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I actually watched the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's (CBC) 5-6 hour coverage of the Toronto Raptor's victory parade on Monday. They estimated that well over two million people attended the parade. They even interviewed people who traveled from other countries just to be a part of the celebration.

I didn't realize how popular basketball was there. My take from the parade was that it was not only a win for the city of Toronto but for the entire country of Canada. Even the Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, attended the parade. We are also starting to see more Canadian born guys play pro ball.

With that being stated, I was wondering whether the NBA would consider expanding back into Canada (Vancouver, Ottawa or any large city)?
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Yeah I was amazed how the whole country celebrated this win.

Trudeau is Mr PR, so of course he showed his face and gave some dumb speech.

A couple of young guys I know went to the parade, said there were tons of young slews.

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(06-20-2019 11:41 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  ^
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The Warriors were exactly like this for 30 years, signing away or passing on people who go and become winners and superstars other places, and keeping people who flamed out or didn't do what it said on the box.

There is a stellar article in Grantland about it:

How to annoy a fan base in 60 easy steps

People they passed on or traded away:

Robert Parish, Gus Williams Jamaal Wilkes.

Passed on Larry Bird in the draft for Purvis Short. Passed on Kevin McHale for JB (Just Breathing) Carroll.

That's right. Passed on four of the starters for the Celtics championship team of the 80's.

Traded away Bernard King.

Passed on Clyde Drexler in draft, Dale Ellis too.

(I am leaving out all the drug addicts and burnouts they picked up for all the stars they rejected.)

Passed on Gary Payton in draft.

Got rid of Mitch Richmond.

Passed on Penny Hardaway.

Got rid of assistant coach Gregg Popovich.

Felt they hadn't given enough to New York so gave them Latrell Sprewell.

Gave away Chris Webber to some team or other.

Picked some dude you don't know over Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace, and Kevin Garnett.

I am only at the 24th bonehead thing they did in that article. If you want to get to 60, read the article.



Then out of the blue they win championships.

I don't think they passed on Penny Hardaway, I think they traded him for Chris Webber.


If you’re scoring at home: Penny Hardaway + 3 first round picks> Chris Webber > Tom Gugliotta > Donyell Marshall > Danny Fortson.

This series of moves crippled the warriors for about a decade.

The Lacob ownership group to their credit has turned the franchise around but it is likely on the verge of being done in by injuries. Let's see what they actually do this offseason. Maybe they dump the plan to sign Durant and Klay Thompson long term and go after Kawhi Leonard and try to win championships with Leonard, Curry and Draymond Green?


Signing injured players long term is just stupid stupid stupid. Who knows when Klay and Durant will be back and if they will be able to perform at a similar level? and Durant may just surprise everyone and sign the $30 Million player option on his current contract and sit out the next year rehabbing.


And no, I don't think that having Durant means the warriors automatically steamroll the raptors. The warriors had Durant and Klay and had 2 close series with the Clippers and Rockets. The Raptors were legit and had a decent shot at beating a healthy warriors team, but injuries are a part of the game and that hurt the warriors chances in 2019, there is always another year though.

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Thanks for reminding me of that article debeguiled - I remember reading that 7 years ago, when Grantland was great before it became the disappointing soy-full, "The Ringer".

The Warriors history if full of ineptitude with draft picks and contracts, drugs, players leaving in free agency, and blowing up the team after every promising season.

Guys they had in the 80’s were very good players with coke problems (King, Richardson, Washburn, Lucas) or left via free agency (Gus Williams/ Jamaal Wilkes).

Stupid decisions like Purvis/JBC/Cross over Bird/Parish/Drexler didn’t help.

They had the exciting TMC era, then blew that up because they thought they were a Billy Owens away from contending.

Getting Alton Lister for what ended up being Gary Payton followed by trading for Chris Webber, wanted out after one year and an over-pay gamble that ruined them for the decade.

Joe Smith 1st overall (justifiable?), Todd Fuller at 11, and an Adonal Foyle overpay later results in a team good enough to win a few games but never to enter full tanking mode, and when which meant spending all their cap on players that kept them good (Dampier, Biedrins), but never good enough to win in the draft or in the standings.

When they tried to get better they blew up the team 4 times after promising seasons (Sleepy Floyd '87, TMC '91, '03 Jamison/Richardson/Arenas, '07 "We Believe")

They always tried to get better, but ended up staying around 20-40 wins for most of a decade ('02-'11): bombing most lottery picks they did have (Diogu, O'Bryant, Udoh, Randolph), okay on a couple (Pietrus, Dunleavy Jr.) and getting one 2nd round steal (Ellis).

