What the owners did was connect it to great suites and offered high-quality food and drink in tandem and they all sold out.
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Yeah there's no way there would have been any empty seats there last night. There were probably another few thousand standing outside watching the game. That's one thing, Toronto is a good sports town, they support all of their teams well, even when they're not so good. Great win last night. Raptors played some great D and got physical with GS, with Gasol pounding the ball down low. Can't wait for game 2.
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(05-31-2019 11:37 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  Yeah there's no way there would have been any empty seats there last night. There were probably another few thousand standing outside watching the game. That's one thing, Toronto is a good sports town, they support all of their teams well, even when they're not so good. Great win last night. Raptors played some great D and got physical with GS, with Gasol pounding the ball down low. Can't wait for game 2.

I heard that ringside seats were selling for $33, 000.

It's become a political issue. The previous Liberal government was going to pass a bill that limited the resale price of tickets (not just for Raptors games) to one and a half times the face value. The incoming Conservative government scrapped that bill. Now prices are exorbitantly high.

Even though I'm a Torontonian, I couldn't give a shit who wins. Drake annoys the hell out of me, as does that Sikh fellow who's all in the news. If he really wanted to do charitable work, instead of paying for kids to go see the Raptors, the money could be better spent on other stuff. It's really all about him.

I don't want to be like the Grinch who stole Christmas, but growing up in Toronto, basketball was never even on the radar. This enthusiasm for the Raptors just shows how "diverse" we have become. It just exemplifies how foreign my own hometown has become.
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(05-31-2019 06:49 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  I don't want to be like the Grinch who stole Christmas, but growing up in Toronto, basketball was never even on the radar.

Basketball wasn't popular in Toronto even with Vince Carter there? He's one of the greatest dunkers ever.
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(05-31-2019 07:30 PM)Kish Wrote:  
(05-31-2019 06:49 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  I don't want to be like the Grinch who stole Christmas, but growing up in Toronto, basketball was never even on the radar.

Basketball wasn't popular in Toronto even with Vince Carter there? He's one of the greatest dunkers ever.

No, it really wasn't, even then. It was more of a curiosity than anything back in the day. I almost feel like basketball was forced on us, so we could showcase what a diverse city we were. None of us grew up with it. We all played hockey, basketball was pretty boring to us.
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(05-31-2019 06:49 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  
(05-31-2019 11:37 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  Yeah there's no way there would have been any empty seats there last night. There were probably another few thousand standing outside watching the game. That's one thing, Toronto is a good sports town, they support all of their teams well, even when they're not so good. Great win last night. Raptors played some great D and got physical with GS, with Gasol pounding the ball down low. Can't wait for game 2.

I heard that ringside seats were selling for $33, 000.

It's become a political issue. The previous Liberal government was going to pass a bill that limited the resale price of tickets (not just for Raptors games) to one and a half times the face value. The incoming Conservative government scrapped that bill. Now prices are exorbitantly high.

Even though I'm a Torontonian, I couldn't give a shit who wins. Drake annoys the hell out of me, as does that Sikh fellow who's all in the news. If he really wanted to do charitable work, instead of paying for kids to go see the Raptors, the money could be better spent on other stuff. It's really all about him.

I don't want to be like the Grinch who stole Christmas, but growing up in Toronto, basketball was never even on the radar. This enthusiasm for the Raptors just shows how "diverse" we have become. It just exemplifies how foreign my own hometown has become.

Look, the Leafs will always be no 1 in Toronto, undeservedly so given how horribly managed they've been over the last 50 years but the Raptors became popular once Vince Carter came along and their popularity has been growing ever since. Helps that the Raptors have been well managed over the years as well. You have guys coming out of Toronto high schools now that are going on to play NCAA and the NBA and that's because of the Raptors. This from a town that produces about 30% of all of the players in the NHL.

With all due respect Brother Abdul, I think it's a bit unfair to attribute the Raptor's popularity to diversity. Basketball was huge in Utah during the Malone/Stockton years and it's huge in Oklahoma City, both places not being as "diverse" as Toronto. People love winners and winning teams. Makes them feel good about their communities, nothing wrong with that.

I agree that Drake sucks ass and that Sikh guy waving the towel behind the basket is irritating as hell. It's still better than enduring another Gay Bay area championship from a team that ushered in the era of 3 point shooting pussy ball.
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There is a diversity link and hockey has itself to blame. Too damn expensive to play as a kid, too damn expensive to buy Leafs tickets. Hockey has done a damn good job in making it hard to access and because of this kids grow up attaching themselves to something else. Basketball has its core group of crazed passionate fans but they did indeed start from the Vince Carter era. Vince was the biggest star in the league for a short window and he took the city by storm during his heights.

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In regard to tickets who cares, NBA Finals is a spectacle for the 1% to see live. Even before resale prices nosebleed seats were selling for $350 bucks, outrageous. Those prices are not for the common man, only diehards and wealthy people will pay that.
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I've been to a few world series games, they were nosebleed, and totally worth paying a few hundred dollars for. If you like hoops, and your team, in this case, the Raptors, are in the finals, go ahead and pay the 350 dollars because it could easily be the last time you see them in the finals in your lifetime.

edit, the warriors will likely be back in the finals next year assuming they keep Klay Thompson, they will still have Iguodala, Green, Curry and a mid level exception.

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