Then hitting a grand slam of draft picks: Steph at 7th in 2009, Klay in 2011 at 11th (after a 36 win season), then Draymond at 35th in 2012 - (3rd player they drafted in '12 after Harrison Barnes 7th, Festus Ezeli 30th)

5 straight finals and 3 championships.
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If I recall, the Raptors were the only playoff team that has a full rotation of plus defenders, only team also with a full rotation with 3 point range. The only for for the Raptors was Philly as thier length stimed the Raptors offensive flow.

Golden State was a paper dragon all playoffs as thier lack of depth would come back to haunt them. The big 3 showed in previous rounds to be suspects as they can always get buckets but they can't all fix all of GSW defensive holes from lack of size and depth.

GSW can still compete next year but it will cost them as Stephen will have to be ran into the ground all season to carry that team to a 4th/5th seed. Denver and Portland will be tops of the West and depending if Houston can run it back they will be 2nd/3rd. Both LA teams range from 5th to 7th. Spurs and or Kings round it out.
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Wow. Kemba walker to Boston, Kyrie Irving and Durant to the Nets, gsw trades Iguodala and 3 first round picks and Durant for D Angelo Russell.

Kawhi Leonard leaning towards the Lakers, or maybe the clippers or Raptors.

A lot of good role players are no longer available either. Rudy Gay stays with the spurs.

I’m curious where Kawhi winds up. If the Lakers get him they have to be considered the favorites to win it all. The warriors will still be there and some other teams as well. The nets took a big step up, they may not contend in 2020 but the next few years should should be right in the mix with a healthy Durant and Irving.

The bucks will still be good as well.

I feel bad for knicks fans, sort of.

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Same procedure as every year.

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Maaaaan if Kyrie Irving and Durant would have went to the Knicks instead of the Nets and Boston picked up a few more stars... it could be really cool for the NBA when the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks were all competitive again

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Knicks: Dennis Smith Jr, R.J. Barrett, Kevin Knox, Julius Randle, Mitchell Robinson
- Bench: Reggie Bullock, Wayne Ellington, Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson
(DeMarcus Cousins, Vince Carter?)

Celtics: Kemba Walker, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Semi Ojeleye, Robert Williams
- Bench: Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart, Romeo Langford
(Enes Kanter?)

Lakers: Issac Bonga, Kyle Kuzma , Lebron James, Moritz Wagner, Anthony Davis
(Isaiah Thomas, Kawai Leonard, Jabari Parker, Enes Kanter?)

Durant/Irving to Knicks would have been huge for Knicks - poor fans are stuck with terrible ownership/management.

I liked the New Jersey Nets - Brooklyn and Jay-Z's Nets, don't care for - they're likely winning the East in 2021.

D'Angelo Russel - Steph Curry - Klay Thompson - Draymond Green: Warriors will still contend next year

....unless Kawai goes to the Lakers, then they're the champs.
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(07-01-2019 12:43 PM)Jones Wrote:  Knicks: Dennis Smith Jr, R.J. Barrett, Kevin Knox, Julius Randle, Mitchell Robinson
- Bench: Reggie Bullock, Wayne Ellington, Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson
(DeMarcus Cousins, Vince Carter?)

Celtics: Kemba Walker, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Semi Ojeleye, Robert Williams
- Bench: Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart, Romeo Langford
(Enes Kanter?)

Lakers: Issac Bonga, Kyle Kuzma , Lebron James, Moritz Wagner, Anthony Davis
(Isaiah Thomas, Kawai Leonard, Jabari Parker, Enes Kanter?)

Durant/Irving to Knicks would have been huge for Knicks - poor fans are stuck with terrible ownership/management.

I liked the New Jersey Nets - Brooklyn and Jay-Z's Nets, don't care for - they're likely winning the East in 2021.

D'Angelo Russel - Steph Curry - Klay Thompson - Draymond Green: Warriors will still contend next year

....unless Kawai goes to the Lakers, then they're the champs.

The only way Kawahi goes to Lakers is if they pitch him right....

"Hey..if you come here..you'll get more than enough minutes restrictions, healthy scratches, etc that will extend your career by another 3-4 years where you can continue to earn big contracts & keep ringing in those endorsements all while being in your hometown..."

For a guy who has nothing to prove being Finals MVP twice with different teams dethroning two different dynasties...I could see how the Lakers choice would make sense for him...

(would rather not see it happen though)

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He cares about winning and his health more than chasing regular season awards - the regular season is too long and too gruelling as is as evidenced by Klay and KD's injuries

I'm watching Game 7 2016 Finals and Golden State had nothing left in the tank, going scoreless in the last 4:40, getting outworked on the boards, beaten up in the paint, taking bad shots, not capitalizing on fast breaks - they breaking the 72-10 record and it cost them - Draymond kept them in that game.

If he does do that, "minutes restrictions, healthy scratches, etc that will extend your career by another 3-4 years where you can continue to earn big contracts & keep ringing in those endorsements all while being in your hometown"

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(07-01-2019 12:43 PM)Jones Wrote:  Knicks: Dennis Smith Jr, R.J. Barrett, Kevin Knox, Julius Randle, Mitchell Robinson
- Bench: Reggie Bullock, Wayne Ellington, Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson
(DeMarcus Cousins, Vince Carter?)

Kanter went to the Celtics.

I don't get what the knicks are up to, they sign about 7 good role players to one year deals with club options for a second year. This was one of the better free agency years we have had in the past decade. Next year they might try to get Draymond Green, he is about the only star player hitting free agency. Giannis Antetokounmpo becomes a restricted free agent the following year but I have to think the bucks will give him a 5 year max contract, why would he go to the bricks for fewer years/dollars?



I guess the knicks plan is this: Tank. Get a top 5 lottery pick. Pray that RJ Barrett and the next years lottery pick become all stars and are willing to sign long term with the Bricks. Surround them with decent to good role players.

God I'm glad I'm not a knicks fan

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And it's not like they can trade any of those players for 1st round picks, or be able to take on expiring contracts from another team. They signed a bunch of scrubs just to field a team and tank. I'd stop spending money on games altogether as a Knicks fan at this point.

I've even heard Canadian sports media say if if Kawai stays in Toronto, they go after Giannis in 2020.
He's already singed his first big contract (2016: 4yr, $100 mil) to stay in 2016, like Durant in OKC (2010: 5yr, $86 mil), John Wall (2013: 5yr, $80 mil) in Washington.

I think/hope that he leaves. I like the Bucks, but there's too many teams in the NBA - 23 NBA teams in 80's was perfect amount.

Knicks got Carmelo because his wife wanted to move to NY. Dolan is trash.

Unless a player grew up a Knicks fan, or the NBA finally says enough is enough and gives the Knicks their first overall pick since 1985 (Patrick Ewing).

Updated Lakers roster:

Lakers: Talen Horton-Tucker, Kyle Kuzma, Lebron James, Jared Dudley, Anthony Davis

Lakers Free Agents: Rajon Rondo, Tyson Chandler, Lance Stephenson, JaVale McGee (Rockets?)

(Kawai Leonard? Danny Green? Jabari Parker?)
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There was is no way Giannis takes an $80 million pay cut to simply leave the bucks for the bricks or raptors or lakers(or any team with cap room). He can sign a 5 year supermax contract with the bucks at the end of 2021, the bucks will surely offer him that and he’d be nuts to turn it down.

Though I suppose Durant did exactly that to join the warriors

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So I am hearing (from probably bullshit press) that the pitch of the Lakers to Kawaii went something like:

If you go to LA, then you will be marketed as the future of the franchise right away. In two years, Lebron is out. He will leave to go play with Bronny Jr. From then on, you will still have AD as your teammate and you will be the face of the Laker franchise.

If that's truly the pitch (and it's probably bullshit), then that pitch would scare me shitless if I was Kawaii.

I bet Kawaii thinks that he is a better player than lebron today. He beat Lebron in his prime, & beats prime Lebron twice if the refs call a head down shoulder tackle takedown at the end of the game a foul. Today's Lebron is visibly older than that Lebron.

Why would Kawaii come to LA to be Lebron's third banana? Ask yourself: who should have the ball at the end of the game, prime Kawaii or the old Lebron who settles for jump shots?

Then any promises of what can happen to the Lakers in 3 years are worthless, because LeGM will strip mine the organization of any future asset it might get (and he just told you that he doesn't care about the Lakers franchise after the next two years). Besides, it's coincidentally most valuable for Kawaii to take a 2 year contract on this deal anyways (that will qualify him for a higher max contract). He can join then if he really wants.
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Yikes, the Clippers get Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sour...40600.html

That arguably makes them at the top of the Western Conference along with the Lakers, Jazz, Warriors, Rockets, Nuggets. The Lakers got Danny Green, 2 years 30 million dollars.

The Bucks, Celtics, 76ers and Nets all look solid in the East. But wow, the Clippers are about to be good in the West, and could easily win an NBA championship or 2, Clippers are legit.

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(06-16-2019 07:41 PM)kosko Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 07:17 PM)godzilla Wrote:  **RVF EXCLUSIVE**

Inside sources say

Kyrie to New York
Kawhi going to LA

(Clippers and Nets likely but not certain)

This is fake news.

This whole player movement narrative as been created by toxic NBA media. NBA media has speculated there Kawahi is going to the Clippers but the reality is Kawahi has had zero contact with anyone in the organization. Clippers have sent in moles all year long to Toronto to try and engage Kawahi through back channels and be has brushed them off each time.

The reality is what do the Clippers offer outside of being based in southern California? They can't make the Basketball case of being the better team, they can't make the case for money as Toronto can max him the most, they can't make the market angle as the Clippers are the poor ugly cousins of LA sports and Kawahi is about to see his Jersey sell at number one from all of Canada purchasing it, the Clippers can't make the health angle as Kawahi has just had a full year with the best medical staff in the league which got him to 90% of his original health. What can the Clippers offer him? Kawahi will stay in Toronto on a shorter term deal as this current squad has 1-2 yeses left of elite play.

With Kyrie... All the Intel points to him going to LA Lakers to be Levels bottom again. Kyrie ain't about the leadership route snd just wants to get buckets and get fame which he can do with Bron.

Knicks will get KD or Butler.

Kemba will stay.

FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’ve spent one day in Toronto, leaving on the same day as Kawai, and I’d want out of here after a year too! (Kawai laughs)

Saw Lots of NBA champs shirts, one single current player Raptor jersey for sale, Marc Gasol, and his expiering contact could be on the move - pay up for your $329.99 authentic McGrady and Carter jerseys from 1999!

Raps fans are gonna be singing Summer Nights like Travolta and Newton-John. I’ll take those memories over the envitable Paul George broken-leg, Kawai Leonard torn-quad that will happen because, Clippers basketball.

Speaking of injuries, one summer league game and Zion got hurt. Rather see him on a franchise in a deserving basketball city: Seattle, Knicks, Suns(!), Pacers
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Well I’m not going to predict injuries for the clippers, but they will still have to win against 3 good teams in the first 3 rounds against the likes of the Jazz, lakers, warriors rockets, nuggets and then face a loaded Celtics/ 76ers//bucks team in the finals.

If they end up not matching up well with one of those teams they could simply lose

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The Clippers are the best team in the West. Prior to this off-season they took a fully loaded golden state warriors to six games in the 1st round.

Now you add the best player in the league, Kawhi, with PG13 without losing any of your core players. The battle of LA will be nice but the edge goes to the Clippers. They are going to be a top 10 defensive team with the likes of Beverly, PG13, and the Claw.
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Probably top 5 defense.

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I think the NBA just got exciting again for the first time in years. When KD went to the Warriors the NBA was pretty irrelevant cause there were only a few teams that had a chance of making it to the finals. Now there are a handful of teams that can go all the way....

GS is still a threat but they are no where near the favorite they used to be... specially with Klay's injury

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Jerry West is a damn wizard. Best GM ever.
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(07-06-2019 08:32 AM)eradicator Wrote:  Well I’m not going to predict injuries for the clippers, but they will still have to win against 3 good teams in the first 3 rounds against the likes of the Jazz, lakers, warriors rockets, nuggets and then face a loaded Celtics/ 76ers//bucks team in the finals.

If they end up not matching up well with one of those teams they could simply lose

Last time Kawahi got through the West, he had Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Splitter, Diaw, Mills, Green, Belinelli, etc.

Can't discount a Clippers team that overachieved with the rebuilding roster they had but a possible lack of depth & gimpy Paul George within their roster could make it difficult in a more packed Western Conference.

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(07-06-2019 08:32 AM)eradicator Wrote:  Well I’m not going to predict injuries for the clippers, but they will still have to win against 3 good teams in the first 3 rounds against the likes of the Jazz, lakers, warriors rockets, nuggets and then face a loaded Celtics/ 76ers//bucks team in the finals.

If they end up not matching up well with one of those teams they could simply lose

No Eastern Conference team is loaded, especially not the Celtics who got worse this offseason. The Clippers are much better on paper than any Eastern Conference team.
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